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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:23:27 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Missouri-Kansas City
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From bobdoleable at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 17:25:08 2009
From: bobdoleable at gmail.com (Michael Tahmoressi)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:25:08 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
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the only reason why you continue to beat this dead horse is because you
cannot come to terms with the fact that our president is fof a different
race no if you dont want to continue to make enemies and isolate yourself
farther away from people in this community i would suggest you stop posting
this hate speech and start teaching novices how to debate d/as on this forum

i am sick of having this bullshit show up on my edebate feed on gmail nobody
cares strega the war is over for you.

a considered citizen.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  only anneburg saw the hard copy.   scanned internet copies are not
> presentations.   doctoring is more than possible and doctorings are
> explained in the polarik video.
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ
>
> never presented in court which is what dobbs qualifies as dispelling doubts
> and ending the looming constitutional crisis with hundreds of cases in all
> 50 states now against the defendant obama.
>
> never presented to congress like mccain's.    never truly made public just
> like the education records which is frightening as spivak claims.   many
> stories in the autobiography maybe false unless confirmed by overturning
> obama's unprecedented secret protection of his records.
>
> if the short form is not real as polarik claims, presentation in court
> would result in criminality.
>
> there is no logical reason to continue withholding from court and allow for
> skepticism to continue to proliferate.   that's the dobbs innuendo which is
> the forefront of the legal cases.
>
> one terrible consequence of withholding from court is that a reserve was
> not forced to deploy to afghanistan because of his challenge to obama's
> eligibility.     more cases of obama's lack of authority to enforce the law
> will happen if your standards of presentation continue to satisfy the sheep.
>   first soldier ever whose order to deploy was revoked based on contesting
> the eligibility of the "commander-in-chief".    how many more deployment
> orders will be revoked after the recent precedent?
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:34:30 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
>
> Except that it was presented, and re-presented, and re-re-presented,
>
> Or is your argument that Hawaii knew it was coming when they made it and
> the story was in the paper,
>
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  actually dobbs holds strong for the "president" to present his COLB to a
> third party other than anneburg foundation for whom he used to work.
>  looks like congress is moving to have all future presidents present a long
> form birth certificate with doctor and nurse signatures since the
> possibility of a constitutional crisis still haunts the presidency.   the
> obama faithful are engrossed in a hysterical reaction to suppress free
> speech.
>
>
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105345
> Posted: July 28, 2009
> 9:20 pm Eastern
>
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>
>
> Lou Dobbs
>
> After being attacked by groups ranging from the Southern Poverty Law Center
> to Media Matters for relentlessly calling on Barack Obama to prove his
> eligibility for the office of the presidency, CNN's Lou Dobbs wasn't backing
> off on either his syndicated radio or his television program today.
>
> Once again, he renewed his calls for Obama to produce his long-form birth
> certificate that would settle doubts about where he was born and offered
> that the president's actions could actually be "illegal."
>
> Dobbs took on the special-interest groups demanding that CNN shut him up.
>
> "The left is trying to silence their opponents and their competitors in the
> public marketplace of ideas," he said on his radio show. "One issue in which
> the ethnocentric issue groups have been trying to silence me is on the issue
> of illegal immigration. Many of those, if you will, have migrated to me here
> recently because I, even though I said I believe the president is a citizen
> of the United States, I don't understand why he shouldn't produce a birth
> certificate. My God, you're talking about the third rail of American
> journalism, baby! That's it. I'm not going to back off."
>
> *Join in WND's Fedex campaign and tell Obama you don't buy his state-run
> media coverup! <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105225>*
>
> As WND is reporting<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105270>,
> Dobbs has come under fire for having the audacity to question on air why
> Obama hasn't released his long-form birth certificate.
>
>
>  Now members of the Daily Kos <http://www.dailykos.com/> website, which
> bills itself as "the largest progressive community blog in the United
> States," have turned up the heat even more by listing CNN executives'
> email addresses <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105345#> in
> a campaign to get Dobbs fired from the network<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105345#>
> .
>
> "Lou Dobbs is an idiot and he should be booted off CNN for his obsession
> with President Obama's birth certificate," writes Daily Kos diarist
> kerouacforobama <http://kerouacforobama.dailykos.com/>. "We need to get
> these far-right haters off the air."
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:54:36 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
>
>   I have been trying to stay out of this...but the person who replaced Lou
> "hates immigrants" Dobbs last week spent thirty minutes de-bunking the Obama
> birth certificate issue before Dobbs came back and ignored it.
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> despite the freakout over his skepticism about obama's birth certificate,
> lou dobbs will remain @ CNN.  i agree with what lou is saying on TV ---
> obama is an illegal and therefore not qualified to be president according to
> the constitution.   thank god soldiers are contesting the
> "commander-in-chief's" orders to go to afghanistan.   BORN IN KENYA!!!
>
> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-cnnobama25-2009jul25%2C0%2C3939176.story<http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-cnnobama25-2009jul25,0,3939176.story>
>
>  By Matea Gold
> July 25, 2009
>  Reporting from New York -- CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of
> "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Thursday that the controversy regarding the
> legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate -- a topic Dobbs has
> avidly pursued on the air -- is a "dead" story.
>
> But in an interview, the cable news chief left open the possibility that
> Dobbs may continue to raise questions about why the president has not
> produced a long-form birth certificate. The absence of such a record has
> spawned rumors that Obama was not born in the United States, despite plenty
> of evidence to the contrary.
>
> "He's got more than 30 years as a television journalist, and I trust him,
> as I trust all our reporters and anchors, to exercise their judgment as
> various stories evolve," Klein said of Dobbs, whose daily CNN program is a
> mix of news and opinion.
>
>   RELATED
>
>    - [image: CNN President Jon Klein declares Obama birther story 'dead']<http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-st-cnn-joe-klein-obama24july2009,0,5131502.storylink>
>    *STORY: * CNN President Jon Klein declares Obama birther story 'dead'<http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-st-cnn-joe-klein-obama24july2009,0,5131502.storylink>
>    - [image: Lou Dobbs and the canard over President Obama's birth]<http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-onthemedia-dobbs-link,0,874276.storylink>
>    *STORY: * Lou Dobbs and the canard over President Obama's birth<http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-onthemedia-dobbs-link,0,874276.storylink>
>
>    "Certainly if there are future news pegs, then we have to take that
> story as it comes," he added.
>
> That appeared to be a step back from the stance Klein took in his e-mail
> Thursday, in which he wrote that CNN researchers had determined that
> Hawaiian officials discarded paper documents in 2001. Because of that,
> Obama's long-form birth certificate no longer exists and a shorter
> certificate of live birth that has been made public is the official record,
> they reported.
>
> "It seems to definitively answer the question," Klein wrote in the e-mail, first
> reported by the website TVNewser<http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon_klein_on_birthers_it_seems_this_story_is_dead_122546.asp>.
> "Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he
> should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems
> this story is dead -- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't
> really have a legitimate beef."
>
> On Friday, Klein said he was not ordering the staff to drop the story.
>
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From lukephill at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 17:32:23 2009
From: lukephill at gmail.com (Luke Hill)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:32:23 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Looking for judges in the Chicago Area
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From oldstrega at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  1 18:57:46 2009
From: oldstrega at hotmail.com (Old Strega)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:57:46 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
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"dead horse"?    "racism"?
you sound like the CEO of MSNBC's reaction to Lou Dobbs demand for the birth certificate to presented in court.    there is a corporate interest in having a half-black face to create the illusion of change.    not working very well.  obama broke the record for highest disapproval rating of any president in the first 6 months @ 31%.   i know it's solely because of the racist south and rural areas that obama is so unsuccessful.   also, he had a lower approval rating than dubya in his first six months @ 55.1%.
where's the meat on change?  health reform looks like major corporate dilution.   more dead soldiers in afghanistan.  not even pulling out in iraq.     but a half-black man now sells the corporate agenda.   half-black presidents are not beyond reproach.
what exactly is your logical reason why obama keeps his birth certificate more secretly guarded than iran's nuclear program?   why does he not just introduce the short-form as Exhibit A in a court room and dispel the racist mythology forever?  why does he rather spend millions of dollars in legal fees to have the cases dismissed allowing a significant segment of the population to question his legitimacy.   that significant segment now includes many independents, some of whom voted for obama.    this is what the lou dobbs thread represents.  not the racist pandering you project.
since you have no answer in your emotional reaction, i accuse you of pushing for affirmative action regarding the constitution article 4 which could lead us down the slippery slope.    it's not that obama is half-black that it is important that his birth certificate not be forged.   
did your affirmative action keep you from even watching the ron polarik video which demonstrates the photoshop manipulation of the "birth certificate" presented on the internet as the real mccoy?
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:25:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
From: bobdoleable at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: jbhdb8 at gmail.com; edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com

the only reason why you continue to beat this dead horse is because you cannot come to terms with the fact that our president is fof a different race no if you dont want to continue to make enemies and isolate yourself farther away from people in this community i would suggest you stop posting this hate speech and start teaching novices how to debate d/as on this forum


i am sick of having this bullshit show up on my edebate feed on gmail nobody cares strega the war is over for you. 

a considered citizen.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:






only anneburg saw the hard copy.   scanned internet copies are not presentations.   doctoring is more than possible and doctorings are explained in the polarik video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ


never presented in court which is what dobbs qualifies as dispelling doubts and ending the looming constitutional crisis with hundreds of cases in all 50 states now against the defendant obama.

never presented to congress like mccain's.    never truly made public just like the education records which is frightening as spivak claims.   many stories in the autobiography maybe false unless confirmed by overturning obama's unprecedented secret protection of his records. 

if the short form is not real as polarik claims, presentation in court would result in criminality.
there is no logical reason to continue withholding from court and allow for skepticism to continue to proliferate.   that's the dobbs innuendo which is the forefront of the legal cases.

one terrible consequence of withholding from court is that a reserve was not forced to deploy to afghanistan because of his challenge to obama's eligibility.     more cases of obama's lack of authority to enforce the law will happen if your standards of presentation continue to satisfy the sheep.   first soldier ever whose order to deploy was revoked based on contesting the eligibility of the "commander-in-chief".    how many more deployment orders will be revoked after the recent precedent?


Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:34:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com

To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com


Except that it was presented, and re-presented, and re-re-presented,
 
Or is your argument that Hawaii knew it was coming when they made it and the story was in the paper,
 
Josh


On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:



actually dobbs holds strong for the "president" to present his COLB to a third party other than anneburg foundation for whom he used to work.    looks like congress is moving to have all future presidents present a long form birth certificate with doctor and nurse signatures since the possibility of a constitutional crisis still haunts the presidency.   the obama faithful are engrossed in a hysterical reaction to suppress free speech.





http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105345 


Posted: July 28, 2009
9:20 pm Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDaily 







Lou Dobbs



After being attacked by groups ranging from the Southern Poverty Law Center to Media Matters for relentlessly calling on Barack Obama to prove his eligibility for the office of the presidency, CNN's Lou Dobbs wasn't backing off on either his syndicated radio or his television program today.



Once again, he renewed his calls for Obama to produce his long-form birth certificate that would settle doubts about where he was born and offered that the president's actions could actually be "illegal."


Dobbs took on the special-interest groups demanding that CNN shut him up.

"The left is trying to silence their opponents and their competitors in the public marketplace of ideas," he said on his radio show. "One issue in which the ethnocentric issue groups have been trying to silence me is on the issue of illegal immigration. Many of those, if you will, have migrated to me here recently because I, even though I said I believe the president is a citizen of the United States, I don't understand why he shouldn't produce a birth certificate. My God, you're talking about the third rail of American journalism, baby! That's it. I'm not going to back off."


Join in WND's Fedex campaign and tell Obama you don't buy his state-run media coverup!


As WND is reporting, Dobbs has come under fire for having the audacity to question on air why Obama hasn't released his long-form birth certificate.





Now members of the Daily Kos website, which bills itself as "the largest progressive community blog in the United States," have turned up the heat even more by listing CNN executives' email addresses in a campaign to get Dobbs fired from the network.


"Lou Dobbs is an idiot and he should be booted off CNN for his obsession with President Obama's birth certificate," writes Daily Kos diarist kerouacforobama. "We need to get these far-right haters off the air."







Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:54:36 -0500 

Subject: Re: [eDebate] birth certificate goes mainstream: lou dobbs
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com 

CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com





I have been trying to stay out of this...but the person who replaced Lou "hates immigrants" Dobbs last week spent thirty minutes de-bunking the Obama birth certificate issue before Dobbs came back and ignored it.


 
Josh


On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:


despite the freakout over his skepticism about obama's birth certificate, lou dobbs will remain @ CNN.  i agree with what lou is saying on TV --- obama is an illegal and therefore not qualified to be president according to the constitution.   thank god soldiers are contesting the "commander-in-chief's" orders to go to afghanistan.   BORN IN KENYA!!! 


http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-cnnobama25-2009jul25%2C0%2C3939176.story





By Matea Gold 
July 25, 2009

Reporting from New York -- CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Thursday that the controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate -- a topic Dobbs has avidly pursued on the air -- is a "dead" story.



But in an interview, the cable news chief left open the possibility that Dobbs may continue to raise questions about why the president has not produced a long-form birth certificate. The absence of such a record has spawned rumors that Obama was not born in the United States, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.



"He's got more than 30 years as a television journalist, and I trust him, as I trust all our reporters and anchors, to exercise their judgment as various stories evolve," Klein said of Dobbs, whose daily CNN program is a mix of news and opinion.











RELATED



 

STORY:  

CNN President Jon Klein declares Obama birther story 'dead'



 

STORY:  

Lou Dobbs and the canard over President Obama's birth









"Certainly if there are future news pegs, then we have to take that story as it comes," he added. 

That appeared to be a step back from the stance Klein took in his e-mail Thursday, in which he wrote that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded paper documents in 2001. Because of that, Obama's long-form birth certificate no longer exists and a shorter certificate of live birth that has been made public is the official record, they reported.



"It seems to definitively answer the question," Klein wrote in the e-mail, first reported by the website TVNewser. "Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead -- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef."



On Friday, Klein said he was not ordering the staff to drop the story.



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From lukephill at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 19:54:34 2009
From: lukephill at gmail.com (Luke Hill)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:54:34 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Debate Institute Seeks Judges
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The Northwestern Debate Institute is looking for judges for our tournament.
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From oldstrega at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  1 22:05:38 2009
From: oldstrega at hotmail.com (Old Strega)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:05:38 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] fact check's forged obama COLB
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don't look, it's racist.     where's the seal of hawaii?   in 1961, hawaii still registered foreign borns back when their population was more sparse.   just posting the link since there is so much image analysis of what has been presented on fact check as a real birth certificate.
http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/292/

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From sheldonkreger at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 12:43:51 2009
From: sheldonkreger at gmail.com (Sheldon Kreger)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:43:51 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Obama Birth Certificate
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I'm so tired of hearing about this, and it seems that I'm not the only one.

Regardless of whether Obama is an actual citizen of the US - whether his
birth certificate is legitimate or not - it's pretty clear at this point
that we aren't going to get anywhere arguing about it. The dude is the
president, and he's probably going to figure out a way to keep it that way.
The end result has only been division and anger. Take, for example, the
headline on alternet a few days ago, as well as the arguments here on
edebate, saying that "birthers" are just a bunch of "racists." While there
is, certainly, a small percentage of Obama critics who are racist, that does
not justify categorizing all "birthers" as such. In fact, doing so requires
the same line of argumentation that racism does - making unfair generalized
assumptions about a group of people who share one charactaristic. Must we
reduce our argumentation to childish name calling?

For those who are oponents of Obama, continuing to insist on finding his
birth certificate distracts from the real reasons you oppose Obama, such as
the unfullfilled promises of ending the wars in Afgahnistan and Iraq, and
the continued infestation of politics with corporate interests and bankster
agendas. Why continue to bitch about something so trivial as a birth
certificate when there are a katrillion better reasons to call the guy out,
and risk being labeled a racist? I mean, seriously, do you really think
Obama doesn't have the power to just forge a birth certificate, should push
come to shove?

And for those who are convinced that Obama is a citizen, and perhaps are
supporters, find some better (offensive) reasons why a birth certificate
shouldn't be produced. While I think the whole issue is overblown,
counterproductive, and should be dropped, you sound just as idiotic as the
racists you hate on when you imply that Obama shouldn't prove he's a citizen
because he's black, arguing that only racists demand that a black president
prove his citizenship.

Really, I just want to convince people to STFU about this. What a waste of
time.
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From let_the_american_empire_burn at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:21:20 2009
From: let_the_american_empire_burn at hotmail.com (Kevin Sanchez)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:21:20 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] demands to see sarah palin's real high school diploma go
	mainstream
Message-ID: <BLU141-W38C07D3FA1EBF8F6DB9CCD80E0@phx.gbl>


http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2009-August/079258.html
_

a xenophobic distraction.

if obama's approval ratings were 81%, should that make our opposition
to his escalation of the war in afghanistan/pakistan any less strident?
like l.b.j., he risks sacrificing the people's welfare for a protracted and
mission-less military operation that kills tens of thousands of innocent
civilians. snicker all you want about health care, but we're closer than
we've ever been before; f.d.r., truman, kennedy, l.b.j., and clinton all
failed, and a political win here might give the administration the capital
to pass serious climate legislation among other worthy endeavors.

laws matter. yes, of course, we always need to keep our eye on the
fundamental antagonism: obama is a capitalist and an imperialist. that
to me is infinitely more important than whether he was born in kenya.
but, on the other hand, and to upend milton friedman's adage, i have
never met a redistribution of wealth i didn't like. relieving the constant
torment of those living a hand-to-mouth existence will open up further
opportunities for revolutionary change from the bottom-up. things do
not have to get apocalyptically worse before they can get any better;
this is why we should always be able to count on the communists to
fight the fascists and the racists alongside the liberals reformers with
whom we ultimately must part company.

http://therealbillmaher.blogspot.com/2009/07/birthers-must-be-stopped.html

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From oldstrega at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  2 16:58:06 2009
From: oldstrega at hotmail.com (Old Strega)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:58:06 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
Message-ID: <BAY114-W35B852A2BE788609F8C2D5BE0E0@phx.gbl>


dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever known.   
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

BORN IN THE USA?
Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa
Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDailyWASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.
This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
An enlarged view of the bottom of 

Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton."I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate]."I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said."Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.
The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."
WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.Developing ...
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From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 17:30:37 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (stefan.bauschard at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:30:37 +0000
Subject: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W35B852A2BE788609F8C2D5BE0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0016e640cdd0d6599204703033ad@google.com>

the link - This web site at www.orlytaitzesq.com has been reported as an  
attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Maybe the viral blocking is also part of the conspiracy?

On Aug 2, 2009 5:58pm, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her  
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions  
> in court. i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a  
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities. the  
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in  
> american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the  
> world has ever known.

> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764



> BORN IN THE USA?
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate  
> from Africa
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern

> ? 2009 WorldNetDailyWASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has  
> filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility  
> to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a  
> Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in US District  
> Court for its authentication.
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack  
> Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
> The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley  
> Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961,  
> and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast  
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of  
> the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was  
> allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.WND  
> was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of  
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
> An enlarged view of the bottom of




> Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth  
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined  
> to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the  
> obvious traits of a hoax.Taitz told WND that the document came from an  
> anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for  
> his life."Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the US District Court for  
> the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of  
> Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records  
> not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to  
> legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition  
> from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton."I filed the motion with the  
> court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start  
> subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds,"  
> Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena  
> the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from  
> Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth  
> certificate]."I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond,"  
> she said."Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your  
> claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted  
> on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has  
> signatures."


> Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan  
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged  
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in  
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim  
> among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of  
> questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.Taitz told WND  
> she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow,  
> adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.


> The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants  
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,  
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.WND  
> previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the  
> government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for  
> deployment to Afghanistan.WND reported when the case originally was filed  
> that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate  
> commander in chief, the entire US Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel  
> slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."Cook told  
> WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my]  
> duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that  
> said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he  
> is not eligible to be commander in chief."The new complaint says it seeks  
> Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as  
> protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further  
> retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional  
> authority."


> WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as  
> a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1,  
> states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the  
> United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be  
> eligible to the Office of President."Some of the lawsuits question  
> whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out  
> of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young  
> at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under  
> the law at the time.Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship  
> through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United  
> Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The  
> cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from  
> qualifying as natural born.Complicating the situation is Obama's decision  
> to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid  
> releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the  
> questions.WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available  
> for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records,  
> his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his  
> Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review  
> articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his  
> passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois  
> state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism  
> records, and his adoption records.Developing ...

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From jbhdb8 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 19:31:34 2009
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:31:34 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W35B852A2BE788609F8C2D5BE0E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-W35B852A2BE788609F8C2D5BE0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f6ec14bb0908021731i72d9b7dfr8a90b50c98df5cfd@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, eureka, its true, its finally true, the birthers
win....congratulations, it was all white guilt...thank god for you and Orly
Taitz...true Amercian heroes...congratulations!!!!! Seriously.

Josh

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in
> court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american
> history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever
> known.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
>
> *BORN IN THE USA?*
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from
> Africa
> ------------------------------
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern
>
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>
>  WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for
> its authentication. <http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/>
>
>
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>
>  of birth <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> for
> Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
>
> The document lists Obama's parents<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> as
> Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the
> birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> of
> birth as Coast General Hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> in
> Mombasa, Kenya.
>
>
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
>
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the
> deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly
> issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
>
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
>
>
> An enlarged view of the bottom of
>
>  Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>,
> but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by
> Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
>
> Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't
> want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
>
> Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central
> District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ?
> both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be
> preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents
> from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State
> Hillary Clinton.
>
> "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which
> would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the
> government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the
> power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a
> deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the
> birth certificate].
>
> "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
>
> "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz
> explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet
> more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
>
>  Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among
> members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions
> surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
>
> Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida
> court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's
> case.
>
>  The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
>
> WND previously reported<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208> a
> judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked
> his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
>
> WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626> was
> that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire
> U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate
> control of a private citizen."
>
> Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it
> is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With
> that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,'
> he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
>
> The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian
> employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense
> and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the
> president's constitutional authority."
>
>  WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a
> "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No
> Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
> Office of President."
>
> Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he
> insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the
> suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American
> citizenship to her son under the law<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> at
> the time.
>
> Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a
> Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his
> birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the
> Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
>
> Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in
> the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth
> certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
>
> WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613> for
> Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
> Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia
> thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his
> scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical
> records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois
> State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption
> records.
>
> Developing ...
>
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From jbhdb8 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 19:57:04 2009
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W35B852A2BE788609F8C2D5BE0E0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <f6ec14bb0908021757h4afe3697n33b4b7b059011431@mail.gmail.com>

Oooops,

Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document, which
purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal Registrar,
Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964

Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?
Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Post-colonial_history> says
no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a
Republic exactly one year later.
Josh


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in
> court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american
> history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever
> known.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
>
> *BORN IN THE USA?*
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from
> Africa
> ------------------------------
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern
>
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>
>  WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for
> its authentication. <http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/>
>
>
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>
>  of birth <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> for
> Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
>
> The document lists Obama's parents<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> as
> Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the
> birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> of
> birth as Coast General Hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> in
> Mombasa, Kenya.
>
>
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
>
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the
> deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly
> issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
>
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
>
>
> An enlarged view of the bottom of
>
>  Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>,
> but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by
> Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
>
> Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't
> want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
>
> Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central
> District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ?
> both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be
> preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents
> from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State
> Hillary Clinton.
>
> "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which
> would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the
> government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the
> power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a
> deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the
> birth certificate].
>
> "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
>
> "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz
> explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet
> more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
>
>  Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among
> members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions
> surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
>
> Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida
> court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's
> case.
>
>  The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
>
> WND previously reported<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208> a
> judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked
> his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
>
> WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626> was
> that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire
> U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate
> control of a private citizen."
>
> Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it
> is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With
> that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,'
> he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
>
> The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian
> employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense
> and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the
> president's constitutional authority."
>
>  WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a
> "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No
> Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
> Office of President."
>
> Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he
> insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the
> suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American
> citizenship to her son under the law<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> at
> the time.
>
> Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a
> Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his
> birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the
> Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
>
> Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in
> the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth
> certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
>
> WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613> for
> Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
> Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia
> thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his
> scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical
> records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois
> State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption
> records.
>
> Developing ...
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From: oldstrega at hotmail.com (Old Strega)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:20:53 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
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i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on its face.
taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment order.

but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?    












Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com

Oooops,
 
Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document, which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964

Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?

Wikipedia says no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a Republic exactly one year later.

Josh

 
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:


dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever known.    


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764



BORN IN THE USA?

Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa



Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDaily 


WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.






This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961


The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.






Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961


No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.






An enlarged view of the bottom of 





Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."

Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."




Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.




The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."

Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."

The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."




WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

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From jbhdb8 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 00:23:19 2009
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
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Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?
Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with
Barack?

Josh

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on
> its face.
> taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to
> obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the
> challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment
> order.
>
> but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?
>   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and
> anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on
> the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
>
>
> Oooops,
>
> Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document,
> which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal
> Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
> Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?
> Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Post-colonial_history> says
> no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a
> Republic exactly one year later.
> Josh
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in
> court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american
> history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever
> known.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
>
> *BORN IN THE USA?*
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from
> Africa
> ------------------------------
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern
>
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>
>  WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for
> its authentication. <http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/>
>
>
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>
>  of birth <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> for
> Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
>
> The document lists Obama's parents<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> as
> Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the
> birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> of
> birth as Coast General Hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> in
> Mombasa, Kenya.
>
>
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
>
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the
> deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly
> issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
>
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
>
>
> An enlarged view of the bottom of
>
>  Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>,
> but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by
> Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
>
> Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't
> want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
>
> Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central
> District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ?
> both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be
> preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents
> from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State
> Hillary Clinton.
>
> "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which
> would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the
> government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the
> power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a
> deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the
> birth certificate].
>
> "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
>
> "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz
> explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet
> more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
>
>  Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among
> members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions
> surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
>
> Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida
> court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's
> case.
>
>  The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
>
> WND previously reported<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208> a
> judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked
> his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
>
> WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626> was
> that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire
> U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate
> control of a private citizen."
>
> Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it
> is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With
> that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,'
> he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
>
> The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian
> employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense
> and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the
> president's constitutional authority."
>
>  WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a
> "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No
> Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
> Office of President."
>
> Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he
> insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the
> suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American
> citizenship to her son under the law<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> at
> the time.
>
> Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a
> Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his
> birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the
> Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
>
> Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in
> the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth
> certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
>
> WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613> for
> Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
> Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia
> thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his
> scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical
> records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois
> State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption
> records.
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:31:29 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] FW:  kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
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basically, you're just cynical and have no other argument than status quo.
it's not significant that cook won a challenge to commander in chief orders for deployment.   the first ever disobedience of such an order based on contestation of our commander in chief's eligibility.
obama let that happen on purpose because the lawyer, taitz, is an imbecile who, even though she scored a victory on that case, is about to be completely discredited next week when the kenyan birth certificate is proven to be a total hoax.  your cynicism should have cook deployed in afghanistan ready to be killed with all the other soldiers going up in flames there these days for no good reason.   but your cynicism already got pummeled week before last.   cook isn't going to afghanistan because the military didn't back up the commander in military court.  instead they ran scared.   
it's not a 40+ year hawaii conspiracy.  the fact is that in 1961 hawaii registered foreign births which appears to be the case with obama.

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com

Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?  Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with Barack?  
 
Josh


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:


i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on its face. 


taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment order.




but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?    








Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com

CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com 





Oooops,
 
Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document, which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?

Wikipedia says no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a Republic exactly one year later.


Josh

 
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:


dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever known.    


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764



BORN IN THE USA?

Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa



Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDaily 


WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.






This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961


The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.






Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961


No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.






An enlarged view of the bottom of 





Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."

Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."




Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.




The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."

Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."

The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."




WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

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From kkuswa at richmond.edu  Mon Aug  3 09:27:29 2009
From: kkuswa at richmond.edu (Kuswa, Kevin)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:27:29 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] FW: new Hicks and Greene on DBS, delivered today at Alta:
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Hi all,

here's a new piece by our friends and scholars, Greene and Hicks.

They have done it again with a very interesting piece on the techniques of governmentality as these techniques work through debate, particularly in attempts to harness/challenge the ways democracy can isolate its Other.  Good stuff as always.  If anyone gets into the "faithful" concept as the article uses it, you might also want to check out the cite Ron sent over: Saba Mahmood,  the Politics of Piety: The Islamic Revival and the Feminist Subject.

Thanks to Ron and Darrin for sending this on...he'll send out the full cite when it gets picked up beyond Alta.

Also, Del McWhorter (Philosophy Prof here at Richmond) has put together a new version of _Heidegger and the Earth_.  I had a chance to review it for U. Toronto Press and it is really awesome--the same article about managerialism is now 2009, but it also has about 7 additional articles that were not in the 1992 version.  The article called "A Conversation on the Lawn, Eating Eriginis," totally blew me away.  Enjoy.

I hope everyone is having fun with the topic.

Sincerely,

Kevin
U. Richmond

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I personally don't care about the OBAMA controversy I just want people to stop flooding e-debate with it. If it doesn't have to do with an Obama disad please stop sending posts to everyone about it. No disrispect intended. 
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From rrach at juno.com  Mon Aug  3 15:42:01 2009
From: rrach at juno.com (rrach at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:42:01 GMT
Subject: [eDebate] FW: kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
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Meet Orly Taitz, Queen Bee of People Obsessed With Barack Obama's Birth CertificateBy Spencer Kornhaberpublished: June 18, 2009?         John Gilhooley
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.: dentist, lawyer, mom, "eligibility" activist?         Gustavo Arellano
Buena Park pastor Wiley Drake was Taitz's first plaintiff
Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, or as Taitz calls it, a "piece of garbage"?         John Gilhooley
Lightfoot V. Bowen, the case Taitz claims was "deleted" from the Supreme Court's docket. "This, actually, might be another Watergate," she saysBirth of an Obsession
With her strong will, busy travel schedule and breathless blogging, Laguna Niguel dentist Orly Taitz has become the most controversial figure in the effort to prove that President Barack Obama is foreign-born
Before she addressed the chief justice of the Supreme Court of the United States on March 13, Dr. Orly Taitz thought about his son and her sons and nearly started to cry. 
This was after she had woken up at 3 a.m., headed to Kinko?s in Laguna Niguel, photocopied hundreds of pages, gotten on Interstate 5 heading south, answered questions on her cell phone from a radio station, caught a flight in San Diego, sat for a few hours in Salt Lake City, caught another flight, landed in Spokane, picked up a rental car, driven two hours in falling snow along the Washington-Idaho border, parked, entered University Ballroom at the University of Idaho, and then taken a seat to listen to a speech from Chief Justice John Roberts.
?This is a man who has his priorities straight,? said the law-school faculty member who introduced Roberts, going on to describe how Roberts had skipped part of the pre-event reception to be at his son?s baseball game. 
That got Taitz thinking. She has three sons: One?s a singer with an ?Elvis Presley voice,? another is a tenth-grade AP student who loves math and basketball, and another is studying to be a doctor at an Ivy League school. Since November of last year, Taitz has been ?criss-crossing the country?; talking with activists, law-enforcement officers and government officials; filing lawsuits and finding plaintiffs; and speaking at events. She has had to hire extra help at her two dental offices; she can count on one hand the number of times she has been able to sit down and watch TV; and, worst, she has missed awards ceremonies, sports tournaments and family dinners with her sons. Her mascara-rimmed eyes teared up as she thought about all the time she?s never getting back.
After Roberts gave his talk, he took questions from the audience. Taitz, in her black, turtleneck sweater and gold pendant, was the first person at the microphone. She explained that she was a lawyer who had come all the way from Southern California. She asked Roberts whether he was ?aware of some illegal activity that is going on in the Supreme Court of the United States,? and then mentioned that she had printed out a petition with hundreds of thousands of signatures asking for an investigation into the fact that ?Barack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, is totally ineligible to be president.? Audience members chuckled as she was interrupted by Roberts??Thank you very much, ma?am??and told that she could hand her suitcase full of documents to the security personnel in the room.
*     *     * 
Outside the Santa Ana Courthouse in April, the day that disgraced ex-sheriff Mike Carona was to be sentenced for witness tampering, Taitz met with the Orange County press corps. The journalists had assembled to cover the ruling, but they instead found themselves being addressed by a woman with blond hair, long eyelashes, a low-cut blouse and hands full of binders. Taitz first approached the TV camera crews, but after a few moments of chatter, they directed her to the reporters a few feet away. ?I know you,? she said to then-Los Angeles Times staff writer Christine Hanley?who, Taitz then implied, worked for Obama. As she handed out bound-and-laminated copies of her hundred-page legal pleadings to reporters, including the Weekly?s R. Scott Moxley, Taitz smiled and pontificated in her Eastern European accent about the clerks of the Supreme Court whom she believed had been sabotaging her lawsuits.
There?s a term some use for people like Taitz, and she doesn?t like it. It?s ?birther??or, if you want to be really mean, ?birfer.? (The controversy was born on the Internet, so naturally the Internet gave it a goofy name.) While rumors about Obama?s background and citizenship simmered throughout the 2008 presidential campaign, after Election Day, those rumors coalesced into a near-religion for a group of true believers. To Taitz and the unknown number of people who agree with her, Barack Obama isn?t president and probably wasn?t even born in the U.S. Taitz, a Laguna Niguel dentist with a law degree from an online academy, has been awarded a few creative variations on the birther term: ?The Queen Bee of Birferstan? is probably the best.
?That?s demeaning,? Taitz says. ?I don?t call anybody names.?
This isn?t quite true. She calls Obama a ?usurper? and an ?arrogant jerk from Africa and Indonesia.? She called a judge an ?idiot.? And she calls anyone who stands in her way an ?Obama thug.? Taitz has built a sizable following on her blog; in the comments for each post at orlytaitzesq.com, you can read a few more names for people whom Taitz doesn?t like: ?traitors,? ?Muslims,? ?terrorists.? 
In the past eight months, Taitz?s face has become one of the most recognizable of what its adherents prefer to call the ?eligibility? movement, and her actions have been some of the most controversial. Her end goal is simple?to remove Obama from office?but her methods have sometimes put her at odds with other anti-Obama activists. And that?s not to mention the legion of Obama supporters who have assembled evidence claiming that Taitz is, at best, a liar and, at worst, treasonous.
Ask about Taitz?s motivations, and she?ll tell you about her background. She immigrated to the United States from Israel in 1987; before Israel, she lived in what was then the Soviet Socialist Republic of Moldavia. She says it?s her upbringing that initially caused her to be suspicious of Obama. ?I was just like any other mom; I didn?t do anything different from any other mother,? she says, her accent turning mother into muddah. ?And it?s just during this last election, I became really concerned because I came from a communist country. I saw the things that Obama is saying that really did not make sense and that concerned me. One, of course, that had to do with the all-civilian army. And I saw footage of children dressed in uniforms, saluting Obama and doing drills. That reminded me of young communists.?
(Unsure what she?s referring to? Google ?Obama civilian army? and ?Obama children drills.? That?ll bring up the appropriate World Net Daily articles and FOX News clips.)
The mistrust turned into something stronger when Taitz received an e-mail claiming there was evidence that Obama wasn?t born in America. ?At first, I thought it was a hoax,? she says. ?I didn?t believe it.? But then, in October, she filled out the ?contact? form on the California Secretary of State website, asking if the secretary verifies the eligibility of presidential candidates. The response was no. ?I was shocked,? Taitz says. 
She fired off a round of letters to the editors of local newspapers, arguing that Obama didn?t meet the constitutional requirements to be president. The only one to publish her words was the Westminster Herald. But that was enough. Someone read the letter in the newspaper and called Taitz at her dental office to invite her to speak at an upcoming meeting of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, the far-right anti-immigrant group whose projects include a boycott of Mexico. There, she told the story of her own legal immigration to the United States, and afterward, she was approached by Buena Park radio pastor Wiley Drake (recently in the news because he publicly admitted to praying for Obama?s death). After chatting a little about immigration, the conversation turned to Obama?s birth certificate. Drake invited Taitz onto his radio show. On the air, the two discussed what they thought of the Usurper, and then Drake asked, ?Well, what can we do?? 
Taitz?s answer: ?We can sue.?
This would not be the first lawsuit filed to challenge Obama. Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg made headlines in August 2008 by attempting to block the Democratic National Committee?s endorsement of Obama. Berg is a Democrat with history: He?d once served as Montgomery County Democratic Party chairman and as deputy attorney general in that state. He supported Hillary Clinton?s candidacy, but he insists his problem with Obama is constitutional, not political. He also had spent part of the past seven years suing the Bush administration to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. A judge threw out his first Obama suit for one reason: standing. Berg couldn?t prove he would be materially damaged by Obama?s presidency.
In Taitz?s mind, Drake?s being a vice-presidential candidate running on the American Independent ticket with Alan Keyes gave him standing. So Taitz filed her first eligibility lawsuit, Keyes v. Bowen, on Nov. 13, asking that California Secretary of State Debra Bowen investigate Obama (see Matt Coker?s ?The Preacher vs. the President-elect,? Dec. 17, 2008).
But her real entrance onto the national stage came in early December. Political activist Robert Schulz is an engineer by trade, but he bills himself as a constitutional scholar. Others merely call him a tax cheat: A federal judge held him in contempt of court in May 2008 for refusing to comply with an earlier injunction ordering his We the People Foundation to stop teaching people how to ?legally? avoid payroll taxes (it wasn?t legal). But later that year, his cause wasn?t taxes; it was Obama. Schulz took out two full-page ads in the Chicago Tribune asking President-elect Obama to hand over a number of documents at a press conference Schulz would be holding on Dec. 8.
Obama didn?t show up for the conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. (Schulz had rented out the room), but Taitz did. So did Berg and a number of other activists and lawyers agitating against Obama. Taitz, who was invited by Schulz, spoke for several dozen minutes about her legal actions against Obama. ?She was interesting,? Schulz says. ?I could tell she hadn?t been through press conferences before. Instead of good, short, powerful statements . . . God bless her, but she had a tendency to want to go through all the details. She?s passionate, no question about that.?
The conference earned Taitz mentions on Slate and Salon; the latter reported that ?Taitz . . . kept making stranger and stranger assertions. At one point, she asked why the government had fined broadcasters for Janet Jackson?s ?wardrobe malfunction,? but didn?t intervene to force the media to report on Obama?s allegedly phony birth certificate.?
A few days earlier, the California Supreme Court had dismissed Taitz?s lawsuit asking for an emergency order to halt certification of the election results on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the Libertarian vice-presidential candidate who had been on Ron Paul?s ticket in California. The dismissal just led Taitz to refile in the United States Supreme Court on Dec. 12. But on the day after the presidential inauguration came an event that seemed to shake Taitz to her core: She says her case inexplicably ?disappeared? from the court?s online docket. It was only after ?hundreds? of phone calls from Taitz and her supporters that, a day later, the case reappeared. Workers in the Supreme Court?s office told her it was due to a computer glitch that affected multiple cases. To Taitz, the whole thing smacked of foul play.
?I don?t know if it was hacking from outside, or whether it was hacking from inside, or if it was someone who works within the Supreme Court did it in order to show there are no challenges to Obama?s eligibility, but this is a serious issue,? Taitz says. ?I think this is more of a scandal than many other issues. This, actually, might be another Watergate.?
On Jan. 26, the court declined to hear that case. Taitz thought she should try to find out why. She showed up at a lecture being given by Justice Antonin Scalia in Los Angeles and asked, during the Q&A session, whether he would hear her lawsuit. ?He said, ?Bring the case,?? she recalls. ?So I said, ?Well, why didn?t you hear the previous case, Lightfoot v. Bowen? And he kept saying, ?I don?t know. I don?t remember. I don?t know.?? During the book-signing after Scalia?s talk, Taitz made sure she was the last person in line. When she got face-to-face with the justice, she had him sign two books?including a tome costing more than $100?to have more time to grill him about Lightfoot. The answers she got, Taitz says, were troubling: The court?s clerks must have prevented him from reading her pleadings and those of other eligibility lawsuits. To her, that?s the only plausible reason why he wouldn?t remember.
*     *     * 
It?s difficult to estimate how many people believe that Obama isn?t eligible to be president. Berg claims the number is around 15 million (he?d like to see awareness reach 75 million, at least). World Net Daily, a right-wing news site that publishes a steady stream of Obama-slamming stories, reportedly has gathered 380,000 signatures for its petition related to the matter. But, as with any online petition, there?s no way to know how many of those are duplicates or fakes. Taitz has been able to direct her readers to flood government officials with so many e-mails, phone messages and letters that they eventually return her phone calls. 
What isn?t difficult is understanding why someone would buy the eligibility idea. Taitz, even with her tendency to misuse pronouns and mispronounce words, can put together an explanation in a few minutes that actually sounds compelling.
It goes like this: 
Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the president of the United States must be, among other things, a ?natural-born citizen.? There?s disagreement as to what that means (more on that later), but there?s no dispute that it requires a president to have been an American citizen at the time of his or her birth. Obama says he was born in Honolulu in 1961, but he has never publicly produced his original birth certificate?that piece of paper parents get when they have a new child, which features the name of the hospital as well as the name of the attending physician. Responding to rumors that Obama?s middle name is ?Muhammad,? the Obama campaign in June 2008 published a scanned image of his Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), a short-form printout that doesn?t list hospital or doctor. 
Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of Obama?s COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits saying it?s a forgery. There?s a law on the books in Hawaii that allows foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a late-registered COLB doesn?t need to be verified by anyone; it?s based solely on the testimony of one parent. On top of all that, there?s a recording and transcript of Obama?s Kenyan grandmother telling an interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa. And in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan; at the time, though, there was a ban on American passport holders entering that country.
In light of all these and other facts, Taitz argues that Obama should be forced to release his entire hospital-birthing file, passport information and college records.
The problem is most of the above facts aren?t true.
For starters, the Pakistan ?travel ban? is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article. The full transcript from Obama?s grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya?in fact, she repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn?t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama?s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those ?forensic experts? who say Obama?s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two haven?t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went by the moniker ?TechDude?), and the other merely said that she can?t make a determination of a document?s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.
Still, the question remains: Where?s the birth certificate? In fact, there?s an electronic billboard in Buena Park, off Interstate 5 near Beach Boulevard, asking that very question. It?s owned by World Net Daily; one of its reporters, Les Kinsolving, brought the issue up at a White House press briefing on May 27. ?It?s on the Internet,? Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs chuckled. ?I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that we?ll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy.?
Aside from World Net Daily, more traditional conservative media sources?not to mention politicians?have condemned the birth-certificate question as a waste of time. In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as ?crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters.? Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.
Even if Obama?s long-form, original birth certificate were to be made public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn?t stop. Because there?s a second argument: that there?s no way that Obama could fit the definition of a ?natural-born citizen.? By turning to Swiss philosophy texts read by the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous Scott v. Sanford Supreme Court decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former slave Dred Scott and was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency of Chester A. Arthur, Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a natural-born citizen if both parents were American citizens at the time of the baby?s birth. Obama?s Kenyan father was a British subject. 
While mainstream news sources such as Politifact and FactCheck.org have tried to debunk the bulk of the eligibility argument, the best place to see all the evidence is at the coterie of ?anti-birther? websites that have sprung up. ObamaConspiracy.org, for example, meticulously examines each and every eligibility claim, almost wholly relying on original research and primary documents. NativeBornCitizen.wordpress.com goes through eligibility lawsuits and argues with them, point by point. 
It sometimes seems as though the ?anti-birther? community is just as obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com, there?s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as ?Orly?s Facebook Page? and ?How Long Until Orly?s Breakdown?? At YesToDemocracy.com, bloggers provide regular updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the ?nitrous-huffing,? ?cavity creep? that is Orly Taitz. 
?It?s just fascinating,? says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab?s Orly Taitz forum. ?She runs around the country doing things that amount to absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ?files? all sorts of documents, but she never files anything. She drops stuff off.? 
Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy puts it a different way: ?There?s a certain amount of fascination with unbridled insanity, and that?s what you?re seeing with the birthers: a level of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.?
*     *     * 
Orly Taitz owes any fame she has to the Internet, so when her blogs started acting strangely, she got upset. In the first months of 2009, she posted updates about her legal cases on both drorly.blogspot.com and defendourfreedoms.us. But they would become unavailable without notice, and users would face porn pop-ups and warnings that they were entering a site that could damage their computer. Worse, the PayPal account she used to raise donations wouldn?t accept new contributions. Like any law-abiding citizen would, she sent complaints about these ?cyber-crimes? to the local police, the FBI and the Supreme Court of the United States. 
While Taitz believed she had been hacked?possibly by Obama thugs?her New Jersey-based webmaster, Lisa Ostella, wasn?t so sure. If Taitz?s site had been hacked, that would mean the security of all of Ostella?s clients was compromised. So, in March, she asked Taitz to rescind her complaint to the FBI and stop making unsubstantiated claims about hacking, or else find a new webmaster. Taitz opted for the latter.
It?s not totally clear what happened, but defendourfreedoms.us ended up in Ostella?s hands, and Taitz says that a commenter using the handle ?Agent 88? started posting nasty things about her. To Taitz, there was no doubt: This was Lisa Liberi, a paralegal working for Philip Berg, the Pennsylvania eligibility attorney. Weeks earlier, someone had told Taitz that Liberi had a criminal record, so she investigated. She found that a woman named Lisa Liberi had a long rap sheet of fraud, forgery and theft in San Bernardino. Taitz sent Berg a ?Ceize and Desist? [sic] letter, telling Berg to investigate Liberi (she also accused him of plagiarizing her legal pleadings, an accusation he has in turn leveled at her). Then she sent out ?Dossier #6? (Taitz has a habit of sending out ?dossiers? of Obama-related miscellanea to government officials) to, supposedly, 26,000 media outlets. In the dossier: Liberi?s home address, phone number and full Social Security number.
And that?s how Taitz ended up being sued by Berg, Ostella, Liberi and others in federal court in Pennsylvania. On May 17, Berg posted on his website, ObamaCrimes.com: 
I regretfully advise you that I had to file a lawsuit against Orly Taitz, Esquire, as she has gone too far. Months ago, I advised Orly that I would not work with her because our legal styles were so different.
However, I decided not to bad mouth her.
Well, Orly decided to take me down and she states through my very able paralegal, Lisa [sic]. I cannot understand why she would want to take me down unless she?s working for Obama.
Ostella declined to comment for this story. For Berg, the lawsuit?for slander, privacy violations and harassment?offered a chance for him to finally say what he?d been thinking about Taitz: She?s a menace and possibly an Obama plant. ?When you really look at what she has accomplished over the past couple of months, I think it?s nothing,? Berg says. ?She?s hurt the cause. I suggest she goes back to practicing dentistry.? Berg says the headlines she generates, about ambushing Supreme Court justices and allegations of government-perpetrated hacking, only serve to make the eligibility movement look nuts. ?And we?re not nuts,? Berg says.
Taitz maintains that she was only spreading information that was already public about Liberi, and she has speculated that Berg might be the one working for Obama. But the lawsuit has divided the eligibility community of online-radio hosts and bloggers into two camps: for Taitz and against her. A few people who previously worked with Taitz no longer will speak on the record about her, for fear of her posting their personal information on her blog and directing her followers to harass them. And in the past month or so, a 30-page document purporting to be an anonymous complaint to the State Bar of California about Taitz has circulated on the Web. The Bar doesn?t comment on ongoing investigations; Taitz says she hasn?t been contacted about the complaint. Still, it?s a fairly exhaustive document of all the ways that Taitz may have crossed the line as a lawyer, from her out-of-court communications with judges to not-so-veiled calls for armed insurrection if the legal process doesn?t eventually get Obama removed. (In February, for example, the complaint alleges she posted, ?The simple fact is that we are long overdue for another Rebellion in this nation, and I heartily endorse the idea of having one again very soon, preferably starting THIS year!?)
On that last charge, Orly-watchers are nervous. ?In my opinion, Orly herself is not dangerous in the sense that she would pull the trigger on the president,? says Haggard. ?She is dangerous in that she attracts people who might.?
But Taitz?s following still appears to be strong, possibly because she?s the most omnivorous eligibility activist around: She simultaneously makes demands for Obama?s birth certificate while also arguing for a narrow reading of ?natural-born citizen.? In addition to her lawsuits on behalf of failed presidential candidates, she says, she has rounded up more than 100 military officers?many of whom are retired?to sign on to her quo warranto legal pleadings that challenge the president (the argument being that a military officer has a right to know if the commander in chief is legit). And she has participated in quasi-legal activities, such as the ?citizen grand juries? that trace their legal authority back to the Magna Carta?s rules about lords and barons.
?She?s a tiger,? says Gail Lightfoot. ?She?s relentless. She?s not going to let go of this. She absolutely is not going to give up.?
Taitz admits it gets hard sometimes. Her husband objects to all the time spent away from home, late-night phone calls and money spent flying across the country. Taitz wishes she could see her sons more. And she?s increasingly convinced her life is in danger, most likely because of personal attention from Obama. Two weeks ago, her husband?s car went to the shop with mechanical problems. Then her car had a fuel leak. 
And then she got this blog comment: ?Did you know that if you tried your citizens? arrest bullshit and tried to forcibly remove the president, I and millions of others would shoot you on spot and burn your body for the world to see???????? YOU LITTLE FUCK.? After filing a report with the Orange County Sheriff?s Department, she traced the commenter?s IP address to Everett, Washington. Suddenly, everything clicked. ?I?m wondering if it?s someone who knows Obama,? she says, ?because his mother, Anne Dunham, used to study at the University of Seattle, Washington. This person is at Everett, Washington, which is very close to Seattle.? 
She?s currently looking for volunteers to investigate the matter in Washington. And, if she needs to, Taitz will go there herself.
More about and from Orly Taitz can be found on Navel Gazing. 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>
To: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Subject: [eDebate] FW:  kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:31:29 -0500

basically, you're just cynical and have no other argument than status quo.

it's not significant that cook won a challenge to commander in chief orders for deployment.   the first ever disobedience of such an order based on contestation of our commander in chief's eligibility.
obama let that happen on purpose because the lawyer, taitz, is an imbecile who, even though she scored a victory on that case, is about to be completely discredited next week when the kenyan birth certificate is proven to be a total hoax.  your cynicism should have cook deployed in afghanistan ready to be killed with all the other soldiers going up in flames there these days for no good reason.   but your cynicism already got pummeled week before last.   cook isn't going to afghanistan because the military didn't back up the commander in military court.  instead they ran scared.   
it's not a 40+ year hawaii conspiracy.  the fact is that in 1961 hawaii registered foreign births which appears to be the case with obama.

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com

Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?  Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with Barack?   Josh

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on its face. 
taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment order.

but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?    


Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com 

Oooops, Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document, which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?
Wikipedia says no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a Republic exactly one year later.
Josh
 On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever known.    
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

BORN IN THE USA?
Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa
Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDaily 
WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.


This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.


Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.


An enlarged view of the bottom of 

Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].
"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."

Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.

The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."
Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM, rrach at juno.com <rrach at juno.com> wrote:

> *Meet Orly Taitz, Queen Bee of People Obsessed With Barack Obama's Birth
> Certificate* *By Spencer Kornhaber* *published: June 18, 2009* *?
> *John Gilhooley
>
> [image: Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.: dentist, lawyer, mom,]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.: dentist, lawyer, mom, "eligibility" activist* *?
> *Gustavo Arellano
>
> [image: Buena Park pastor Wiley Drake was Taitz's first plaintiff]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Buena Park* pastor Wiley Drake was Taitz's first plaintiff
>
>    - [image: Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, or as Taitz calls it, a]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
>
> *Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, or as Taitz calls it, a "piece of
> garbage"* *?         *John Gilhooley
>
> [image: Lightfoot V. Bowen, the case Taitz claims was]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Lightfoot V. Bowen, the case Taitz claims was "deleted" from the Supreme
> Court's docket. "This, actually, might be another Watergate," she says*
>
> *Birth of an Obsession**
> With her strong will, busy travel schedule and breathless blogging, Laguna
> Niguel dentist Orly Taitz has become the most controversial figure in the
> effort to prove that President Barack Obama is foreign-born*
>
> Before she addressed the chief justice of the Supreme Court of the United
> States on March 13, Dr. Orly Taitz thought about his son and *her* sons
> and nearly started to cry.
>
> This was after she had woken up at 3 a.m., headed to Kinko?s in Laguna
> Niguel, photocopied hundreds of pages, gotten on Interstate 5 heading south,
> answered questions on her cell phone from a radio station, caught a flight
> in San Diego, sat for a few hours in Salt Lake City, caught another flight,
> landed in Spokane, picked up a rental car, driven two hours in falling snow
> along the Washington-Idaho border, parked, entered University Ballroom at
> the University of Idaho, and then taken a seat to listen to a speech from
> Chief Justice John Roberts.
>
> ?This is a man who has his priorities straight,? said the law-school
> faculty member who introduced Roberts, going on to describe how Roberts had
> skipped part of the pre-event reception to be at his son?s baseball game.
>
> That got Taitz thinking. She has three sons: One?s a singer with an ?Elvis
> Presley voice,? another is a tenth-grade AP student who loves math and
> basketball, and another is studying to be a doctor at an Ivy League school.
> Since November of last year, Taitz has been ?criss-crossing the country?;
> talking with activists, law-enforcement officers and government officials;
> filing lawsuits and finding plaintiffs; and speaking at events. She has had
> to hire extra help at her two dental offices; she can count on one hand the
> number of times she has been able to sit down and watch TV; and, worst, she
> has missed awards ceremonies, sports tournaments and family dinners with her
> sons. Her mascara-rimmed eyes teared up as she thought about all the time
> she?s never getting back.
>
> After Roberts gave his talk, he took questions from the audience. Taitz, in
> her black, turtleneck sweater and gold pendant, was the first person at the
> microphone. She explained that she was a lawyer who had come all the way
> from Southern California. She asked Roberts whether he was ?aware of some
> illegal activity that is going on in the Supreme Court of the United
> States,? and then mentioned that she had printed out a petition with
> hundreds of thousands of signatures asking for an investigation into the
> fact that ?Barack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, is totally ineligible
> to be president.? Audience members chuckled as she was interrupted by
> Roberts??Thank you very much, ma?am??and told that she could hand her
> suitcase full of documents to the security personnel in the room.
>
> *     *     *
>
> Outside the Santa Ana Courthouse in April, the day that disgraced
> ex-sheriff Mike Carona was to be sentenced for witness tampering, Taitz met
> with the Orange County press corps. The journalists had assembled to cover
> the ruling, but they instead found themselves being addressed by a woman
> with blond hair, long eyelashes, a low-cut blouse and hands full of binders.
> Taitz first approached the TV camera crews, but after a few moments of
> chatter, they directed her to the reporters a few feet away. ?I know you,?
> she said to then-*Los Angeles Times* staff writer Christine Hanley?who,
> Taitz then implied, worked for Obama. As she handed out bound-and-laminated
> copies of her hundred-page legal pleadings to reporters, including the *
> Weekly*?s R. Scott Moxley, Taitz smiled and pontificated in her Eastern
> European accent about the clerks of the Supreme Court whom she believed had
> been sabotaging her lawsuits.
>
> There?s a term some use for people like Taitz, and she doesn?t like it.
> It?s ?birther??or, if you want to be really mean, ?birfer.? (The controversy
> was born on the Internet, so naturally the Internet gave it a goofy name.)
> While rumors about Obama?s background and citizenship simmered throughout
> the 2008 presidential campaign, after Election Day, those rumors coalesced
> into a near-religion for a group of true believers. To Taitz and the unknown
> number of people who agree with her, Barack Obama isn?t president and
> probably wasn?t even born in the U.S. Taitz, a Laguna Niguel dentist with a
> law degree from an online academy, has been awarded a few creative
> variations on the birther term: ?The Queen Bee of Birferstan? is probably
> the best.
>
> ?That?s demeaning,? Taitz says. ?I don?t call anybody names.?
>
> This isn?t quite true. She calls Obama a ?usurper? and an ?arrogant jerk
> from Africa and Indonesia.? She called a judge an ?idiot.? And she calls
> anyone who stands in her way an ?Obama thug.? Taitz has built a sizable
> following on her blog; in the comments for each post at orlytaitzesq.com,
> you can read a few more names for people whom Taitz doesn?t like:
> ?traitors,? ?Muslims,? ?terrorists.?
>
> In the past eight months, Taitz?s face has become one of the most
> recognizable of what its adherents prefer to call the ?eligibility?
> movement, and her actions have been some of the most controversial. Her end
> goal is simple?to remove Obama from office?but her methods have sometimes
> put her at odds with other anti-Obama activists. And that?s not to mention
> the legion of Obama supporters who have assembled evidence claiming that
> Taitz is, at best, a liar and, at worst, treasonous.
>
> Ask about Taitz?s motivations, and she?ll tell you about her background.
> She immigrated to the United States from Israel in 1987; before Israel, she
> lived in what was then the Soviet Socialist Republic of Moldavia. She says
> it?s her upbringing that initially caused her to be suspicious of Obama. ?I
> was just like any other mom; I didn?t do anything different from any other
> mother,? she says, her accent turning *mother* into *muddah*. ?And it?s
> just during this last election, I became really concerned because I came
> from a communist country. I saw the things that Obama is saying that really
> did not make sense and that concerned me. One, of course, that had to do
> with the all-civilian army. And I saw footage of children dressed in
> uniforms, saluting Obama and doing drills. That reminded me of young
> communists.?
>
> (Unsure what she?s referring to? Google ?Obama civilian army? and ?Obama
> children drills.? That?ll bring up the appropriate World Net Daily<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/>articles and FOX News clips.)
>
> The mistrust turned into something stronger when Taitz received an e-mail
> claiming there was evidence that Obama wasn?t born in America. ?At first, I
> thought it was a hoax,? she says. ?I didn?t believe it.? But then, in
> October, she filled out the ?contact? form on the California Secretary of
> State website, asking if the secretary verifies the eligibility of
> presidential candidates. The response was no. ?I was shocked,? Taitz says.
>
> She fired off a round of letters to the editors of local newspapers,
> arguing that Obama didn?t meet the constitutional requirements to be
> president. The only one to publish her words was the *Westminster Herald*.
> But that was enough. Someone read the letter in the newspaper and called
> Taitz at her dental office to invite her to speak at an upcoming meeting of
> the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, the
> far-right anti-immigrant group whose projects include a boycott of Mexico.
> There, she told the story of her own legal immigration to the United States,
> and afterward, she was approached by Buena Park radio pastor Wiley Drake
> (recently in the news because he publicly admitted to praying for Obama?s
> death). After chatting a little about immigration, the conversation turned
> to Obama?s birth certificate. Drake invited Taitz onto his radio show. On
> the air, the two discussed what they thought of the Usurper, and then Drake
> asked, ?Well, what can we do??
>
> Taitz?s answer: ?We can sue.?
>
> This would not be the first lawsuit filed to challenge Obama. Pennsylvania
> lawyer Philip Berg made headlines in August 2008 by attempting to block the
> Democratic National Committee?s endorsement of Obama. Berg is a Democrat
> with history: He?d once served as Montgomery County Democratic Party
> chairman and as deputy attorney general in that state. He supported Hillary
> Clinton?s candidacy, but he insists his problem with Obama is
> constitutional, not political. He also had spent part of the past seven
> years suing the Bush administration to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. A
> judge threw out his first Obama suit for one reason: standing. Berg couldn?t
> prove he would be materially damaged by Obama?s presidency.
>
> In Taitz?s mind, Drake?s being a vice-presidential candidate running on the
> American Independent ticket with Alan Keyes gave him standing. So Taitz
> filed her first eligibility lawsuit, *Keyes v. Bowen*, on Nov. 13, asking
> that California Secretary of State Debra Bowen investigate Obama (see Matt
> Coker?s ?The Preacher vs. the President-elect<http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-12-18/news/wiley-drake-barack-obama>,?
> Dec. 17, 2008).
>
> But her real entrance onto the national stage came in early December.
> Political activist Robert Schulz is an engineer by trade, but he bills
> himself as a constitutional scholar. Others merely call him a tax cheat: A
> federal judge held him in contempt of court in May 2008 for refusing to
> comply with an earlier injunction ordering his We the People Foundation<http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/>to stop teaching people how to ?legally? avoid payroll taxes (it wasn?t
> legal). But later that year, his cause wasn?t taxes; it was Obama. Schulz
> took out two full-page ads in the *Chicago Tribune* asking President-elect
> Obama to hand over a number of documents at a press conference Schulz would
> be holding on Dec. 8.
>
> Obama didn?t show up for the conference at the National Press Club in
> Washington, D.C. (Schulz had rented out the room), but Taitz did. So did
> Berg and a number of other activists and lawyers agitating against Obama.
> Taitz, who was invited by Schulz, spoke for several dozen minutes about her
> legal actions against Obama. ?She was interesting,? Schulz says. ?I could
> tell she hadn?t been through press conferences before. Instead of good,
> short, powerful statements . . . God bless her, but she had a tendency to
> want to go through all the details. She?s passionate, no question about
> that.?
>
> The conference earned Taitz mentions on Slate and Salon; the latter
> reported that ?Taitz . . . kept making stranger and stranger assertions. At
> one point, she asked why the government had fined broadcasters for Janet
> Jackson?s ?wardrobe malfunction,? but didn?t intervene to force the media to
> report on Obama?s allegedly phony birth certificate.?
>
> A few days earlier, the California Supreme Court had dismissed Taitz?s
> lawsuit asking for an emergency order to halt certification of the election
> results on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the Libertarian vice-presidential
> candidate who had been on Ron Paul?s ticket in California. The dismissal
> just led Taitz to refile in the United States Supreme Court on Dec. 12. But
> on the day after the presidential inauguration came an event that seemed to
> shake Taitz to her core: She says her case inexplicably ?disappeared? from
> the court?s online docket. It was only after ?hundreds? of phone calls from
> Taitz and her supporters that, a day later, the case reappeared. Workers in
> the Supreme Court?s office told her it was due to a computer glitch that
> affected multiple cases. To Taitz, the whole thing smacked of foul play.
>
> ?I don?t know if it was hacking from outside, or whether it was hacking
> from inside, or if it was someone who works within the Supreme Court did it
> in order to show there are no challenges to Obama?s eligibility, but this is
> a serious issue,? Taitz says. ?I think this is more of a scandal than many
> other issues. This, actually, might be another Watergate.?
>
> On Jan. 26, the court declined to hear that case. Taitz thought she should
> try to find out why. She showed up at a lecture being given by Justice
> Antonin Scalia in Los Angeles and asked, during the Q&A session, whether he
> would hear her lawsuit. ?He said, ?Bring the case,?? she recalls. ?So I
> said, ?Well, why didn?t you hear the previous case, *Lightfoot v. Bowen*?
> And he kept saying, ?I don?t know. I don?t remember. I don?t know.?? During
> the book-signing after Scalia?s talk, Taitz made sure she was the last
> person in line. When she got face-to-face with the justice, she had him sign
> two books?including a tome costing more than $100?to have more time to grill
> him about *Lightfoot*. The answers she got, Taitz says, were troubling:
> The court?s clerks must have prevented him from reading her pleadings and
> those of other eligibility lawsuits. To her, that?s the only plausible
> reason why he wouldn?t remember.
>
> *     *     *
>
> It?s difficult to estimate how many people believe that Obama isn?t
> eligible to be president. Berg claims the number is around 15 million (he?d
> like to see awareness reach 75 million, at least). World Net Daily, a
> right-wing news site that publishes a steady stream of Obama-slamming
> stories, reportedly has gathered 380,000 signatures for its petition related
> to the matter. But, as with any online petition, there?s no way to know how
> many of those are duplicates or fakes. Taitz has been able to direct her
> readers to flood government officials with so many e-mails, phone messages
> and letters that they eventually return her phone calls.
>
> What isn?t difficult is understanding why someone would buy the eligibility
> idea. Taitz, even with her tendency to misuse pronouns and mispronounce
> words, can put together an explanation in a few minutes that actually sounds
> compelling.
>
> It goes like this:
>
> Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the president of the
> United States must be, among other things, a ?natural-born citizen.? There?s
> disagreement as to what that means (more on that later), but there?s no
> dispute that it requires a president to have been an American citizen at the
> time of his or her birth. Obama says he was born in Honolulu in 1961, but he
> has never publicly produced his original birth certificate?that piece of
> paper parents get when they have a new child, which features the name of the
> hospital as well as the name of the attending physician. Responding to
> rumors that Obama?s middle name is ?Muhammad,? the Obama campaign in June
> 2008 published a scanned image of his Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), a
> short-form printout that doesn?t list hospital or doctor.
>
> Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of Obama?s
> COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits saying
> it?s a forgery. There?s a law on the books in Hawaii that allows
> foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a
> late-registered COLB doesn?t need to be verified by anyone; it?s based
> solely on the testimony of one parent. On top of all that, there?s a
> recording and transcript of Obama?s Kenyan grandmother telling an
> interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa. And
> in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan; at the time, though, there was a ban on
> American passport holders entering that country.
>
> In light of all these and other facts, Taitz argues that Obama should be
> forced to release his entire hospital-birthing file, passport information
> and college records.
>
> The problem is most of the above facts aren?t true.
>
> For starters, the Pakistan ?travel ban? is a complete fabrication based on
> zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a
> 1981 *New York Times* article. The full transcript from Obama?s
> grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya?in fact, she
> repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born
> children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn?t exist until 20 years after Obama
> was born, while Obama?s published COLB says his birth information was
> recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those ?forensic experts? who
> say Obama?s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two
> haven?t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went
> by the moniker ?TechDude?), and the other merely said that she can?t make a
> determination of a document?s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.
>
> Still, the question remains: Where?s the birth certificate? In fact,
> there?s an electronic billboard in Buena Park, off Interstate 5 near Beach
> Boulevard, asking that very question. It?s owned by World Net Daily; one of
> its reporters, Les Kinsolving, brought the issue up at a White House press
> briefing on May 27. ?It?s on the Internet,? Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs
> chuckled. ?I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that
> we?ll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy.?
>
> Aside from World Net Daily, more traditional conservative media sources?not
> to mention politicians?have condemned the birth-certificate question as a
> waste of time. In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz
> and the other eligibility attorneys as ?crazy, nutburger, demagogue,
> money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters.?
> Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.
>
> Even if Obama?s long-form, original birth certificate were to be made
> public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn?t stop. Because
> there?s a second argument: that there?s no way that Obama could fit the
> definition of a ?natural-born citizen.? By turning to Swiss philosophy texts
> read by the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous *Scott v. Sanford*Supreme Court decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former
> slave Dred Scott and was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency
> of Chester A. Arthur, Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a
> natural-born citizen if both parents were American citizens at the time of
> the baby?s birth. Obama?s Kenyan father was a British subject.
>
> While mainstream news sources such as Politifact<http://www.politifact.com/>and
> FactCheck.org <http://factcheck.org/> have tried to debunk the bulk of the
> eligibility argument, the best place to see all the evidence is at the
> coterie of ?anti-birther? websites that have sprung up.
> ObamaConspiracy.org <http://obamaconspiracy.org/>, for example,
> meticulously examines each and every eligibility claim, almost wholly
> relying on original research and primary documents.
> NativeBornCitizen.wordpress.com <http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/>goes through eligibility lawsuits and argues with them, point by point.
>
> It sometimes seems as though the ?anti-birther? community is just as
> obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com<http://politijab.com/>,
> there?s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as
> ?Orly?s Facebook Page? and ?How Long Until Orly?s Breakdown?? At
> YesToDemocracy.com <http://yestodemocracy.com/>, bloggers provide regular
> updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the
> ?nitrous-huffing,? ?cavity creep? that is Orly Taitz.
>
> ?It?s just fascinating,? says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab?s
> Orly Taitz forum. ?She runs around the country doing things that amount to
> absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ?files? all sorts of
> documents, but she never *files* anything. She *drops stuff off*.?
>
> Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy <http://www.yestodemocracy.com/>puts it a different way: ?There?s a certain amount of fascination with
> unbridled insanity, and that?s what you?re seeing with the birthers: a level
> of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.?
>
> *     *     *
>
> Orly Taitz owes any fame she has to the Internet, so when her blogs started
> acting strangely, she got upset. In the first months of 2009, she posted
> updates about her legal cases on both drorly.blogspot.com and
> defendourfreedoms.us. But they would become unavailable without notice,
> and users would face porn pop-ups and warnings that they were entering a
> site that could damage their computer. Worse, the PayPal account she used to
> raise donations wouldn?t accept new contributions. Like any law-abiding
> citizen would, she sent complaints about these ?cyber-crimes? to the local
> police, the FBI and the Supreme Court of the United States.
>
> While Taitz believed she had been hacked?possibly by Obama thugs?her New
> Jersey-based webmaster, Lisa Ostella, wasn?t so sure. If Taitz?s site had
> been hacked, that would mean the security of all of Ostella?s clients was
> compromised. So, in March, she asked Taitz to rescind her complaint to the
> FBI and stop making unsubstantiated claims about hacking, or else find a new
> webmaster. Taitz opted for the latter.
>
> It?s not totally clear what happened, but defendourfreedoms.us ended up in
> Ostella?s hands, and Taitz says that a commenter using the handle ?Agent 88?
> started posting nasty things about her. To Taitz, there was no doubt: This
> was Lisa Liberi, a paralegal working for Philip Berg, the Pennsylvania
> eligibility attorney. Weeks earlier, someone had told Taitz that Liberi had
> a criminal record, so she investigated. She found that a woman named Lisa
> Liberi had a long rap sheet of fraud, forgery and theft in San Bernardino.
> Taitz sent Berg a ?Ceize and Desist? [sic] letter, telling Berg to
> investigate Liberi (she also accused him of plagiarizing her legal
> pleadings, an accusation he has in turn leveled at *her*). Then she sent
> out ?Dossier #6? (Taitz has a habit of sending out ?dossiers? of
> Obama-related miscellanea to government officials) to, supposedly, 26,000
> media outlets. In the dossier: Liberi?s home address, phone number and full
> Social Security number.
>
> And that?s how Taitz ended up being sued by Berg, Ostella, Liberi and
> others in federal court in Pennsylvania. On May 17, Berg posted on his
> website, ObamaCrimes.com <http://obamacrimes.com/>:
>
> *I regretfully advise you that I had to file a lawsuit against Orly Taitz,
> Esquire, as she has gone too far. Months ago, I advised Orly that I would
> not work with her because our legal styles were so different.*
>
> *However, I decided not to bad mouth her.*
>
> *Well, Orly decided to take me down and she states through my very able
> paralegal, Lisa [sic]. I cannot understand why she would want to take me
> down unless she?s working for Obama.*
>
> Ostella declined to comment for this story. For Berg, the lawsuit?for
> slander, privacy violations and harassment?offered a chance for him to
> finally say what he?d been thinking about Taitz: She?s a menace and possibly
> an Obama plant. ?When you really look at what she has accomplished over the
> past couple of months, I think it?s nothing,? Berg says. ?She?s hurt the
> cause. I suggest she goes back to practicing dentistry.? Berg says the
> headlines she generates, about ambushing Supreme Court justices and
> allegations of government-perpetrated hacking, only serve to make the
> eligibility movement look nuts. ?And we?re not nuts,? Berg says.
>
> Taitz maintains that she was only spreading information that was already
> public about Liberi, and she has speculated that Berg might be the one
> working for Obama. But the lawsuit has divided the eligibility community of
> online-radio hosts and bloggers into two camps: for Taitz and against her. A
> few people who previously worked with Taitz no longer will speak on the
> record about her, for fear of her posting their personal information on her
> blog and directing her followers to harass them. And in the past month or
> so, a 30-page document purporting to be an anonymous complaint to the State
> Bar of California about Taitz has circulated on the Web. The Bar doesn?t
> comment on ongoing investigations; Taitz says she hasn?t been contacted
> about the complaint. Still, it?s a fairly exhaustive document of all the
> ways that Taitz may have crossed the line as a lawyer, from her out-of-court
> communications with judges to not-so-veiled calls for armed insurrection if
> the legal process doesn?t eventually get Obama removed. (In February, for
> example, the complaint alleges she posted, ?The simple fact is that we are
> long overdue for another Rebellion in this nation, and I heartily endorse
> the idea of having one again very soon, preferably starting THIS year!?)
>
> On that last charge, Orly-watchers are nervous. ?In my opinion, Orly
> herself is not dangerous in the sense that she would pull the trigger on the
> president,? says Haggard. ?She is dangerous in that she attracts people who
> might.?
>
> But Taitz?s following still appears to be strong, possibly because she?s
> the most omnivorous eligibility activist around: She simultaneously makes
> demands for Obama?s birth certificate while also arguing for a narrow
> reading of ?natural-born citizen.? In addition to her lawsuits on behalf of
> failed presidential candidates, she says, she has rounded up more than 100
> military officers?many of whom are retired?to sign on to her quo warranto
> legal pleadings that challenge the president (the argument being that a
> military officer has a right to know if the commander in chief is legit).
> And she has participated in quasi-legal activities, such as the ?citizen
> grand juries? that trace their legal authority back to the Magna Carta?s
> rules about lords and barons.
>
> ?She?s a tiger,? says Gail Lightfoot. ?She?s relentless. She?s not going to
> let go of this. She absolutely is not going to give up.?
>
> Taitz admits it gets hard sometimes. Her husband objects to all the time
> spent away from home, late-night phone calls and money spent flying across
> the country. Taitz wishes she could see her sons more. And she?s
> increasingly convinced her life is in danger, most likely because of
> personal attention from Obama. Two weeks ago, her husband?s car went to the
> shop with mechanical problems. Then her car had a fuel leak.
>
> And then she got this blog comment: ?Did you know that if you tried your
> citizens? arrest bullshit and tried to forcibly remove the president, I and
> millions of others would shoot you on spot and burn your body for the world
> to see???????? YOU LITTLE FUCK.? After filing a report with the Orange
> County Sheriff?s Department, she traced the commenter?s IP address to
> Everett, Washington. Suddenly, everything clicked. ?I?m wondering if it?s
> someone who knows Obama,? she says, ?because his mother, Anne Dunham, used
> to study at the University of Seattle, Washington. This person is at
> Everett, Washington, which is very close to Seattle.?
>
> She?s currently looking for volunteers to investigate the matter in
> Washington. And, if she needs to, Taitz will go there herself.
>
> *More about and from Orly Taitz can be found on Navel Gazing<http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/politics/super-fun-cover-story-suppleme/>.
> *
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>
> To: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] FW:  kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:31:29 -0500
>
> basically, you're just cynical and have no other argument than status quo.
>
> it's not significant that cook won a challenge to commander in chief orders
> for deployment.   the first ever disobedience of such an order based on
> contestation of our commander in chief's eligibility.
>
> obama let that happen on purpose because the lawyer, taitz, is an imbecile
> who, even though she scored a victory on that case, is about to be
> completely discredited next week when the kenyan birth certificate is proven
> to be a total hoax.  your cynicism should have cook deployed in afghanistan
> ready to be killed with all the other soldiers going up in flames there
> these days for no good reason.   but your cynicism already got pummeled week
> before last.   cook isn't going to afghanistan because the military didn't
> back up the commander in military court.  instead they ran scared.
>
> it's not a 40+ year hawaii conspiracy.  the fact is that in 1961 hawaii
> registered foreign births which appears to be the case with obama.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
>
> Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?
> Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with
> Barack?
>
> Josh
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on
> its face.
> taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to
> obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the
> challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment
> order.
>
> but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?
>   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and
> anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on
> the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
>
>
> Oooops,
>
> Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document,
> which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal
> Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
> Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?
> Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Post-colonial_history> says
> no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a
> Republic exactly one year later.
> Josh
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in
> court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american
> history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever
> known.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
>
> *BORN IN THE USA?*
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from
> Africa
> ------------------------------
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern
>
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>
>  WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for
> its authentication. <http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/>
>
>
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>
>  of birth <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> for
> Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
>
> The document lists Obama's parents<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> as
> Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the
> birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> of
> birth as Coast General Hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> in
> Mombasa, Kenya.
>
>
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
>
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the
> deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly
> issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
>
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
>
>
> An enlarged view of the bottom of
>
>  Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>,
> but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by
> Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
>
> Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't
> want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
>
> Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central
> District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ?
> both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be
> preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents
> from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State
> Hillary Clinton.
>
> "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which
> would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the
> government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the
> power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a
> deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the
> birth certificate].
>
> "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
>
> "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz
> explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet
> more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
>
>  Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among
> members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions
> surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
>
> Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida
> court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's
> case.
>
>  The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
>
> WND previously reported<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208> a
> judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked
> his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
>
> WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626> was
> that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire
> U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate
> control of a private citizen."
>
> Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it
> is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With
> that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,'
> he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
>
> The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian
> employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense
> and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the
> president's constitutional authority."
>
>  WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a
> "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No
> Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
> Office of President."
>
> Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he
> insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the
> suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American
> citizenship to her son under the law<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> at
> the time.
>
> Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a
> Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his
> birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the
> Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
>
> Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in
> the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth
> certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
>
> WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613> for
> Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
> Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia
> thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his
> scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical
> records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois
> State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption
> records.
>
> Developing ...
>
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Subject: Re: [eDebate] FW: kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM, rrach at juno.com <rrach at juno.com> wrote:

Meet Orly Taitz, Queen Bee of People Obsessed With Barack Obama's Birth Certificate

By Spencer Kornhaber
published: June 18, 2009
?         John Gilhooley



Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.: dentist, lawyer, mom, "eligibility" activist
?         Gustavo Arellano



Buena Park pastor Wiley Drake was Taitz's first plaintiff



Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, or as Taitz calls it, a "piece of garbage"
?         John Gilhooley



Lightfoot V. Bowen, the case Taitz claims was "deleted" from the Supreme Court's docket. "This, actually, might be another Watergate," she says

Birth of an Obsession
With her strong will, busy travel schedule and breathless blogging, Laguna Niguel dentist Orly Taitz has become the most controversial figure in the effort to prove that President Barack Obama is foreign-born


Before she addressed the chief justice of the Supreme Court of the United States on March 13, Dr. Orly Taitz thought about his son and her sons and nearly started to cry. 


This was after she had woken up at 3 a.m., headed to Kinko?s in Laguna Niguel, photocopied hundreds of pages, gotten on Interstate 5 heading south, answered questions on her cell phone from a radio station, caught a flight in San Diego, sat for a few hours in Salt Lake City, caught another flight, landed in Spokane, picked up a rental car, driven two hours in falling snow along the Washington-Idaho border, parked, entered University Ballroom at the University of Idaho, and then taken a seat to listen to a speech from Chief Justice John Roberts.


?This is a man who has his priorities straight,? said the law-school faculty member who introduced Roberts, going on to describe how Roberts had skipped part of the pre-event reception to be at his son?s baseball game. 


That got Taitz thinking. She has three sons: One?s a singer with an ?Elvis Presley voice,? another is a tenth-grade AP student who loves math and basketball, and another is studying to be a doctor at an Ivy League school. Since November of last year, Taitz has been ?criss-crossing the country?; talking with activists, law-enforcement officers and government officials; filing lawsuits and finding plaintiffs; and speaking at events. She has had to hire extra help at her two dental offices; she can count on one hand the number of times she has been able to sit down and watch TV; and, worst, she has missed awards ceremonies, sports tournaments and family dinners with her sons. Her mascara-rimmed eyes teared up as she thought about all the time she?s never getting back.


After Roberts gave his talk, he took questions from the audience. Taitz, in her black, turtleneck sweater and gold pendant, was the first person at the microphone. She explained that she was a lawyer who had come all the way from Southern California. She asked Roberts whether he was ?aware of some illegal activity that is going on in the Supreme Court of the United States,? and then mentioned that she had printed out a petition with hundreds of thousands of signatures asking for an investigation into the fact that ?Barack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, is totally ineligible to be president.? Audience members chuckled as she was interrupted by Roberts??Thank you very much, ma?am??and told that she could hand her suitcase full of documents to the security personnel in the room.


*     *     * 

Outside the Santa Ana Courthouse in April, the day that disgraced ex-sheriff Mike Carona was to be sentenced for witness tampering, Taitz met with the Orange County press corps. The journalists had assembled to cover the ruling, but they instead found themselves being addressed by a woman with blond hair, long eyelashes, a low-cut blouse and hands full of binders. Taitz first approached the TV camera crews, but after a few moments of chatter, they directed her to the reporters a few feet away. ?I know you,? she said to then-Los Angeles Times staff writer Christine Hanley?who, Taitz then implied, worked for Obama. As she handed out bound-and-laminated copies of her hundred-page legal pleadings to reporters, including the Weekly?s R. Scott Moxley, Taitz smiled and pontificated in her Eastern European accent about the clerks of the Supreme Court whom she believed had been sabotaging her lawsuits.


There?s a term some use for people like Taitz, and she doesn?t like it. It?s ?birther??or, if you want to be really mean, ?birfer.? (The controversy was born on the Internet, so naturally the Internet gave it a goofy name.) While rumors about Obama?s background and citizenship simmered throughout the 2008 presidential campaign, after Election Day, those rumors coalesced into a near-religion for a group of true believers. To Taitz and the unknown number of people who agree with her, Barack Obama isn?t president and probably wasn?t even born in the U.S. Taitz, a Laguna Niguel dentist with a law degree from an online academy, has been awarded a few creative variations on the birther term: ?The Queen Bee of Birferstan? is probably the best.


?That?s demeaning,? Taitz says. ?I don?t call anybody names.?

This isn?t quite true. She calls Obama a ?usurper? and an ?arrogant jerk from Africa and Indonesia.? She called a judge an ?idiot.? And she calls anyone who stands in her way an ?Obama thug.? Taitz has built a sizable following on her blog; in the comments for each post at orlytaitzesq.com, you can read a few more names for people whom Taitz doesn?t like: ?traitors,? ?Muslims,? ?terrorists.? 


In the past eight months, Taitz?s face has become one of the most recognizable of what its adherents prefer to call the ?eligibility? movement, and her actions have been some of the most controversial. Her end goal is simple?to remove Obama from office?but her methods have sometimes put her at odds with other anti-Obama activists. And that?s not to mention the legion of Obama supporters who have assembled evidence claiming that Taitz is, at best, a liar and, at worst, treasonous.


Ask about Taitz?s motivations, and she?ll tell you about her background. She immigrated to the United States from Israel in 1987; before Israel, she lived in what was then the Soviet Socialist Republic of Moldavia. She says it?s her upbringing that initially caused her to be suspicious of Obama. ?I was just like any other mom; I didn?t do anything different from any other mother,? she says, her accent turning mother into muddah. ?And it?s just during this last election, I became really concerned because I came from a communist country. I saw the things that Obama is saying that really did not make sense and that concerned me. One, of course, that had to do with the all-civilian army. And I saw footage of children dressed in uniforms, saluting Obama and doing drills. That reminded me of young communists.?


(Unsure what she?s referring to? Google ?Obama civilian army? and ?Obama children drills.? That?ll bring up the appropriate World Net Daily articles and FOX News clips.)


The mistrust turned into something stronger when Taitz received an e-mail claiming there was evidence that Obama wasn?t born in America. ?At first, I thought it was a hoax,? she says. ?I didn?t believe it.? But then, in October, she filled out the ?contact? form on the California Secretary of State website, asking if the secretary verifies the eligibility of presidential candidates. The response was no. ?I was shocked,? Taitz says. 


She fired off a round of letters to the editors of local newspapers, arguing that Obama didn?t meet the constitutional requirements to be president. The only one to publish her words was the Westminster Herald. But that was enough. Someone read the letter in the newspaper and called Taitz at her dental office to invite her to speak at an upcoming meeting of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, the far-right anti-immigrant group whose projects include a boycott of Mexico. There, she told the story of her own legal immigration to the United States, and afterward, she was approached by Buena Park radio pastor Wiley Drake (recently in the news because he publicly admitted to praying for Obama?s death). After chatting a little about immigration, the conversation turned to Obama?s birth certificate. Drake invited Taitz onto his radio show. On the air, the two discussed what they thought of the Usurper, and then Drake asked, ?Well, what can we do?? 


Taitz?s answer: ?We can sue.?

This would not be the first lawsuit filed to challenge Obama. Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg made headlines in August 2008 by attempting to block the Democratic National Committee?s endorsement of Obama. Berg is a Democrat with history: He?d once served as Montgomery County Democratic Party chairman and as deputy attorney general in that state. He supported Hillary Clinton?s candidacy, but he insists his problem with Obama is constitutional, not political. He also had spent part of the past seven years suing the Bush administration to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. A judge threw out his first Obama suit for one reason: standing. Berg couldn?t prove he would be materially damaged by Obama?s presidency.


In Taitz?s mind, Drake?s being a vice-presidential candidate running on the American Independent ticket with Alan Keyes gave him standing. So Taitz filed her first eligibility lawsuit, Keyes v. Bowen, on Nov. 13, asking that California Secretary of State Debra Bowen investigate Obama (see Matt Coker?s ?The Preacher vs. the President-elect,? Dec. 17, 2008).


But her real entrance onto the national stage came in early December. Political activist Robert Schulz is an engineer by trade, but he bills himself as a constitutional scholar. Others merely call him a tax cheat: A federal judge held him in contempt of court in May 2008 for refusing to comply with an earlier injunction ordering his We the People Foundation to stop teaching people how to ?legally? avoid payroll taxes (it wasn?t legal). But later that year, his cause wasn?t taxes; it was Obama. Schulz took out two full-page ads in the Chicago Tribune asking President-elect Obama to hand over a number of documents at a press conference Schulz would be holding on Dec. 8.


Obama didn?t show up for the conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. (Schulz had rented out the room), but Taitz did. So did Berg and a number of other activists and lawyers agitating against Obama. Taitz, who was invited by Schulz, spoke for several dozen minutes about her legal actions against Obama. ?She was interesting,? Schulz says. ?I could tell she hadn?t been through press conferences before. Instead of good, short, powerful statements . . . God bless her, but she had a tendency to want to go through all the details. She?s passionate, no question about that.?


The conference earned Taitz mentions on Slate and Salon; the latter reported that ?Taitz . . . kept making stranger and stranger assertions. At one point, she asked why the government had fined broadcasters for Janet Jackson?s ?wardrobe malfunction,? but didn?t intervene to force the media to report on Obama?s allegedly phony birth certificate.?


A few days earlier, the California Supreme Court had dismissed Taitz?s lawsuit asking for an emergency order to halt certification of the election results on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the Libertarian vice-presidential candidate who had been on Ron Paul?s ticket in California. The dismissal just led Taitz to refile in the United States Supreme Court on Dec. 12. But on the day after the presidential inauguration came an event that seemed to shake Taitz to her core: She says her case inexplicably ?disappeared? from the court?s online docket. It was only after ?hundreds? of phone calls from Taitz and her supporters that, a day later, the case reappeared. Workers in the Supreme Court?s office told her it was due to a computer glitch that affected multiple cases. To Taitz, the whole thing smacked of foul play.


?I don?t know if it was hacking from outside, or whether it was hacking from inside, or if it was someone who works within the Supreme Court did it in order to show there are no challenges to Obama?s eligibility, but this is a serious issue,? Taitz says. ?I think this is more of a scandal than many other issues. This, actually, might be another Watergate.?


On Jan. 26, the court declined to hear that case. Taitz thought she should try to find out why. She showed up at a lecture being given by Justice Antonin Scalia in Los Angeles and asked, during the Q&A session, whether he would hear her lawsuit. ?He said, ?Bring the case,?? she recalls. ?So I said, ?Well, why didn?t you hear the previous case, Lightfoot v. Bowen? And he kept saying, ?I don?t know. I don?t remember. I don?t know.?? During the book-signing after Scalia?s talk, Taitz made sure she was the last person in line. When she got face-to-face with the justice, she had him sign two books?including a tome costing more than $100?to have more time to grill him about Lightfoot. The answers she got, Taitz says, were troubling: The court?s clerks must have prevented him from reading her pleadings and those of other eligibility lawsuits. To her, that?s the only plausible reason why he wouldn?t remember.


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It?s difficult to estimate how many people believe that Obama isn?t eligible to be president. Berg claims the number is around 15 million (he?d like to see awareness reach 75 million, at least). World Net Daily, a right-wing news site that publishes a steady stream of Obama-slamming stories, reportedly has gathered 380,000 signatures for its petition related to the matter. But, as with any online petition, there?s no way to know how many of those are duplicates or fakes. Taitz has been able to direct her readers to flood government officials with so many e-mails, phone messages and letters that they eventually return her phone calls. 


What isn?t difficult is understanding why someone would buy the eligibility idea. Taitz, even with her tendency to misuse pronouns and mispronounce words, can put together an explanation in a few minutes that actually sounds compelling.


It goes like this: 

Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the president of the United States must be, among other things, a ?natural-born citizen.? There?s disagreement as to what that means (more on that later), but there?s no dispute that it requires a president to have been an American citizen at the time of his or her birth. Obama says he was born in Honolulu in 1961, but he has never publicly produced his original birth certificate?that piece of paper parents get when they have a new child, which features the name of the hospital as well as the name of the attending physician. Responding to rumors that Obama?s middle name is ?Muhammad,? the Obama campaign in June 2008 published a scanned image of his Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), a short-form printout that doesn?t list hospital or doctor. 


Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of Obama?s COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits saying it?s a forgery. There?s a law on the books in Hawaii that allows foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a late-registered COLB doesn?t need to be verified by anyone; it?s based solely on the testimony of one parent. On top of all that, there?s a recording and transcript of Obama?s Kenyan grandmother telling an interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa. And in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan; at the time, though, there was a ban on American passport holders entering that country.


In light of all these and other facts, Taitz argues that Obama should be forced to release his entire hospital-birthing file, passport information and college records.


The problem is most of the above facts aren?t true.

For starters, the Pakistan ?travel ban? is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article. The full transcript from Obama?s grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya?in fact, she repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn?t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama?s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those ?forensic experts? who say Obama?s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two haven?t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went by the moniker ?TechDude?), and the other merely said that she can?t make a determination of a document?s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.


Still, the question remains: Where?s the birth certificate? In fact, there?s an electronic billboard in Buena Park, off Interstate 5 near Beach Boulevard, asking that very question. It?s owned by World Net Daily; one of its reporters, Les Kinsolving, brought the issue up at a White House press briefing on May 27. ?It?s on the Internet,? Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs chuckled. ?I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that we?ll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy.?


Aside from World Net Daily, more traditional conservative media sources?not to mention politicians?have condemned the birth-certificate question as a waste of time. In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as ?crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters.? Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.


Even if Obama?s long-form, original birth certificate were to be made public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn?t stop. Because there?s a second argument: that there?s no way that Obama could fit the definition of a ?natural-born citizen.? By turning to Swiss philosophy texts read by the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous Scott v. Sanford Supreme Court decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former slave Dred Scott and was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency of Chester A. Arthur, Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a natural-born citizen if both parents were American citizens at the time of the baby?s birth. Obama?s Kenyan father was a British subject. 


While mainstream news sources such as Politifact and FactCheck.org have tried to debunk the bulk of the eligibility argument, the best place to see all the evidence is at the coterie of ?anti-birther? websites that have sprung up. ObamaConspiracy.org, for example, meticulously examines each and every eligibility claim, almost wholly relying on original research and primary documents. NativeBornCitizen.wordpress.com goes through eligibility lawsuits and argues with them, point by point. 


It sometimes seems as though the ?anti-birther? community is just as obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com, there?s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as ?Orly?s Facebook Page? and ?How Long Until Orly?s Breakdown?? At YesToDemocracy.com, bloggers provide regular updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the ?nitrous-huffing,? ?cavity creep? that is Orly Taitz. 


?It?s just fascinating,? says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab?s Orly Taitz forum. ?She runs around the country doing things that amount to absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ?files? all sorts of documents, but she never files anything. She drops stuff off.? 


Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy puts it a different way: ?There?s a certain amount of fascination with unbridled insanity, and that?s what you?re seeing with the birthers: a level of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.?


*     *     * 

Orly Taitz owes any fame she has to the Internet, so when her blogs started acting strangely, she got upset. In the first months of 2009, she posted updates about her legal cases on both drorly.blogspot.com and defendourfreedoms.us. But they would become unavailable without notice, and users would face porn pop-ups and warnings that they were entering a site that could damage their computer. Worse, the PayPal account she used to raise donations wouldn?t accept new contributions. Like any law-abiding citizen would, she sent complaints about these ?cyber-crimes? to the local police, the FBI and the Supreme Court of the United States. 


While Taitz believed she had been hacked?possibly by Obama thugs?her New Jersey-based webmaster, Lisa Ostella, wasn?t so sure. If Taitz?s site had been hacked, that would mean the security of all of Ostella?s clients was compromised. So, in March, she asked Taitz to rescind her complaint to the FBI and stop making unsubstantiated claims about hacking, or else find a new webmaster. Taitz opted for the latter.


It?s not totally clear what happened, but defendourfreedoms.us ended up in Ostella?s hands, and Taitz says that a commenter using the handle ?Agent 88? started posting nasty things about her. To Taitz, there was no doubt: This was Lisa Liberi, a paralegal working for Philip Berg, the Pennsylvania eligibility attorney. Weeks earlier, someone had told Taitz that Liberi had a criminal record, so she investigated. She found that a woman named Lisa Liberi had a long rap sheet of fraud, forgery and theft in San Bernardino. Taitz sent Berg a ?Ceize and Desist? [sic] letter, telling Berg to investigate Liberi (she also accused him of plagiarizing her legal pleadings, an accusation he has in turn leveled at her). Then she sent out ?Dossier #6? (Taitz has a habit of sending out ?dossiers? of Obama-related miscellanea to government officials) to, supposedly, 26,000 media outlets. In the dossier: Liberi?s home address, phone number and full Social Security number.


And that?s how Taitz ended up being sued by Berg, Ostella, Liberi and others in federal court in Pennsylvania. On May 17, Berg posted on his website, ObamaCrimes.com: 


I regretfully advise you that I had to file a lawsuit against Orly Taitz, Esquire, as she has gone too far. Months ago, I advised Orly that I would not work with her because our legal styles were so different.


However, I decided not to bad mouth her.

Well, Orly decided to take me down and she states through my very able paralegal, Lisa [sic]. I cannot understand why she would want to take me down unless she?s working for Obama.


Ostella declined to comment for this story. For Berg, the lawsuit?for slander, privacy violations and harassment?offered a chance for him to finally say what he?d been thinking about Taitz: She?s a menace and possibly an Obama plant. ?When you really look at what she has accomplished over the past couple of months, I think it?s nothing,? Berg says. ?She?s hurt the cause. I suggest she goes back to practicing dentistry.? Berg says the headlines she generates, about ambushing Supreme Court justices and allegations of government-perpetrated hacking, only serve to make the eligibility movement look nuts. ?And we?re not nuts,? Berg says.


Taitz maintains that she was only spreading information that was already public about Liberi, and she has speculated that Berg might be the one working for Obama. But the lawsuit has divided the eligibility community of online-radio hosts and bloggers into two camps: for Taitz and against her. A few people who previously worked with Taitz no longer will speak on the record about her, for fear of her posting their personal information on her blog and directing her followers to harass them. And in the past month or so, a 30-page document purporting to be an anonymous complaint to the State Bar of California about Taitz has circulated on the Web. The Bar doesn?t comment on ongoing investigations; Taitz says she hasn?t been contacted about the complaint. Still, it?s a fairly exhaustive document of all the ways that Taitz may have crossed the line as a lawyer, from her out-of-court communications with judges to not-so-veiled calls for armed insurrection if the legal process doesn?t eventually get Obama removed. (In February, for example, the complaint alleges she posted, ?The simple fact is that we are long overdue for another Rebellion in this nation, and I heartily endorse the idea of having one again very soon, preferably starting THIS year!?)


On that last charge, Orly-watchers are nervous. ?In my opinion, Orly herself is not dangerous in the sense that she would pull the trigger on the president,? says Haggard. ?She is dangerous in that she attracts people who might.?


But Taitz?s following still appears to be strong, possibly because she?s the most omnivorous eligibility activist around: She simultaneously makes demands for Obama?s birth certificate while also arguing for a narrow reading of ?natural-born citizen.? In addition to her lawsuits on behalf of failed presidential candidates, she says, she has rounded up more than 100 military officers?many of whom are retired?to sign on to her quo warranto legal pleadings that challenge the president (the argument being that a military officer has a right to know if the commander in chief is legit). And she has participated in quasi-legal activities, such as the ?citizen grand juries? that trace their legal authority back to the Magna Carta?s rules about lords and barons.


?She?s a tiger,? says Gail Lightfoot. ?She?s relentless. She?s not going to let go of this. She absolutely is not going to give up.?

Taitz admits it gets hard sometimes. Her husband objects to all the time spent away from home, late-night phone calls and money spent flying across the country. Taitz wishes she could see her sons more. And she?s increasingly convinced her life is in danger, most likely because of personal attention from Obama. Two weeks ago, her husband?s car went to the shop with mechanical problems. Then her car had a fuel leak. 


And then she got this blog comment: ?Did you know that if you tried your citizens? arrest bullshit and tried to forcibly remove the president, I and millions of others would shoot you on spot and burn your body for the world to see???????? YOU LITTLE FUCK.? After filing a report with the Orange County Sheriff?s Department, she traced the commenter?s IP address to Everett, Washington. Suddenly, everything clicked. ?I?m wondering if it?s someone who knows Obama,? she says, ?because his mother, Anne Dunham, used to study at the University of Seattle, Washington. This person is at Everett, Washington, which is very close to Seattle.? 


She?s currently looking for volunteers to investigate the matter in Washington. And, if she needs to, Taitz will go there herself.

More about and from Orly Taitz can be found on Navel Gazing. 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>
To: <edebate at ndtceda.com>

Subject: [eDebate] FW:  kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:31:29 -0500

basically, you're just cynical and have no other argument than status quo.



it's not significant that cook won a challenge to commander in chief orders for deployment.   the first ever disobedience of such an order based on contestation of our commander in chief's eligibility.



obama let that happen on purpose because the lawyer, taitz, is an imbecile who, even though she scored a victory on that case, is about to be completely discredited next week when the kenyan birth certificate is proven to be a total hoax.  your cynicism should have cook deployed in afghanistan ready to be killed with all the other soldiers going up in flames there these days for no good reason.   but your cynicism already got pummeled week before last.   cook isn't going to afghanistan because the military didn't back up the commander in military court.  instead they ran scared.   



it's not a 40+ year hawaii conspiracy.  the fact is that in 1961 hawaii registered foreign births which appears to be the case with obama.



Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com

To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com



Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?  Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with Barack?  
 
Josh


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:


i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on its face. 


taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment order.




but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?    








Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com

CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com 





Oooops,
 
Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document, which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?

Wikipedia says no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a Republic exactly one year later.


Josh

 
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:


dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever known.    


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764



BORN IN THE USA?

Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa



Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDaily 


WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.






This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961


The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.






Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961


No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.






An enlarged view of the bottom of 





Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."

Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."




Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.




The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."

Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."

The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."




WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

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From john at wjsullivan.net  Tue Aug  4 11:16:19 2009
From: john at wjsullivan.net (John Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:16:19 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Contact with Michigan HS debater Justin Gawronski?
Message-ID: <87my6fd06k.fsf@myles.home.wjsullivan.net>

I didn't realize that the student whose 1984 homework Amazon ate is a
Michigan high school debater (see http://www.slate.com/id/2223214/,
http://www.fsf.org/news/amazon-kindle-drm-petition and
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/amazon1984). Could anyone put me in
contact with him?

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From bratt at capitol-debate.com  Tue Aug  4 13:42:56 2009
From: bratt at capitol-debate.com (bratt at capitol-debate.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:42:56 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
Message-ID: <20090804114256.8cce6020757326d78a2cd7ce56dd3822.c9bf781ed0.wbe@email.secureserver.net>

Capitol Debate is pleased to announce that Daryl Burch has been hired as
the full time coach of the Howard County Debate Teams and the McDonogh
School.  He will be leading up the consortium of debate teams in Howard
County traveling nationally this year including Centennial, River Hill,
Glenelg, Mt. Hebron, Oakland Mills, Wilde Lake, and Howard High School. 
The Howard County national travel team will have 42 debaters traveling
nationally under Daryl Burch to Wake Forest, GDS, Bronx, Capitol Debate
Fall Classic, Glenbrooks, Ohio Valley, MBA, Emory, Pennsbury, Harvard,
Lakeland, Woodward Nationals, NDCA and others.

Ronald Bratt




From jbhdb8 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 13:56:08 2009
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:56:08 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
In-Reply-To: <20090804114256.8cce6020757326d78a2cd7ce56dd3822.c9bf781ed0.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090804114256.8cce6020757326d78a2cd7ce56dd3822.c9bf781ed0.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <f6ec14bb0908041156w2118b53dga6e4e31973c3efe2@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Daryl!!!!!

Josh

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM, <bratt at capitol-debate.com> wrote:

> Capitol Debate is pleased to announce that Daryl Burch has been hired as
> the full time coach of the Howard County Debate Teams and the McDonogh
> School.  He will be leading up the consortium of debate teams in Howard
> County traveling nationally this year including Centennial, River Hill,
> Glenelg, Mt. Hebron, Oakland Mills, Wilde Lake, and Howard High School.
> The Howard County national travel team will have 42 debaters traveling
> nationally under Daryl Burch to Wake Forest, GDS, Bronx, Capitol Debate
> Fall Classic, Glenbrooks, Ohio Valley, MBA, Emory, Pennsbury, Harvard,
> Lakeland, Woodward Nationals, NDCA and others.
>
> Ronald Bratt
>
>
>
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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  4 14:00:10 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:00:10 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
In-Reply-To: <20090804114256.8cce6020757326d78a2cd7ce56dd3822.c9bf781ed0.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
References: <20090804114256.8cce6020757326d78a2cd7ce56dd3822.c9bf781ed0.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <SNT121-W12A10E672D064BEFB28AFCD30C0@phx.gbl>


Right on Daryl!!

 

Congrats man, this is awesome!

 

OG








Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


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> From: bratt at capitol-debate.com
> To: edebate at ndtceda.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:42:56 -0700
> Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
> 
> Capitol Debate is pleased to announce that Daryl Burch has been hired as
> the full time coach of the Howard County Debate Teams and the McDonogh
> School. He will be leading up the consortium of debate teams in Howard
> County traveling nationally this year including Centennial, River Hill,
> Glenelg, Mt. Hebron, Oakland Mills, Wilde Lake, and Howard High School. 
> The Howard County national travel team will have 42 debaters traveling
> nationally under Daryl Burch to Wake Forest, GDS, Bronx, Capitol Debate
> Fall Classic, Glenbrooks, Ohio Valley, MBA, Emory, Pennsbury, Harvard,
> Lakeland, Woodward Nationals, NDCA and others.
> 
> Ronald Bratt
> 
> 
> 
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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:31:10 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:31:10 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Congrats to Richard Tews, new DOD at UNI!!
In-Reply-To: <SNT121-W12A10E672D064BEFB28AFCD30C0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <SNT121-W32F7D432044F6EC54D2302D30C0@phx.gbl>


It is with a very happy heart that I send "congo-rats" to Richard M. Tews, the new Director of Debate at the University of Northern Iowa.

 

Richard has served 5 years as the Assistant Director of Forensics at Weber State (the longest serving ADOF in the 89 year history of the program).  He took a chance on Weber State when times were very, very hard for us. He not only showed courage assuming the risk, but he did with excellence and grace. Richard has a deep intuitive understanding of this simple concept that seems to elude so many 'smart people' in our community: "You can't CHASE success, you have to BUILD it."  I never had to sell him on the virtue of patience; if anything, he reminded me of it.

 

I will miss you Rich.  Because of your contributions, you are leaving WSU Debate stronger than when you found it: organizationally more sound, politically more astute, financially more stable, and perhaps most importantly, more humane...and just.  Thank you for helping restore WSU Debate's reputation, and Weber State's faith in intercollegiate debate.

 

I am sure the University of Northern Iowa will be a good home for you.  But Ogden will miss you.  

 

And Veronica and I will miss you too.

 

Alot.

 

Adios mi amigo,

 

Omar, WSU Debate, and Weber State University








Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM
 
 



 



From: oguevara at hotmail.com
To: bratt at capitol-debate.com; edebate at ndtceda.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:00:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach



Right on Daryl!!
 
Congrats man, this is awesome!
 
OG








Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM
 
 



  
> From: bratt at capitol-debate.com
> To: edebate at ndtceda.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:42:56 -0700
> Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
> 
> Capitol Debate is pleased to announce that Daryl Burch has been hired as
> the full time coach of the Howard County Debate Teams and the McDonogh
> School. He will be leading up the consortium of debate teams in Howard
> County traveling nationally this year including Centennial, River Hill,
> Glenelg, Mt. Hebron, Oakland Mills, Wilde Lake, and Howard High School. 
> The Howard County national travel team will have 42 debaters traveling
> nationally under Daryl Burch to Wake Forest, GDS, Bronx, Capitol Debate
> Fall Classic, Glenbrooks, Ohio Valley, MBA, Emory, Pennsbury, Harvard,
> Lakeland, Woodward Nationals, NDCA and others.
> 
> Ronald Bratt
> 
> 
> 
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From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 18:17:07 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:17:07 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Scranton/Langan (HS) Invite
Message-ID: <524839830908041617u2a61d776mbaba9e31cb67d82a@mail.gmail.com>

Registration is now open for the 2009 James M. Langan Invitational hosted by
Scranton High School on November 6th & 7th, 2009.  We look forward to
providing both Varsity and Novice competition in Speech, Policy,
Lincoln-Douglas, Public Forum, and Congress Events.  This year?s tournament
will include free wireless internet, three full meals, great looking awards
for top finishers in each division, and a lot of ?True Scranton
Hospitality?.

Due to a new food service provider beginning in the district our entry fees
will be $15/student entry.  This includes registration, three meals (2
dinners and 1 lunch), a light breakfast on Saturday, and awards.

The tournament website is located at (
http://www.scrantondebate.com/2009langaninvitational/).  Here you will find
all the necessary tournament information along with a link to register on
Joy of Tournaments.  If you have any questions regarding the tournament
please email me at Langan.Invitational at gmail.com.

We also plan on hosting a Policy Round Robin on Wednesday November 4th and
Thursday November 5th, 2009.  This Round Robin will be extremely inexpensive
and is being planned to be held in one of the most well established law
firms in Northeastern Pennsylvania. We have also been able to secure the
same tournament hotel rate for the Round Robin at the Radisson - Lackawanna
Station Hotel. All interested teams/directors should contact me at
Langan.Invitational at gmail.com.  Invitations will be sent out in early
September.

Please join us in Scranton to kick off the fall season.  We look forward to
seeing you.


-- 
Brian Manuel
Tournament Director - James M. Langan Speech and Debate Invitational
Debate Coach - Lakeland District Debate
Debate Coach - Harvard Debate Inc.
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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Wed Aug  5 09:41:12 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:41:12 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by U.S. Military Academy
Message-ID: <1A9B6F8E3FDB48A082DCE662E2C4B981@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:42nd Annual West Point Debate Tournament 
Starts:10/16/2009
Ends:10/18/2009
Hosted by: U.S. Military Academy
Contact: Andy Brosnan
Address: Department of Social Sciences / 607 Cullum Road / West Point, NY  10997
Phone: 845-938-0017
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False
Divisions Offered: 
Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Junior Varsity with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From maggiekb at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 12:39:53 2009
From: maggiekb at gmail.com (Maggie Berthiaume)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:39:53 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] NDCA Open Evidence Project
Message-ID: <d91ee8180908051039u6ed66694m8f6fdb6ad6e194b0@mail.gmail.com>

The 2009-2010 National Debate Coaches Association Open Evidence
project is now up! This is a free service that provides debaters and
coaches with more than a thousand files from debate institutes across
the country. We are still busy uploading files, but we wanted to make
them available to you. You can find us at:
http://www.debatecoaches.org/openevidence/.

A big thank-you goes out to Mike Bietz, NDCA President, who set up the
website and performed consistent and valuable troubleshooting. Also
thanks to the NDCA board members who volunteered to upload workshop
files throughout the summer.

Below are some helpful FAQs to help navigate your way through this.
website:

1 ? How do I search for files?
One of the perks of our new system is the variety of ways that you can
find files. You can just scroll through the posts (each file is
uploaded as a ?post?) and browse through files by workshop or by
category. You can click on the category on the side of the screen to
either view files by institute OR by argument category. For example,
you can look at all of the counterplans generated by institutes by
clicking on Policy-Counterplans. You can also just ?search? for a file
in the search toolbox at the top. For example, you could search for
the biopower kritik by searching biopower OR searching Foucault.

2- Do I need a password?
Simply, no. To access a file, click on the file you want to view and
then click the link for the file. The file will then download
automatically.

3 ? How do I know when new files are being posted since files will
be uploaded continually the next few weeks?
There are a few ways. First, the files are listed as ?posts? with the
most recent posts being shown on the Open Evidence Project homepage
(debatecoaches.org/openevidence). Visiting the homepage each day will
show you the latest posts.

You can also subscribe to RSS feeds and email alerts if you would like
to be notified when new files are posted.

4 ? When I search for a file, it only shows one result, but I know
that more than one workshop wrote the file. What gives?
You should see a link that says ?Older Posts? above the search result.
You can scroll through the ?Older Posts? and find all of the results
for that particular file. Remember you can also search by workshop for
specific workshop files.

5 ? How do I show my appreciation for this resource?

Attend one of the institutes that agreed to donate their files.

Become a member of the NDCA. As always, every resource that the NDCA
provides is free of charge to the community. We run our projects on
the good will of many in the community. However, if you find that our
resources make an impact on your program, a simple $25.00 annual
membership fee is a great way to continue the viability of this
organization. You can register at debatecoaches.org?this is also a
good reminder to renew for the 2009-2010 school year!

6 ? I have questions. Who do I email?
Your first line of defense is Maggie Berthiaume at
berthiaumem at fultonschools.org or Tracy McFarland at
tmcfarland at jesuitschools.org. If one of us can?t answer your question,
we will try to find someone that can.

From miwascher at aol.com  Wed Aug  5 13:22:11 2009
From: miwascher at aol.com (Mike Wascher)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:22:11 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1249491601.19649.edebate@www.ndtceda.com>
References: <mailman.1.1249491601.19649.edebate@www.ndtceda.com>
Message-ID: <F9DC753C7E1A464E87BCA16A591D0779@yourm5d4u9r2uv>


Although I have known of Daryl for some time based on his work with duPont
Manual in Louisville, this summer I worked at the Capitol Classic debate
camp and got to know Daryl as a coach and now a friend.

Debaters from Howard County schools and Capitol Debate are very fortunate to
have a very competent coach and a even greater person in charge.

Mike Wascher

-----Original Message-----
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:42:56 -0700
From: bratt at capitol-debate.com
Subject: [eDebate] Daryl Burch joins Capitol Debate as New Head Coach
To: edebate at ndtceda.com
Message-ID:
    Capitol Debate is pleased to announce that Daryl Burch has been hired as
the full time coach of the Howard County Debate Teams and the McDonogh
School.  He will be leading up the consortium of debate teams in Howard
County traveling nationally this year including Centennial, River Hill,
Glenelg, Mt. Hebron, Oakland Mills, Wilde Lake, and Howard High School. 
The Howard County national travel team will have 42 debaters traveling
nationally under Daryl Burch to Wake Forest, GDS, Bronx, Capitol Debate
Fall Classic, Glenbrooks, Ohio Valley, MBA, Emory, Pennsbury, Harvard,
Lakeland, Woodward Nationals, NDCA and others.

Ronald Bratt



From don1299 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  5 14:17:37 2009
From: don1299 at hotmail.com (Donny Peters)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:17:37 +0000
Subject: [eDebate] Illinois State Debate Tournament, Jan 8-10, 2010
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References: <20090803.154201.7208.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
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Dear Colleagues: Illinois State University plans to host a debate tournament on January 8-10 2010. We intend to offer Open, Junior Varsity and Novice divisions. The tournament will consist of 8 preliminary rounds plus an appropriate number of elimination debates for each division. An official invitation will come out soon. We promise excellent hospitality, and an efficiently ran tournament at a reasonable cost. I hope you will consider joining us in Bloomington-Normal in January.

thanks,

Donny Peters
Director of Debate
Illinois  State University

Nathan Stewart
Graduate Debate Assistant
Illinois State University

Kevin R. Meyer, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor and Director of Forensics
Illinois State University 

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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Wed Aug  5 14:32:16 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:32:16 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Nevada Las Vegas
Message-ID: <FB244C0DE6094AF08D0BD796549BF81E@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Vegas Classic Invitational Debate Tournament-UNLV
Starts:10/3/2009
Ends:10/5/2009
Hosted by: Nevada Las Vegas 
Contact: Jacob Thompson
Address: 4505 Maryland Parkway Box 45052 Las Vegas, NV 89154-4052
Phone: 702-809-9670
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False
Divisions Offered: 
Open with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Doubles
JV with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Novice with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Semis
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Wed Aug  5 14:36:10 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:36:10 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Nevada Las Vegas
Message-ID: <F645E0E9A8DA45188122FE471958174A@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Vegas Classic ROUND ROBIN Tournament
Starts:9/30/2009
Ends:10/1/2009
Hosted by: Nevada Las Vegas 
Contact: Jacob Thompson
Address: 4505 Maryland Parkway Box 45052 Las Vegas, NV 89154-4052
Phone: 702-809-9670
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False
Divisions Offered: 
Round Robin Teams with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu  Wed Aug  5 14:55:36 2009
From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:55:36 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Debate Tournaments in Vegas!
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From lenehan20 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  5 17:42:04 2009
From: lenehan20 at hotmail.com (Katherine Lavelle)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:42:04 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] University of Northern Iowa welcomes Rich Tews!
In-Reply-To: <SNT121-W32F7D432044F6EC54D2302D30C0@phx.gbl>
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We are pleased to announce that after a competitive search, we have hired Rich Tews as the new Director of Debate at UNI. Rich comes to us after 5 excellent years of coaching at Weber and 2 at Miami University. Rich will bring a lot to our program, and I'm looking forward to working with him again. Cate and Rich are working together right now to facilitate our leadership transition to Rich as our debate director. I'm very appreciative of Cate's contributions and advocacy of our program at UNI. As I have transitioned into my role as DOF this past year, it was incredibly helpful to have a person who was such a wonderful resource on staff. 

Rich and I look forward to hosting many of you when you attend our tournament next month! :)

All the best,
Kate

Katherine L. Lavelle

Director of Forensics
University of Northern Iowa 



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From edebate at anumbersgame.net  Wed Aug  5 17:46:56 2009
From: edebate at anumbersgame.net (A Numbers Game edebate)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:46:56 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Debate Tournaments in Vegas!
In-Reply-To: <OF55A4C660.1732B66C-ON88257609.006D75DE-88257609.006D75E2@unlv.edu>
References: <OF55A4C660.1732B66C-ON88257609.006D75DE-88257609.006D75E2@unlv.edu>
Message-ID: <739f03b0908051546x1f892496kdfa4e5a76c9e06a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, <Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu> wrote:
> 2)        HIGH QUALITY COMPETITION?We were the 5th largest debate tournament
> in America last year and will only continue to grow in size and competition
> quality as time goes on.

DebateResults.com shows 78 teams competing at the UNLV invitational
last year, which makes it tied (with the NDT) for the 18th/19th
largest tournament in the 2008-2009 season.

This does not include any other formats of forensic competition.

From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Wed Aug  5 17:55:59 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:55:59 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by San Francisco State
Message-ID: <2552C4FFF7C44E47AF8369F508965C41@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Golden Gate Season Opener
Starts:9/18/2009
Ends:9/20/2009
Hosted by: San Francisco State 
Contact: Alexis Litzky
Address: Dept. of Speech & Communication Studies, 1600 Holloway Ave., SF, CA  94132
Phone: 415-338-1097
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True
Divisions Offered: 
Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From leaderdb8 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  5 18:10:53 2009
From: leaderdb8 at hotmail.com (Paul Leader)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:10:53 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Debate Tournaments in Vegas!
In-Reply-To: <739f03b0908051546x1f892496kdfa4e5a76c9e06a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <OF55A4C660.1732B66C-ON88257609.006D75DE-88257609.006D75E2@unlv.edu>
	<739f03b0908051546x1f892496kdfa4e5a76c9e06a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY130-W15BB636A9A3AC2B6D2F40BEA0D0@phx.gbl>


Yeah, now if only they could record wins and losses correctly;
that would be SUPER
Paul Leader
COO, Jotbox

> From: edebate at anumbersgame.net
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:46:56 -0700
> To: edebate at ndtceda.com
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Debate Tournaments in Vegas!
> 
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, <Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu> wrote:
> > 2)        HIGH QUALITY COMPETITION?We were the 5th largest debate tournament
> > in America last year and will only continue to grow in size and competition
> > quality as time goes on.
> 
> DebateResults.com shows 78 teams competing at the UNLV invitational
> last year, which makes it tied (with the NDT) for the 18th/19th
> largest tournament in the 2008-2009 season.
> 
> This does not include any other formats of forensic competition.
> _______________________________________________
> eDebate mailing list
> eDebate at www.ndtceda.com
> http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate

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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  5 18:15:18 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:15:18 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Val Browning Cancelled for 2009-2010
Message-ID: <SNT121-W189F4745F4DC90F152D542D30D0@phx.gbl>


Hello Folks,

 

Unfortunately, the Val Browning Round Robin has to be cancelled for the 2009-2010 competitive year.

 

As previous attendees are aware, the "Val" is supported by the generous endowment of the Browning Foundation.

 

But due to the financial tsunami that hit Wall Street, combined with the lingering recession, the available monies are simply too low to support this year's tournament.

 

We hope that by letting the account remain fallow for a year, we'll be every to offer an even better format and tournament experience for 2010-2011.

 

We apologize to those who made plans to attend - but it is better to inform everyone now about the decision before folks start buying plane tickets, etc.

 

My best to all,

 

OG








Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


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From gonza310 at msu.edu  Wed Aug  5 18:30:18 2009
From: gonza310 at msu.edu (Joshua Gonzalez)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:30:18 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Debate Tournaments in Vegas!
In-Reply-To: <739f03b0908051546x1f892496kdfa4e5a76c9e06a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C69F8E4A.CE5%gonza310@msu.edu>

You exhausted our collective patience months ago. Either identify yourself,
or leave. 



On 8/5/09 6:46 PM, "A Numbers Game edebate" <edebate at anumbersgame.net>
wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, <Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu> wrote:
>> 2)        HIGH QUALITY COMPETITION?We were the 5th largest debate tournament
>> in America last year and will only continue to grow in size and competition
>> quality as time goes on.
> 
> DebateResults.com shows 78 teams competing at the UNLV invitational
> last year, which makes it tied (with the NDT) for the 18th/19th
> largest tournament in the 2008-2009 season.
> 
> This does not include any other formats of forensic competition.
> _______________________________________________
> eDebate mailing list
> eDebate at www.ndtceda.com
> http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate
> 



From andy.edebate at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 19:48:28 2009
From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:48:28 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Debate Tournaments in Vegas!
In-Reply-To: <C69F8E4A.CE5%gonza310@msu.edu>
References: <739f03b0908051546x1f892496kdfa4e5a76c9e06a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<C69F8E4A.CE5%gonza310@msu.edu>
Message-ID: <9368bc9b0908051748y36b8a693ua1e6bd1d61b8a1a0@mail.gmail.com>

Good of you to speak for the collective...

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Joshua Gonzalez <gonza310 at msu.edu> wrote:

> You exhausted our collective patience months ago. Either identify yourself,
> or leave.
>
>
>
> On 8/5/09 6:46 PM, "A Numbers Game edebate" <edebate at anumbersgame.net>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, <Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu> wrote:
> >> 2)        HIGH QUALITY COMPETITION?We were the 5th largest debate
> tournament
> >> in America last year and will only continue to grow in size and
> competition
> >> quality as time goes on.
> >
> > DebateResults.com shows 78 teams competing at the UNLV invitational
> > last year, which makes it tied (with the NDT) for the 18th/19th
> > largest tournament in the 2008-2009 season.
> >
> > This does not include any other formats of forensic competition.
> > _______________________________________________
> > eDebate mailing list
> > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com
> > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate
> >
>
>
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From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu  Wed Aug  5 21:25:44 2009
From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:25:44 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Vegas tourney size
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From gordonm at pitt.edu  Wed Aug  5 23:31:35 2009
From: gordonm at pitt.edu (Mitchell, Gordon Roger)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:31:35 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Summer preprints
Message-ID: <C9563A8511C9BB488B41E541ACC749F995FCED22D0@PITT-EXCH-07.univ.pitt.edu>

Preprints of new, debate-related scholarship winding its way into press (feedback welcome, with potential to change content in a few cases where editorial windows remain open):

Mitchell, G.R., Bsumek, P., Lundberg, C., Mangus, M., & Voth, B., with Hobeika, O., & Jensen, M. (2009). Pathways to innovation in debate scholarship: Research and scholarship working group report. Third National Developmental Conference on Debate. Winston-Salem, North Carolina. June 5-7.
   http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Preprints/Pathways.pdf
- Summary, background and rationale for the seven debate research and scholarship resolutions approved by the Debate Summit's plenary session.

Mitchell, G.R. (2009). Switch-side debating meets demand-driven rhetoric of science. Unpublished manuscript under final review.
   http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Preprints/SwitchSide.pdf
- Covers EPA debates, Great Debaters, Munksgaard and Pfister, new Greene/Hicks Alta paper, intelligence community's "Analytic Outreach" initiative.

Mitchell, G.R. (2009). View from the summit: Perspectives on forensics scholarship and research from the 2009 Policy Debate Summit and Development Conference. Paper presented at the Sixteenth AFA/NFA Summer Conference on Argumentation. Alta, UT, July 30-August 2.
   http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Preprints/Alta.pdf
- Focuses on Timely Interventions journal, Skarburry controversy.

Goodnight, G.T. & Mitchell, G.R. (2009). Forensics as scholarship: Testing Zarefsky's bold hypothesis. Argumentation & Advocacy (forthcoming, accepted June 2009).
   http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Preprints/Hypotest.pdf
- Review of Zarefsky's forensics oeuvre, update of his hypothesis-testing paradigm for digital age.

Mitchell, G.R. & McTigue, K.M. (2009). Promoting translational medicine through deliberation. Paper presented at the "Justification, Reason and Action" Conference in Honor of David Zarefsky. Northwestern University. Evanston, IL. May 29-30.
   http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/Preprints/Translation.pdf
- Application of hypothesis testing paradigm to overcome Type II translation blocks in medical research.

* * *

Gordon R. Mitchell
Associate Professor of Communication
Director of Graduate Studies
Director, William Pitt Debating Union
University of Pittsburgh
CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Phone: (412) 624-8531
Fax: (412) 624-1878
http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/

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From gordonm at pitt.edu  Thu Aug  6 20:27:27 2009
From: gordonm at pitt.edu (Mitchell, Gordon Roger)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:27:27 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Debate history gems
Message-ID: <C9563A8511C9BB488B41E541ACC749F995FCED22D2@PITT-EXCH-07.univ.pitt.edu>

I picked up these stories from Zarefsky this summer; thought I better share them before they disappear under a paper mound:

1968: Dartmouth beat Northwestern (Zarefsky-Denger) in NDT quarters, and there was quite a brouhaha about the judging panel featuring too many friends of Dartmouth coach Herb James on it. Thomas McClain was the Northwestern coach, and the judge selection process was apparently pretty lax back then, kind of smoke-filled room stuff. This event was the catalyst for implementation of the MPJ system we still have today.

1973: OPEC retaliated against the U.S. for its support of Israel in the Yom Kippur War with an oil embargo, causing gas shortages and rationing (including gas station closures on Sundays). Big national debate tournaments, previously Fri-Sat-Sun affairs, switched to the Sat-Sun-Mon default model we still have today. Apparently there are stories about some teams getting stuck/buying bootleg gas to get home on Sunday trips before the switch.

* * *

Gordon R. Mitchell
Associate Professor of Communication
Director of Graduate Studies
Director, William Pitt Debating Union
University of Pittsburgh
CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Phone: (412) 624-8531
Fax: (412) 624-1878
http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/


From linda.barker at uky.edu  Fri Aug  7 09:58:34 2009
From: linda.barker at uky.edu (Barker, Linda L)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:58:34 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] TOC QUALIFYING TOURNAMENTS FOR 2009-10
Message-ID: <71EB79178CB5D1418316AACE1A86ABE13CC9E03920@EX7FM01.ad.uky.edu>

PLEASE NOTE:   Each Tournament Director is responsible for submitting their tournament qualifiers within "two weeks" of the conclusion of their tournament to Linda Barker at linda.barker at uky.edu<mailto:linda.barker at uky.edu>


TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN L-D FOR 2009-10

The following L-D debate tournaments are OCTAFINAL qualifiers for 2009-2010:

Apple Valley (MN)
Berkeley (CA)
Emory (GA)
Glenbrooks (IL)
Greenhill (TX)
Harvard (MA)
St. Mark's (TX)
Victory Briefs (Archer) (CA)

The following L-D debate tournaments are QUARTERFINAL qualifiers for 2009-2010:

Alta (UT)
Blake (MN)
Bronx Science (NY)
Crestian (Pine Crest) (CA)
Hendrick Hudson (NY)
Lexington (MA)
Stanford (CA)
Valley (IA)
Yale (CT)

The following L-D debate tournaments are SEMIFINALS qualifiers for  2009-2010:

Auburn (WA)
College Prep (CA)
Columbia (NY)
Dowling Catholic (IA)
Golden Desert (NV)
Grapevine (TX)
Harker (CA)
Iowa Caucus (IA)
Meadows (NV)
Monticello (NY)
Ohio Valley (KY)
UT (TX)
Wake Forest (NC)

The following L-D debate tournaments are FINALS qualifiers for 2009-2010:

Arizona State (AZ)
Colleyville Heritage (TX)
Federal Way (WA)
Florida Blue Key (FL)
Harvard-Westlake (CA)
Houston-Memorial (TX)
Isidore Newman (LA)
Newark (NJ)
Omaha Westside (NE)
Princeton (NJ)
Saint James (AL)
Scarsdale (NY)
University of Southern California (CA)
Vestavia Hills (AL)
Whitman (WA)
Winston Churchill (TX)

The following tournaments/awards are INELIGIBLE as qualifiers:


*         Any round-robin, summer institute, NFL CFL, or state championship tournaments (even if conducted by schools/universities which host TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any speaker award at any tournament (even if earned at TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any tournament held outside the eligibility period (September 1, 2009 to March 1, 2010.

*         Any tournament not on this approved tournament list unless added by the TOC Director.

TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN POLICY DEBATE FOR 2009-2010

The following Policy debate tournament are OCTAFINALS qualifiers for 2009-10:

Berkeley (CA)
Blake (MN)
Emory University (GA)
Glenbrooks (IL)
Greenhill School (TX)
Harvard University (MA)
Montgomery Bell Academy (TN)
St. Mark's School (TX)

The following Policy debate tournaments are QUARTERFINALS qualifiers for 2009-10:

Alta (UT)
Georgetown Day (DC)
Golden Desert (NV)
Grapevine (TX)
Lexington (MA)
New Trier (IL)
Ohio Valley (KY)
Stanford (CA)
University of Michigan (MI)
University of Redlands (CA)
 University of Southern California (CA)
University of Texas at Austin (TX)
 Wake Forest University (NC)

The following Policy debate tournaments are SEMIFINALS qualifiers for 2009-10:

Bronx (NY)
Colleyville (TX)
Dowling (IA)
University of Georgia (GA)
Gonzaga (WA)
Houston-Memorial (TX)
Iowa Caucus (IA)
Kansas City Community College (KS)
Lakeland (NY)
Maine East (IL)
Meadows (NV)
Valley (IA)


The following Policy debate tournaments are FINALS qualifiers for  2009-10:

Arizona
Auburn (WA)
Florida Blue Key (FL)
Fullerton (CA)
La Costa Canyon (CA)
Long Beach (CA)
Marquette (WI)
Omaha-Westside (NE)
Pennsbury (PA)
Samford University (AL)
Vestavia Hills (AL)
Whitman College (WA)



The following tournaments/awards are INELIGIBLE as qualifiers:


*         Any round-robin, summer institute, NFL CFL, or state championship tournaments (even if conducted by schools/universities which host TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any speaker award at any tournament (even if earned at TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any tournament held outside the eligibility period (September 1, 2009 to March 1, 2010.

*         Any tournament not on this approved tournament list unless added by the TOC Director.


TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN STUDENT CONGRESS FOR 2009- 2010

CONGRESS AUTOMATIC QUALIFIERS:

Debaters who broke at the 2009 TOC
Finals at the 2009 NFL National Tournament
Top Six at the 2009 CFL National Tournament

The following Student Congress debate tournaments are SEMIFINAL round qualifiers for 2009-2010:

UC-Berkeley
Florida Blue Key
The Glenbrooks (IL)
Harvard University
NFL 2009 National Tournament

The following Student Congress debate tournaments are FINAL round qualifiers for 2009-10:

Catholic Forensic League National Tournament
Crestian Classic (FL)
Emory University (GA)
George Mason (VA)
Golden Desert (NV)
Grapevine (TX)
La Costa Canyon (CA)
Myers Park (NC)
University of Texas
Villager (PA)
Wake Forest (NC)
Winston-Churchill (TX)
Yale (CT)

CONGRESS TOP SIX

Arizona State (AZ)
Bronx (NY)
Harker (CA)
Manchester (MA)
Nova Titan (FL)
Pennsbury (PA)
University of Pennsylvania (PA)
Rufus-King City Hall (WI)
Shrewsbury (MA)
St. Marks (TX)
Sunvitational (FL)

Top Six in the Super Congress at the February Illinois Congressional Debate Association Tournament

TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN PUBLIC FORUM DEBATE FOR 2009-2010

Public Forum Automatic Qualifiers when competing with same partnership:

Octafinals at the 2009 TOC
Octafinals at the 2009 NFL National Tournament
Octafinals at the 2009 CFL National Tournament

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are OCTAFINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Apple Valley (MN)
UC Berkeley (CA)
Dowling (IA)
Emory (GA)
Florida Blue Key (FL)
Glenbrooks (IL)
Harvard (MA)
Meyers Park (NC)
Princeton (NJ)
Stanford (CA)
Yale (CT)

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are QUARTERFINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Alta (UT)
Arizona State (AZ)
Bronx (NY)
Columbia (NY)
Crestian (FL) Florida
George Mason (VA)
Golden Desert (NV)
James Logan (CA)
Lexington (MA)
Manchester-by-the-Sea (MA)
University of Pennsylvania
Villager (PA)
Wake Forest (NC)

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are SEMIFINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Harker (CA)
Hudson (NY)
La Costa Canyon (CA)
Lincoln-East (NE)
Nova Titan (FL)
Ohio Valley (KY)
St. Mark's (TX)
Sunvitational (FL)
Valley (IA)
Victory Briefs (CA)

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are FINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Blake (MN)
Cheyenne East (WY)
Freemont (NE)
Grapevine (TX)
Indianola (IA)
Lincoln-Southwest (NE)
Mountain Brook's (AL)
Millard West (NE)
Ridge (NJ)
Scarsdale (NY)
Springfield (MO)
Topeka (KS)
Whitman (WA)

All 2010 NFL Qualifiers from districts with two or more qualifying teams if the qualifier is certified before March 10, 2010.




Linda Barker
Intercollegiate Debate
225 Funkhouser Building
Lexington, Kentucky   40506-0054
859-257-6523 (office)
859-323-1995 (fax)
linda.barker at uky.edu

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From linda.barker at uky.edu  Fri Aug  7 11:51:35 2009
From: linda.barker at uky.edu (Barker, Linda L)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:51:35 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] TOC QUALIFYING TOURNAMENTS FOR 2009-10-REVISED
Message-ID: <71EB79178CB5D1418316AACE1A86ABE13CC9E03A73@EX7FM01.ad.uky.edu>

PLEASE NOTE:   Each Tournament Director is responsible for submitting their tournament qualifiers within "two weeks" of the conclusion of their tournament to Linda Barker at linda.barker at uky.edu<mailto:linda.barker at uky.edu>


TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN L-D FOR 2009-10

The following L-D debate tournaments are OCTAFINAL qualifiers for 2009-2010:

Apple Valley (MN)
Berkeley (CA)
Emory (GA)
Glenbrooks (IL)
Greenhill (TX)
Harvard (MA)
St. Mark's (TX)
Victory Briefs (Archer) (CA)

The following L-D debate tournaments are QUARTERFINAL qualifiers for 2009-2010:

Alta (UT)
Blake (MN)
Bronx Science (NY)
Crestian (Pine Crest) (CA)
Hendrick Hudson (NY)
Lexington (MA)
Stanford (CA)
Valley (IA)
Yale (CT)

The following L-D debate tournaments are SEMIFINALS qualifiers for  2009-2010:

Auburn (WA)
College Prep (CA)
Columbia (NY)
Dowling Catholic (IA)
Golden Desert (NV)
Grapevine (TX)
Harker (CA)
Iowa Caucus (IA)
Meadows (NV)
Monticello (NY)
Ohio Valley (KY)
UT (TX)
Wake Forest (NC)

The following L-D debate tournaments are FINALS qualifiers for 2009-2010:

Arizona State (AZ)
Colleyville Heritage (TX)
Federal Way (WA)
Florida Blue Key (FL)
Harvard-Westlake (CA)
Houston-Memorial (TX)
Isidore Newman (LA)
Newark (NJ)
Omaha Westside (NE)
Princeton (NJ)
Saint James (AL)
Scarsdale (NY)
University of Southern California (CA)
Sunvitational (FL)
Vestavia Hills (AL)
Whitman (WA)
Winston Churchill (TX)

The following tournaments/awards are INELIGIBLE as qualifiers:


*         Any round-robin, summer institute, NFL CFL, or state championship tournaments (even if conducted by schools/universities which host TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any speaker award at any tournament (even if earned at TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any tournament held outside the eligibility period (September 1, 2009 to March 1, 2010.

*         Any tournament not on this approved tournament list unless added by the TOC Director.

TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN POLICY DEBATE FOR 2009-2010

The following Policy debate tournament are OCTAFINALS qualifiers for 2009-10:

Berkeley (CA)
Blake (MN)
Emory University (GA)
Glenbrooks (IL)
Greenhill School (TX)
Harvard University (MA)
Montgomery Bell Academy (TN)
St. Mark's School (TX)

The following Policy debate tournaments are QUARTERFINALS qualifiers for 2009-10:

Alta (UT)
Georgetown Day (DC)
Golden Desert (NV)
Grapevine (TX)
Lexington (MA)
New Trier (IL)
Ohio Valley (KY)
Stanford (CA)
University of Michigan (MI)
University of Redlands (CA)
 University of Southern California (CA)
University of Texas at Austin (TX)
 Wake Forest University (NC)

The following Policy debate tournaments are SEMIFINALS qualifiers for 2009-10:

Bronx (NY)
Colleyville (TX)
Dowling (IA)
University of Georgia (GA)
Gonzaga (WA)
Houston-Memorial (TX)
Iowa Caucus (IA)
Kansas City Community College (KS)
Lakeland (NY)
Maine East (IL)
Meadows (NV)
Valley (IA)


The following Policy debate tournaments are FINALS qualifiers for  2009-10:

Arizona
Auburn (WA)
Florida Blue Key (FL)
Fullerton (CA)
La Costa Canyon (CA)
Long Beach (CA)
Marquette (WI)
Omaha-Westside (NE)
Pennsbury (PA)
Samford University (AL)
Vestavia Hills (AL)
Whitman College (WA)



The following tournaments/awards are INELIGIBLE as qualifiers:


*         Any round-robin, summer institute, NFL CFL, or state championship tournaments (even if conducted by schools/universities which host TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any speaker award at any tournament (even if earned at TOC approved tournaments)

*         Any tournament held outside the eligibility period (September 1, 2009 to March 1, 2010.

*         Any tournament not on this approved tournament list unless added by the TOC Director.


TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN STUDENT CONGRESS FOR 2009- 2010

CONGRESS AUTOMATIC QUALIFIERS:

Debaters who broke at the 2009 TOC
Finals at the 2009 NFL National Tournament
Top Six at the 2009 CFL National Tournament

The following Student Congress debate tournaments are SEMIFINAL round qualifiers for 2009-2010:

UC-Berkeley
Florida Blue Key
The Glenbrooks (IL)
Harvard University
NFL 2009 National Tournament

The following Student Congress debate tournaments are FINAL round qualifiers for 2009-10:

Catholic Forensic League National Tournament
Crestian Classic (FL)
Emory University (GA)
George Mason (VA)
Golden Desert (NV)
Grapevine (TX)
La Costa Canyon (CA)
Myers Park (NC)
University of Texas
Villager (PA)
Wake Forest (NC)
Winston-Churchill (TX)
Yale (CT)

CONGRESS TOP SIX

Arizona State (AZ)
Bronx (NY)
Harker (CA)
Manchester (MA)
Nova Titan (FL)
Pennsbury (PA)
University of Pennsylvania (PA)
Rufus-King City Hall (WI)
Shrewsbury (MA)
St. Marks (TX)
Sunvitational (FL)

Top Six in the Super Congress at the February Illinois Congressional Debate Association Tournament

TOC APPROVED TOURNAMENTS IN PUBLIC FORUM DEBATE FOR 2009-2010

Public Forum Automatic Qualifiers when competing with same partnership:

Octafinals at the 2009 TOC
Octafinals at the 2009 NFL National Tournament
Octafinals at the 2009 CFL National Tournament

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are OCTAFINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Apple Valley (MN)
UC Berkeley (CA)
Dowling (IA)
Emory (GA)
Florida Blue Key (FL)
Glenbrooks (IL)
Harvard (MA)
Meyers Park (NC)
Princeton (NJ)
Stanford (CA)
Yale (CT)

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are QUARTERFINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Alta (UT)
Arizona State (AZ)
Bronx (NY)
Columbia (NY)
Crestian (FL) Florida
George Mason (VA)
Golden Desert (NV)
James Logan (CA)
Lexington (MA)
Manchester-by-the-Sea (MA)
University of Pennsylvania
Villager (PA)
Wake Forest (NC)

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are SEMIFINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Harker (CA)
Hudson (NY)
La Costa Canyon (CA)
Lincoln-East (NE)
Nova Titan (FL)
Ohio Valley (KY)
St. Mark's (TX)
Sunvitational (FL)
Valley (IA)
Victory Briefs (CA)

The following Public Forum debate tournaments are FINAL qualifiers for 2009-10:

Blake (MN)
Cheyenne East (WY)
Freemont (NE)
Grapevine (TX)
Indianola (IA)
Lincoln-Southwest (NE)
Mountain Brook's (AL)
Millard West (NE)
Ridge (NJ)
Scarsdale (NY)
Springfield (MO)
Topeka (KS)
Whitman (WA)

All 2010 NFL Qualifiers from districts with two or more qualifying teams if the qualifier is certified before March 10, 2010.




Linda Barker
Intercollegiate Debate
225 Funkhouser Building
Lexington, Kentucky   40506-0054
859-257-6523 (office)
859-323-1995 (fax)
linda.barker at uky.edu

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From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 16:55:19 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:55:19 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Potential 2010-11 HS Debate Resolutions
Message-ID: <524839830908071455n6d7c6fc9g95d4657c084aa1a9@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.planetdebate.com/

These will be revised throughout the day tomorrow and the list will be
narrowed down to 5 resolutions by Sunday afternoon.

-- 
Stefan Bauschard

President & Co-Founder, PlanetDebate.com
Debate Coach, Harvard Debate
Director of Debate, Lakeland Schools
Director of Development & Operations, NFL National Tournament 2011


(c) 781-775-0433
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From kevinjoo507 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  7 19:04:59 2009
From: kevinjoo507 at yahoo.com (Kevin Joo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:04:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Ruralism
Message-ID: <823136.65185.qm@web45914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey my name is Kevin and I?m a high school policy debater and I was wondering if anyone had good literature on rural poverty/ ruralism that I could use. Thank you


      
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From jbruschke at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU  Fri Aug  7 21:21:02 2009
From: jbruschke at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Bruschke, Jon)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:21:02 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] New system for paperless debate
Message-ID: <F7DA7E5896B79D4F8F7D01E5062D69880193152423E2@SFEXCH4.AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

The demo is at: http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/ecards/ecardsdemo.aspx

There's a description there.  Basically, a relational database is a much better way to do electronic files than word processing documents with a bunch of macros.  This is a first step in that direction.  If you'd like to give it a test run, I'd be interested in hearing from you.

Thanks!

Jon

Attention: Cal State Fullerton's area code and prefix are now 657-278.  The Fullerton campus and most of the Irvine campus phone and fax numbers now begin with 657-278 followed by the current extension number.

From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Sat Aug  8 11:36:47 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:36:47 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Richmond (Univ. of)
Message-ID: <CDA8A57AE5C0462B8B061954C8D023FC@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Richmond Spider Classic
Starts:10/10/2009
Ends:10/12/2009
Hosted by: Richmond (Univ. of)
Contact: Kevin Kuswa
Address: 400-A Weinstein Hall, U. Richmond, VA 23173
Phone: 804-289-8269
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True
Divisions Offered: 
Spider Novice with 8 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Spider JV with 8 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Spider Open with 8 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From kkuswa at richmond.edu  Sat Aug  8 11:36:48 2009
From: kkuswa at richmond.edu (Kuswa, Kevin)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:36:48 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] (Oct 10-12) SPIDER DEBATE TOURNAMENT
Message-ID: <0212E622749FDB4EA3A538AF1F4ECC4F033DC68E6F@UREXCHANGESCC.richmond.edu>

Debate Folks,

As we have for many years, we look forward to hosting you this Autumn at the University of Richmond for our tournament.  You should come to our spot--if you have in the past, you know it's a sweet tournament and we take care of you.  If you haven't come out, now is the time to give it a try.  Just let us know what you need to make it happen.  On behalf of the spiders,

Sincerely,

Kevin


***********************************************************
Dr. Kevin Douglas Kuswa
Director of Debate, Dept. of Rhetoric & Comm. Studies
400-A Weinstein Hall                                                        (U)
University of Richmond, VA 23173                           Spide(R)bate
(804) 289-8269
debate.richmond.edu/
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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  8 13:17:02 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:17:02 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Leland Monson Debate Institute and Tournament - Thank Yous
Message-ID: <SNT121-W9A2AFD5E3E2FF36FCB0D4D3080@phx.gbl>


 Hello Community:
 
I would like to take a second from our busy August to thank the wonderful efforts of our colleagues who worked at the 2nd Annual Leland Monson Debate Institute and Tournament (August 3-8).
 
Mike Shackelford (Director of Forensics, Roland Hall-St. Mark?s):  Your work in our advanced policy lab rivals that which goes on much more expensive, and ?elite,? high school debate camps.
 
Joshua Bentley (Director of Forensics, Lone Peak High School):  The quiet revolution of excellence you have led in Happy Valley shows in the quality of work with our novice and junior varsity attendees.
 
Moses Baca (Director of Forensics, Juan Diego High School):  Utah?s own LD coach par-excellence.  Thank you Moses!
 
Carol Shackelford (Director of Forensics, Bingham High School):  Thank you directing our Tournament, Hosting the Camp, Leading the Director?s Lab, and a bunch of other really critical stuff.  No wonder Bingham High was 5A champs last year!
 
Also, our assistants rock as well:  Mason Gates (Juan Diego), Robert Grange (Juan Diego), Stacy Dawson (Weber State), and Ian Dalton (Weber State).
 
And of course, thanks to John Foy for an excellence performance as our Institute Director.  We?re only in our 2nd year of our commuter camp, but because of John?s efforts, we?ve seen an increase of quality and quantity of our institute attendees.
 
Because of the generosity of the Keystone Foundation, Utah students are able to attend the LMDIT for only $55.  That double nickel admission fee includes: 45 contact hours of learning with a great faculty, a 4 round tournament @ Weber State (with free transportation), meals every day, and a gift bag for every student J
 
Not a bad deal!
 
My best to all,
 
OG







Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM
 
 



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From gacggc at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 13:31:01 2009
From: gacggc at gmail.com (David Glass)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:31:01 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] proposed 2010-2011 high school debate resolutions
Message-ID: <8371758b0908081131x73942c6s2dbd26c703aee166@mail.gmail.com>

appended is the list of proposed high school resolutions for 2010-2011

if there is anything that you see which is egregious, please let me
know... while the wording
committee has just finished, there is still time to amend if necessary tomorrow

thanks for your help

David Glass
wording committee member



1.      China
The United States federal government should substantially increase its
economic engagement with the People?s Republic of China in one or more
of the following areas:  trade, economy, environment.

2. United Nations
The United Nations should substantially reform one or more of the
following organizations:  United Nations Children?s Fund, United
Nations Development Programme, United Nations Environment Programme,
United Nations World Food Programme.

3.      Drug Trafficking
The United States federal government should substantially increase its
support of its international counternarcotics programs combating
illegal drug trafficking to the United States.

4.      Overseas Deployment
The United States federal government should substantially reduce its
military and/or police presence in one or more of the following:
South Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq.

5.      Southeast Asia
The United States federal government should substantially increase its
foreign assistance to Southeast Asia in the area(s) of human rights
and/or transnational crime.
6.      Latin America
The United States federal government should substantially increase its
trade promotion toward one or more Latin American countries.


7.       Russia
The United States federal government should substantially increase its
military and/or economic engagement toward Russia.


8.      North Korea and Iran
The United States federal government should establish a foreign policy
of constructive engagement toward the Democratic People?s Republic of
Korea and/or the Islamic Republic of Iran.

From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu  Sat Aug  8 16:03:32 2009
From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:03:32 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Vegas Round Robin Entry now enabled
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From james.maritato at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 17:56:01 2009
From: james.maritato at gmail.com (James Maritato)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:56:01 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Updated Contact Information for Marist College
Message-ID: <c47c220e0908081556tfeb4785h9befa8b3af8e61@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

As I am leaving Marist (and regular involvement in policy debate) at the end
of the month to begin my PhD at Rutgers I will no longer be handling
inquiries about Marist's debate program.  I'll probably still be lurking in
the listserv shadows, but should anyone need to reach a representative of
Marist Debate you can contact the Dean of the School of Communication & the
Arts.

His contact information is as follows:

Dr. Steven Ralston
Dean, School of Communication & The Arts
Marist College
3399 North Rd.
Poughkeepsie NY 12601
845-575-3650
Steven.Ralston at Marist.Edu

Thanks all,

Jim Maritato
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From meviin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 03:53:01 2009
From: meviin at gmail.com (Sam King)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:53:01 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] New Paperless Debate Template + In-Depth Guide to Word
	for Debaters
Message-ID: <49fd4ea10908100153x76c4a142t114d2f8cdcf4d906@mail.gmail.com>

I just posted a new set of paperless debate templates and a guide to MS Word
to my homepage at
http://stanford.edu/~samking/<http://stanford.edu/%7Esamking/>.
I'll post a copy to the Stanford Debate website once I get around to
updating it.

My new template improves on the macros that Whitman developed for paperless
debate this past year.  A few notable features (many of which should help
even if you aren't doing paperless debate):
-You can move cards up and down
-You can send and move subheadings along with headings (ie, moving a Heading
1 will also move a Heading 2 that is under it)
-You can jump to headings (think Ctrl+Up, but it moves to headings rather
than just moving up one paragraph)
-You don't have to use manual page breaks at all if you don't want to
-You don't have to manually create "Speech.doc" every time.  And
"spEECH.dOc" would work if you didn't capitalize it correctly.
-You can make the entire document into a cite request
-It's completely backwards compatible with Whitman's old template
-Most of the bugs with Whitman's old template are now fixed

A guide to formatting and usability in MS Word is available at
http://stanford.edu/~samking/Word%20Basics%20v1.doc<http://stanford.edu/%7Esamking/Word%20Basics%20v1.doc>or
http://stanford.edu/~samking/Word%20Basics%20v1.pdf<http://stanford.edu/%7Esamking/Word%20Basics%20v1.pdf>.
These documents go into depth on Word features and will teach most people
some things that let them format their documents more precisely and faster
(ie, nonprinting characters, styles, templates, macros, custom toolbars,
custom menus).  The second half of the document also contains more detailed
notes on my macros and on paperless debate.
The template itself is at
http://stanford.edu/~samking/Debate.dot<http://stanford.edu/%7Esamking/Debate.dot>
If you want to download a version of the template with the new macros but
with shortcut keys more like Whitman's template, download
http://stanford.edu/~samking/WhitmanDebate.dot<http://stanford.edu/%7Esamking/WhitmanDebate.dot>

I don't get emails from eDebate, so make sure you email me directly or cc me
if you have any questions/comments/bug reports.  I'm taking feature requests
if anyone has any Word, Paperless, or other Debate Programming needs.

Many thanks to Whitman for getting Paperless going and for helping me start
on programming my templates!
-Sam King
Stanford Debate
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From alfred.snider at uvm.edu  Mon Aug 10 11:03:53 2009
From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred C Snider)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:03:53 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Find out what this "worlds" thing is all about
Message-ID: <4A8044E9.2000507@uvm.edu>

If you are curious, take some time off over the Thanksgiving break and 
come join us at the International Debate Academy in Slovenia. Those who 
have swear by it and it has convinced them to try the worlds debate 
(also known as WUDC or BP) format.

It is not expensive, airfares are reasonable if purchased now, and it 
will be a great time but with a lot of intense debating. Instruction, 
housing and all meals for 250 Euros.

Let me know if I can answer your questions about this event.

The website is at http://debate.uvm.edu/idas.html

Tuna

====================

THE SEVENTH INTERNATIONAL DEBATE ACADEMY SLOVENIA
& IDAS/FUTUR 2009 TOURNAMENT

THE BEST IN WUDC/BP DEBATE INSTRUCTION AND COMPETITION


21-29 NOVEMBER 2009

    * Full program for students ? instruction, IDAS/FUTUR 2009 tournament
    * IDAS/FUTUR 2009 tournament for students ? tournament in Ljubljana
      at the Faculty of Administration-University of Ljubljana.
    * Full program for trainers, teachers, coaches, club leaders, judges
      at any level in any debate format.


SPECIFIC DATES

    * Arrive in Ormoz, Slovenia November 21 2009
    * Instruction in Ormoz November 21-26 2009
    * Transfer to Ljubljana morning 27 November 2009
    * FUTUR tournament in Ljubljana afternoon 27-29 November 2009


APPLICATION FORMS AVAILABLE FOR TOTAL PROGRAM 
(http://debate.uvm.edu/idasall%5B1%5D.doc)
OR JUST TOURNAMENT
(http://debate.uvm.edu/idastourn%5B1%5D.doc)

Organized by:
ZIP ? Za in proti (ZIP), Pro et Contra, Institute for the Culture of 
Dialogue, Slovenia
WDI ? World Debate Institute, University of Vermont
Debate Club, Faculty of Administration, University of Ljubljana

Scholarship Fund established by Bickel & Brewer
Download Application Form http://debate.uvm.edu/idas09scholform.doc

FACULTY -- more to come!

* Loke Wing Fatt, Singapore: Well known Asian debate trainer, WUDC 
breaking judge, honorary professorship North-Eastern University China, 
SAID Singapore, 5th IDAS.
* Jens Fischer, Germany: Berlin Debating Union, Chief Adjudicator at 
Europeans, 5th IDAS.
* Leela Koenig, Netherlands: Cork Worlds 2009 Best ESL speaker, Top ESL 
Speaker at Euros 2007 and 2008, DCA Newcastle Euros 2009, CA of 
Amsterdam, Euros 2010 bid, lecturer at The Hague University, philosophy 
student at Leiden University. 1st IDAS.
* Chris Langone, USA: Cornell University. 2nd IDAS.
* Isabelle Loewe, Germany: Winner EUDC (ESL), ESL-Semifinalist Worlds 
2007, DCA Tallinn EUDC 2008; CA/DCA of several tournaments, among them, 
Prague, Tilbury IV, Yeditepe Open, Jacobs Open; Winner and finalist of 
several tournaments in Europe; Officer for International Law and Human 
Rights Education
* Branka Marusic, Croatia: Former President Europeans Council, IDAS 
Finalist, 3rd IDAS.
* Rhydian Morgan, UK: Chief Adjudicator and Finals judge at numerous 
tournaments, Welsh Debating Federation, World Debate Institute faculty 
2008-09, 3rd IDAS.
* Maja Nenadovic, Croatia: Founder of several debating societies across 
Europe, currently busy with introducing debate to countries in the 
Western Balkans region, and with finishing her PhD in political science 
at the University of Amsterdam. 2nd IDAS.
* Debbie Newman, UK: President of Cambridge Union, England and Wales 
National Champion, WSDC 2008 World Champion coach for England. 2nd IDAS.
* Alfred Snider, USA: Professor at University of Vermont, Director World 
Debate Institute, USA Coach of the Year, six recent debate textbooks, 
Convener 2009 US Universities Nationals, 7th IDAS.
* Bojana Skrt, Slovenia: Director ZIP, three times WSDC EFL World 
Champion coach, 7th IDAS.
* Anne Valkering, Netherlands: Oxford ESL semi-finalist 2006, finalist 
2007, winner ESL final Manchester IV 2007; EUDC ESL finalist 2006, 
semi-finalist 2007, quarterfinalist 2008, ESL second speaker 2008, fifth 
speaker 2006; WUDC ESL champion 2008; DCA Dutch Nationals 2009, CA 
Bonaparte Debate Tournament 2007, DCA Amsterdam Open 2008 and 2009, CA 
Sciences Po IV 2009.

CURRICULUM

* STUDENT TRAINING : Each Instruction day features a main lecture, 
exercise and drill sessions, and two complete critiqued practice 
debates. Many elective classes offered. Many training preparation 
sessions offered. Judge evaluation and training offered. Advanced, basic 
and beginner tracks available. The best way to get ready forn WUDC in 
Turkey.
* IDAS 2009 TRAINER PROGRAM
The International Debate Academy Slovenia will be offering a special 
track for trainers, coaches and those interested in learning about how 
to train debaters and create debate organizations such as clubs, 
academic programs and leagues. The program will call upon the extensive 
experience of the faculty to provide specialized training, including: 
Basic debate training steps: observation, advice from experienced 
trainers and curriculum guides Judging: instruction, shadow judging, 
real judging experience Tournaments: hosting, administering, including 
tabulation software. Advanced debate training: observation, advice from 
experienced trainers, curriculum guides. Organizing: recruiting 
debaters, implementing training, scheduling meetings, publicity. 
Attendees will have a sample judging session every morning as well as a 
special training session in the afternoon. All events at the program 
will also be open to attendees. Special needs and requests specific to 
individuals can be met if given advance notice.
* TOURNAMENT: Sponsored by IDAS, ZIP and hosted by Faculty of 
Administration University of Ljubljana. Six preliminary rounds and 
semifinals in the WUDC format. No team caps as of now. Faculty will 
serve as adjudication core and administration for the tournament.

COST

250 Euros for full program, 60 Euros for tournament.
Fees: Includes all meals, double rooms, instructional materials, 
transportation from Ormoz to Ljubljana, and social activities. 
Accommodations: Rooms and full meals provided in Ormoz and Ljubljana. 
Social activities each evening. Limited crash available for tournament.

Scholarships: We hope to offer substantial scholarships to needy 
applicants.

Financial Disclosure: IDAS is a non-profit program, trainers are not 
paid, trainer travel is not reimbursed, participation fees pay for 
attendee expenses of rooms and food only, trainer accommodations and 
food and other costs are covered by ZIP.

Social Events: We will have frequent social events. We will not 
distribute free alcohol to 18+ attendees out of the workshop fees. We 
will seek soft drinks-beer-wine sponsors. We prioritize scholarships for 
attendees over free alcohol. We want as many people as possible to join 
the program.

Website: http://debate.uvm.edu/idas.html
Blogsite: http://internationaldebateacademy.blogspot.com/

Organizing Committee:
Director of the Academy: Bojana Skrt, ZIP, bojana.skrt at siol.net
Head of Training: Alfred C. Snider, World Debate Institute, University 
of Vermont, alfred.snider at uvm.edu
Tournament Host: Helena Felc


-- 
Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics
University of Vermont
Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA
Lawrence Debate Union http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/LDU/
Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com
Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu
802-656-0097 office telephone
802-656-4275 office fax


From mschnall at gmx.net  Mon Aug 10 15:02:50 2009
From: mschnall at gmx.net (Matt Schnall)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Debate Instructor Position - O'Bryant School, Boston, MA
Message-ID: <4A8044AA.25060.32BE1EEA@mschnall.gmx.net>

(Posted at the request of Steve Stein, Executive Director, Boston Debate League, on behalf 
of the O'Bryant Gateway program)


***************************************************************************

The O'Bryant School in Roxbury, one of Boston's three public exam schools, is seeking to 
hire a speech or debate instructor for ninth-grade students, during the 2009-10 school year.  
This instruction would be offered to students in a pilot extended-time program at the 
O'Bryant, called the Gateway program.

This instruction could be scheduled in two different ways:

Option A.  2 to 3 meetings per week during a class period that runs from 11:45 AM - 12:45 
PM.  In this arrangement, the instructor would be working with two different groups of 
students, each with 25-26 students, on a rotating basis.
  
Option B.  1 meeting afterschool per week during the time slot of 2-3:30 PM.  In this 
arrangement, the instructor would be working with one fixed group of ~16-20 students.

In either arrangement, the schedule of weeks (length, start and end) has flexibility, and it 
could start as early as September.  Depending upon the instructor's needs, we may be able 
to provide additional support for the class from college work-study or volunteer students.

This would be a noncredit enrichment activity in our program.  We would be interested in 
exploring the possibility of preparing students for participation in extracurricular competitions, 
but that would not be a requirement for the instruction.

This position will be compensated on an hourly basis at a rate commensurate with the 
instructor's experience.  

Interested individuals should contact Jennifer Wu, director of the O'Bryant Gateway program, 
by email at jwu at boston.k12.ma.us or by phone at 617-304-4601.

***************************************************************************

From chairman.maurer at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 16:01:52 2009
From: chairman.maurer at gmail.com (Samuel Maurer)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:01:52 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] 54th Annual George R. R. Pflaum Debate Tournament
	Invitation
Message-ID: <7fd76c680908101401v4bf0b55dr809de7136b3033db@mail.gmail.com>

NEW THINGS:


*New Tournament Hotel ? We?ll be using the Guesthouse Inn as our tournament
hotel this year.  We have reserved a block of 35 rooms and can get more if
that fills up quickly (thus, it would help everyone out if you make
reservations quickly).  It?s a bigger hotel than the Holiday Inn or
Fairfield with more accommodations (atrium, bar, etc.).  A few folks who
have stayed there in the past have told me that they very much enjoyed their
stay so I hope others will as well.  Again, if that block fills-up quickly,
I can get plenty of extra rooms so please let me know.


*No Novice Division Initially ? I support novice debate and think watching
someone come in with no previous experience and having them develop is one
of the greatest feelings one can have as a coach.  And it is for that reason
we will not be offering a novice division, at least initially, this year.  In
the past few years, we?ve tried to have a novice division that didn?t make
and was collapsed into JV.  I think this is a terrifying experience for
novices who find out their division is collapsing three days before the
tournament and I feel terrible every year I do it.  Thus, if you have
novices that you would like to bring, let me know by October 5th how many
teams you could field.  If I get enough interest that I?m fairly sure the
novice division will make, I?ll create it.  If you have novices that you
really want to travel, put them in the JV division since that?s seems to be
what happens anyway.  Pending the number of teams that are eligible, we will
also have a novice break-out.


*Alternate Use Time ? Instead of 10 minutes of prep time and 2 Cross-ex?s,
each team will have 16 minutes of alternate use time.


*Challenge Matching in Open Out-rounds ? Instead of a traditional bracket,
open out-rounds will be paired via Challenge Matching.  I will outline a
specific set of rules for this before the tournament but here?s the idea:


1.  All teams participating in the open out-rounds will arrive at the
tournament 1:15 before round start time.


2.  The #1 seed will choose which team they would like to challenge.  They
may challenge any other seed from #2-#16.


3.  Once the pairing for the debate for the #1 seed is determined, a coin
will be flipped to determine sides.  ALL OUT-ROUNDS WILL BE FLIP FOR SIDES ?
pre-lim side constraints do not matter.


4.  Once sides are determined, the #2 seed will challenge any team below
them in seed order (#3-#16), with the exception of the team that was
challenged by the #1 seed.


5.  Flip a coin to determine sides, repeat, etc.


6.  Challenge Matching will ONLY APPLY TO FULL OPEN OUT-ROUNDS.  Does not
apply to any potential open partials.  Does not apply to JV and Novice
out-rounds.


I?ll send another post to edebate about the rationale for Challenge
Matching.




Dear Community,

 On behalf of Emporia State University, the Department of Communication and
Theatre, and Hornet Debate, it is my privilege to invite you to the
54th Annual George R. R. Pflaum Debate Tournament in Emporia, KS. The
tournament will be held October 18th through the 20th, 2008 with
Registration at one of the tournament hotels, Holiday Inn Express, on
October 18th.

 We are pleased to be offering 6 rounds of debate in Open, Junior Varsity
and novice divisions. We know many prefer an 8 round format, however, we
believe that a 6 round format encourages wellness (and sleep). Final round
schedule will depend on entries and facilities. We will make every effort
to keep divisions separate, but again, divisions are entry dependent.
A final schedule will follow closer to the tournament date.

 We believe we offer a fine slate of competition in the Midwest tradition,
as well as great hospitality, as some of you who have been here before can
attest. We will continue that hospitality and then some.

 We do hope you will join us here in October to help celebrate our
tournament.

Sincerely,

Sam Maurer
Director of Debate
smaurer at emporia.edu
(620) 341-5705 office
(509) 270-1507 cell

James Taylor
Assistant Director of Debate


LODGING INFORMATION - MAKE RESERVATIONS SOON.

TOURNAMENT HOTELS ? Tournament hotels ? We have block reservations made at
the Guesthouse Inn, the Holiday Inn, and the Candlewood Suites.  All of
these hotels are at the intersection of I-35 and Industrial Rd so they are
all in roughly the same area and there are many places to dine in close
proximity.  DO NOT SMOKE IN ROOMS: they charge you $250 PER DAY if they
think you smoked in a room at the Fairfield.
All blocks close on September 16th.  Please make sure to make your
reservations in a timely manner.  As mentioned before, we?re trying to
encourage people to stay in the Guesthouse Inn as the central tournament
hotel (but we will deliver pairings in the morning to all three).  The rate
for all three hotels is $79 per night.  All tournament blocks are reserved
under the Emporia Debate Tournament.


The Guesthouse Inn - 2700 W 18th Ave Emporia, KS 66801 (620) 341-9199


The Holiday Inn Express - 2921 W 18th Avenue (620) 341-9393 $79.00

 The Candlewood Suites - 2602 CANDLEWOOD DRIVE (620)-343-7756


NOTE: If the block fills-up at both hotels, please let me know and I can
speak with the managers about getting more rooms at the block rate.  Please
make your reservations soon, however, as I cannot get extra rooms the week
of the tournament.

TOURNAMENT INFORMATION

TRANSPORTATION: Emporia is located at the major highway junction of I-335
and I-35. Those of you driving will have little trouble finding the
University or the hotel, as both are located within two blocks of
I-35. For those of you flying, the Emporia airport does have shuttle
service to KCI, but you will find flying into Kansas City
International Airport the cheapest option.  If notified in advance,
ESU can provide transportation for teams flying into KCI free of cost.
 We would like to see more regional diversity at our tournament so we
will provide this service free of cost.  Please let us know ASAP if
you want a lift.

GUIDELINES: The Pflaum will abide by all relevant CEDA guidelines on sexual
harassment and debater eligibility.

TOPIC: We will use the 2009-10 CEDA/NDT topic.

TIMES: 9-3-6 with 16 minutes of alternate use time.

DIVISIONS: We will offer Junior Varsity and Open levels of
competition, eligibility by CEDA guidelines. We reserve the right to
collapse
divisions if entries warrant. We will try to preserve novice as a primary
concern.

AWARDS: will be awarded to the top 10 speakers in all divisions that
warrant, more if the numbers are there, less if not. Suitable awards will
be given to all out round participants.

SMOKING: ESU is a minimal smoking campus, smoking is allowed 25ft away
from buildings, we ask your help in enforcing this policy as well as
being aware of the mess smoking creates outside of buildings.

ELIMINATION ROUNDS: Will be held as per the CEDA formula, we anticipate at
least quarters in all divisions, octos in open.  If teams are forced
to go maverick because of extenuating circumstances, they will be
allowed to debate but not to clear.

ENTRY FEES: $85 per policy team.

JUDGING GUIDELINES: Each team is expected to provide one qualified judge
for every two teams entered. One team will equal a half commitment (3
rounds). Fees for uncovered teams will be $100, of course we would rather
have your judges than your money. We reserve the right to limit entries
based on available judges from any school. We do not have any judges
available locally for hire at this time (except JT who might be spoken for
already). We encourage you to post to edebate to get folks to come out of
the woodwork. If you have judges for hire, please let us know ASAP, and we
will get them hooked up with folks. Each judge is expected to render a
decision before the start time of the next round, in a timely manner, with
ONE team given the win. ALL JUDGES ARE OBLIGATED THROUGH THE FIRST
ELIM ROUND OR ONE ROUND PAST THE ELIMINATION OF THEIR SQUAD, Please abide by
that rule.

If you would like to hire judges through the tournament (e.g. you pay
us, we pay the judge, what you pay the judge goes on your receipt) let
me know and we can make arrangements.

ENTRIES: We support the Brushke site, and entry ability should be up this
evening. Deadline for Entries is Wednesday, January 9th, please send them
in early so we can plan food.

Get your entries in ASAP.

ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE

Friday, October 17th
7 p.m. - 9 p.m. Registration, Holiday Inn Express (pairings may be released
at 10 p.m. or so for 1 and 2)

Saturday, October 17th
8 a.m. Pairing released (Holiday Inn Express, if not Friday)

9 a.m. ROUND ONE (Preset)

11:30 LUNCH (Lakeview cafeteria)

1 p.m. ROUND TWO (Preset)

4 p.m. ROUND THREE (Powered)

Sunday, October 18th
8 a.m. Pairings released (Holiday Inn Express)

9 a.m. ROUND FOUR (Powered)

11:30 LUNCH (Skyline cafeteria)

1 p.m. ROUND FIVE (Powered)

4 p.m. ROUND SIX (Powered)

7 p.m. Partials if necessary ? Seeding Released

Monday, October 19th
7:30 a.m. Pairing released for all except Open

 7:45 a.m. Challenge Pairing and Coin Flips on Campus in the MU Ballroom



9:00 a.m. Elim Round I

10:30 or ASAP Awards Assembly.

ASAP - remaining Elim rounds.


-- 
Samuel A. Maurer
Director of Debate
Emporia State University
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From meviin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 18:55:29 2009
From: meviin at gmail.com (Sam King)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:55:29 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Paperless + Word Guide (working links)
Message-ID: <49fd4ea10908101655y5aca3ef6w1d6286fc681c8036@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently, the combination of gmail's automatic hyperlinking and
eDebate's automatic hyperlinking broke the links in my last email.
This time should work:

http://stanford.edu/~samking
http://stanford.edu/~samking/Word%20Basics%20v1.doc
http://stanford.edu/~samking/Word%20Basics%20v1.pdf
http://stanford.edu/~samking/Debate.dot
http://stanford.edu/~samking/WhitmanDebate.dot

-Sam King
Stanford Debate

From chairman.maurer at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 20:58:24 2009
From: chairman.maurer at gmail.com (Samuel Maurer)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:58:24 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] ESU Challenge Matching Rationale
Message-ID: <7fd76c680908101858y7ad1fff6w7c58b7bf15eba91c@mail.gmail.com>

************FAQ's************
1-- If it aint' broken, why fix it?

This is the questions I had the most trouble with.  It seems like every
other innovation in debate (alt use time, the 6-round wake, the 100 'RKS'
scale) were all borne of some flaw.  Speaker points became inflated, some
cross-ex's just weren't as valuable as others and people just prepped
anyway, finals of wake was starting at 3am, etc.  So what is wrong with
out-rounds as they are now?  Honestly, nothing is wrong with out-rounds
across the board.  I just feel as though our tournament has a particular
competitive character that challenge matching makes a lot of sense for
(detailed below).  To answer the question directly...Why fix it?  Because
its more fun and competitive for the competitors at the Pflaum that way.



2-- If I am a member of the #7seeded team and get challenged by the #1 seed
and win, may I "talk smack" on and/or to and/or at the #1 seed?

HELL YES!!!  This format is very conducive to "clowning fools", "chump
thumping", "talking sh*t", "kicking A$$", and "taking names".

Take this example: the #2 seed spends all night prepping for the #13 seed
that they believe they will be able to challenge in the morning.  Knowing
that they stayed up until 5:00am getting ready (for some reason).  The #1
seed decides to challenge the 7:45am zombie-looking #2 seed and knocks them
out in the octos.  The #1 seed may enjoy showering the (former) #2 seed with
some comments like "you can go back to bed now!" or "if you can't get real
sleep, I guess the next best thing is a dirt-nap in the octos!".

Another example: the #6 seed is very confident in their ability to debate in
the morning and, hence, decide to compete in something else the night before
and win.  That #6 seed will have a bullseye on their back in the morning and
will be VERY lucky if none of the top 5 seeds decide to call them out (cause
why wait until later in the day when they might be feeling better).  Serious
point is that this out-round structure discourages students from getting
their priorities mixed-up.

One last example: lets say that the #16 seed gets called-out by the #1
seed.  The #16 seed, knowing that they were a big underdog that most didn't
expect to compete in out-rounds, gets ready the 2 weeks prior to the
tournament for the #1 seed -- since they are the most likely challengee --
and beats them in the octos.  Not only have they earned the right to talk A
LOT of smack for upsetting the #1 seed, they also get the first challenge in
quarters.

Overall, I believe that the Pflaum has become a very competitive midwest***
throw-down with great competition and greater comradery.  I think challenge
matching is very conducive to amplifying the benefit and enjoyment that we
get from both.

*** = ask me about free shuttle service for folks who have to fly into KCI.



3-- Does this apply to all out-rounds or does the first set of challenges
determine the bracket?

It applies to all out-rounds.  In quarters, the current #1 seed (original or
the team that took it over), gets first challenge of the #2-#8, etc.  Seed
order = order of challenge.

If a seed above you gets taken out by a seed above them, you are bumped-up
one in the the bracket.  (e.g. #1 challenges #2 and win in octos; #3 [you]
challenges #16 and win in octos; You become the #2 seed in quarters).



4-- Why are all out-rounds flip for sides?

All challenge matched out-rounds are flip for sides to mitigate the
advantage of the higher seed.  If side constraints mattered for out-rounds,
the higher seed would functionally be able to call their opponent AND side.
Moreover, since challenges don't happen until the morning, over-night prep
would massively favor the higher seed since they would know who they were
going to debate, the side, and the challengee would have no way of knowing
either until the morning.  Conversely, if it is flip for sides the higher
seed must be confident that they can beat the challengee on either side.



5-- How does this affect prep the night before outrounds?

It definitely makes it more complicated, but prep is still possible.  Prep
the night before is complicated because of (a) no side constraints and (b)
bracket chaos vis a vis challenges.

Downsides:

*You have to prep two sides per debate = double labor per round b/c flip for
sides.

*That effect is multiplied in anticipating later debates.  In other words,
if you assume that you are going to win octofinal and can anticipate which
team will challenge you, you still have to prep for both sides in quarters.
Or maybe the bracket is so crazy by quarters that you have no idea what the
seed-order will be.

*'Surprise Attacks' -- In theory, you could be the #2 seed and prepare all
night for seeds #3-#16 and find out you're debating the #1 seed in the
morning.

*Taken together, does all this mean that if you are a coach who wants to win
at our tournament, there isn't a lot for you to do the night before
out-rounds?...

...not necessarily.

Upsides:

*We have to speculate about out-round seeding anyway (if the bracket isn't
released the night before).  Anticipating 2nd and 3rd outrounds is typically
dependant upon lucky guesses about speaker points.

*...So instead of speculating about speaker points, if a coach wants to take
a guess, they can speculate about teams' tendancies, argumentative
comfort-zones, etc. and speculate what the bracket might end-up looking
like.  Guessing about speaker points is playing the lotto; guessing about
coaching/debater tendancies is closer to poker.

*The 1 seed is the only seed that can predict the entire bracket
accurately.  Assuming that they win, the 1 seed -- while they cannot predict
the side -- can simply choose the bracket as they go.  Being the #1 seed is
especially nice.

*This puts a high premium on prelim debates.

*'Surprise Attacks' -- Maybe your team is the 3rd seed and you predict that
the top 2 seeds will go in bracket order.  Then you challenge the 4 seed and
nullify night prep at the expense of challenging a team with a 3-3 prelim
record...



6-- How does challenge matching affect pre-tournament prep?

*Execution is key -- prelim premium + out-round chaos = you better just be
able to execute better than them.

*If you know that you are bringing a team to the Pflaum that has only an
outside chance of breaking in open that -- in order to break -- you will
have to beat a team that...

either (a) you'll be looking-up at in the prelims

or (b) will likely target you in outrounds.

*...hence, prepping the top 5 seeds before the tournament is worth your
time.

*And if you are one of the top 5 seeds and you were expected to be before
the tournament, be careful what you wish for.  That seemingly meek #14 seed
that you have never seen before might have been studying your over-confident
ass for the last two weeks...



7-- What criteria might determine who one challenges in outrounds?

*Who is getting ready/has gotten ready for you and how much you think that
matters.

*Who you may need head-to-head rounds against when 1st/2nd round bids come
around.

*Who slept.

*Which district teams you have great strategies against.

*Who you think you are most likely to beat.

*Which fools have been runnin' their mouths too much and need to be
re-educated.



8-- One more thing...

Although there is a lot of ambiguity about outrounds and sides, we will be
keeping an extensive caselist on the wiki in as close to real time as we can
get it.  By outround day, we'll have a lot of intel up.



Look forward to hosting many of you in October!

Sam




-- 
Samuel A. Maurer
Director of Debate
Emporia State University
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From chairman.maurer at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 14:14:21 2009
From: chairman.maurer at gmail.com (Samuel Maurer)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:14:21 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] 54th Annual George R. R. Pflaum Debate Tournament
	Invitation
In-Reply-To: <7fd76c680908101401v4bf0b55dr809de7136b3033db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7fd76c680908101401v4bf0b55dr809de7136b3033db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7fd76c680908111214r2c9708c5tc5dd6d662fccd690@mail.gmail.com>

The code for the block of rooms we have at the Guesthouse is actually
kg0000   (those are all zeros).  You should also be able to just tell them
Emporia State Debate Tournament as well but have the code just in case.

Sorry about any confusion,

Sam

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Samuel Maurer <chairman.maurer at gmail.com>wrote:

> NEW THINGS:
>
>
> *New Tournament Hotel ? We?ll be using the Guesthouse Inn as our tournament
> hotel this year.  We have reserved a block of 35 rooms and can get more if
> that fills up quickly (thus, it would help everyone out if you make
> reservations quickly).  It?s a bigger hotel than the Holiday Inn or
> Fairfield with more accommodations (atrium, bar, etc.).  A few folks who
> have stayed there in the past have told me that they very much enjoyed
> their stay so I hope others will as well.  Again, if that block fills-up
> quickly, I can get plenty of extra rooms so please let me know.
>
>
> *No Novice Division Initially ? I support novice debate and think watching
> someone come in with no previous experience and having them develop is one
> of the greatest feelings one can have as a coach.  And it is for that
> reason we will not be offering a novice division, at least initially, this
> year.  In the past few years, we?ve tried to have a novice division that
> didn?t make and was collapsed into JV.  I think this is a terrifying
> experience for novices who find out their division is collapsing three days
> before the tournament and I feel terrible every year I do it.  Thus, if
> you have novices that you would like to bring, let me know by October 5thhow many teams you could field.
> If I get enough interest that I?m fairly sure the novice division will
> make, I?ll create it.  If you have novices that you really want to travel,
> put them in the JV division since that?s seems to be what happens anyway.
> Pending the number of teams that are eligible, we will also have a novice
> break-out.
>
>
> *Alternate Use Time ? Instead of 10 minutes of prep time and 2 Cross-ex?s,
> each team will have 16 minutes of alternate use time.
>
>
> *Challenge Matching in Open Out-rounds ? Instead of a traditional bracket,
> open out-rounds will be paired via Challenge Matching.  I will outline a
> specific set of rules for this before the tournament but here?s the idea:
>
>
> 1.  All teams participating in the open out-rounds will arrive at the
> tournament 1:15 before round start time.
>
>
> 2.  The #1 seed will choose which team they would like to challenge.  They
> may challenge any other seed from #2-#16.
>
>
> 3.  Once the pairing for the debate for the #1 seed is determined, a coin
> will be flipped to determine sides.  ALL OUT-ROUNDS WILL BE FLIP FOR SIDES
> ? pre-lim side constraints do not matter.
>
>
> 4.  Once sides are determined, the #2 seed will challenge any team below
> them in seed order (#3-#16), with the exception of the team that was
> challenged by the #1 seed.
>
>
> 5.  Flip a coin to determine sides, repeat, etc.
>
>
> 6.  Challenge Matching will ONLY APPLY TO FULL OPEN OUT-ROUNDS.  Does not
> apply to any potential open partials.  Does not apply to JV and Novice
> out-rounds.
>
>
> I?ll send another post to edebate about the rationale for Challenge
> Matching.
>
>
>
>
> Dear Community,
>
>  On behalf of Emporia State University, the Department of Communication and
> Theatre, and Hornet Debate, it is my privilege to invite you to the
> 54th Annual George R. R. Pflaum Debate Tournament in Emporia, KS. The
> tournament will be held October 18th through the 20th, 2008 with
> Registration at one of the tournament hotels, Holiday Inn Express, on
> October 18th.
>
>  We are pleased to be offering 6 rounds of debate in Open, Junior Varsity
> and novice divisions. We know many prefer an 8 round format, however, we
> believe that a 6 round format encourages wellness (and sleep). Final round
> schedule will depend on entries and facilities. We will make every effort
> to keep divisions separate, but again, divisions are entry dependent.
> A final schedule will follow closer to the tournament date.
>
>  We believe we offer a fine slate of competition in the Midwest tradition,
> as well as great hospitality, as some of you who have been here before can
> attest. We will continue that hospitality and then some.
>
>  We do hope you will join us here in October to help celebrate our
> tournament.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sam Maurer
> Director of Debate
> smaurer at emporia.edu
> (620) 341-5705 office
> (509) 270-1507 cell
>
> James Taylor
> Assistant Director of Debate
>
>
> LODGING INFORMATION - MAKE RESERVATIONS SOON.
>
> TOURNAMENT HOTELS ? Tournament hotels ? We have block reservations made at
> the Guesthouse Inn, the Holiday Inn, and the Candlewood Suites.  All of
> these hotels are at the intersection of I-35 and Industrial Rd so they are
> all in roughly the same area and there are many places to dine in close
> proximity.  DO NOT SMOKE IN ROOMS: they charge you $250 PER DAY if they
> think you smoked in a room at the Fairfield.
> All blocks close on September 16th.  Please make sure to make your
> reservations in a timely manner.  As mentioned before, we?re trying to
> encourage people to stay in the Guesthouse Inn as the central tournament
> hotel (but we will deliver pairings in the morning to all three).  The
> rate for all three hotels is $79 per night.  All tournament blocks are
> reserved under the Emporia Debate Tournament.
>
>
> The Guesthouse Inn - 2700 W 18th Ave Emporia, KS 66801 (620) 341-9199
>
>
> The Holiday Inn Express - 2921 W 18th Avenue (620) 341-9393 $79.00
>
>  The Candlewood Suites - 2602 CANDLEWOOD DRIVE (620)-343-7756
>
>
> NOTE: If the block fills-up at both hotels, please let me know and I can
> speak with the managers about getting more rooms at the block rate.  Please
> make your reservations soon, however, as I cannot get extra rooms the week
> of the tournament.
>
> TOURNAMENT INFORMATION
>
> TRANSPORTATION: Emporia is located at the major highway junction of I-335
> and I-35. Those of you driving will have little trouble finding the
> University or the hotel, as both are located within two blocks of
> I-35. For those of you flying, the Emporia airport does have shuttle
> service to KCI, but you will find flying into Kansas City
> International Airport the cheapest option.  If notified in advance,
> ESU can provide transportation for teams flying into KCI free of cost.
>  We would like to see more regional diversity at our tournament so we
> will provide this service free of cost.  Please let us know ASAP if
> you want a lift.
>
> GUIDELINES: The Pflaum will abide by all relevant CEDA guidelines on
> sexual
> harassment and debater eligibility.
>
> TOPIC: We will use the 2009-10 CEDA/NDT topic.
>
> TIMES: 9-3-6 with 16 minutes of alternate use time.
>
> DIVISIONS: We will offer Junior Varsity and Open levels of
> competition, eligibility by CEDA guidelines. We reserve the right to
> collapse
> divisions if entries warrant. We will try to preserve novice as a primary
> concern.
>
> AWARDS: will be awarded to the top 10 speakers in all divisions that
> warrant, more if the numbers are there, less if not. Suitable awards will
> be given to all out round participants.
>
> SMOKING: ESU is a minimal smoking campus, smoking is allowed 25ft away
> from buildings, we ask your help in enforcing this policy as well as
> being aware of the mess smoking creates outside of buildings.
>
> ELIMINATION ROUNDS: Will be held as per the CEDA formula, we anticipate at
> least quarters in all divisions, octos in open.  If teams are forced
> to go maverick because of extenuating circumstances, they will be
> allowed to debate but not to clear.
>
> ENTRY FEES: $85 per policy team.
>
> JUDGING GUIDELINES: Each team is expected to provide one qualified judge
> for every two teams entered. One team will equal a half commitment (3
> rounds). Fees for uncovered teams will be $100, of course we would rather
> have your judges than your money. We reserve the right to limit entries
> based on available judges from any school. We do not have any judges
> available locally for hire at this time (except JT who might be spoken for
> already). We encourage you to post to edebate to get folks to come out of
> the woodwork. If you have judges for hire, please let us know ASAP, and we
> will get them hooked up with folks. Each judge is expected to render a
> decision before the start time of the next round, in a timely manner, with
> ONE team given the win. ALL JUDGES ARE OBLIGATED THROUGH THE FIRST
> ELIM ROUND OR ONE ROUND PAST THE ELIMINATION OF THEIR SQUAD, Please abide
> by that rule.
>
> If you would like to hire judges through the tournament (e.g. you pay
> us, we pay the judge, what you pay the judge goes on your receipt) let
> me know and we can make arrangements.
>
> ENTRIES: We support the Brushke site, and entry ability should be up this
> evening. Deadline for Entries is Wednesday, January 9th, please send them
> in early so we can plan food.
>
> Get your entries in ASAP.
>
> ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE
>
> Friday, October 17th
> 7 p.m. - 9 p.m. Registration, Holiday Inn Express (pairings may be released
> at 10 p.m. or so for 1 and 2)
>
> Saturday, October 17th
> 8 a.m. Pairing released (Holiday Inn Express, if not Friday)
>
> 9 a.m. ROUND ONE (Preset)
>
> 11:30 LUNCH (Lakeview cafeteria)
>
> 1 p.m. ROUND TWO (Preset)
>
> 4 p.m. ROUND THREE (Powered)
>
> Sunday, October 18th
> 8 a.m. Pairings released (Holiday Inn Express)
>
> 9 a.m. ROUND FOUR (Powered)
>
> 11:30 LUNCH (Skyline cafeteria)
>
> 1 p.m. ROUND FIVE (Powered)
>
> 4 p.m. ROUND SIX (Powered)
>
> 7 p.m. Partials if necessary ? Seeding Released
>
> Monday, October 19th
> 7:30 a.m. Pairing released for all except Open
>
>  7:45 a.m. Challenge Pairing and Coin Flips on Campus in the MU Ballroom
>
>
>
> 9:00 a.m. Elim Round I
>
> 10:30 or ASAP Awards Assembly.
>
> ASAP - remaining Elim rounds.
>
>
> --
> Samuel A. Maurer
> Director of Debate
> Emporia State University
>



-- 
Samuel A. Maurer
Director of Debate
Emporia State University
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From kel1773 at msn.com  Tue Aug 11 16:54:37 2009
From: kel1773 at msn.com (Kelly Young)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:54:37 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Wayne State Motor City Classic Invite-October 24-26, 2009
Message-ID: <COL120-W19D3F50B06C808CA039595A5070@phx.gbl>



Greetings:

Attached is the invite for our 2009 tournament. We hope you can join us in the Motor City this October. If you have questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.

Kelly

Kelly M. Young, Ph.D.

Director of Forensics/

Assistant Professor

Communication Department

Wayne State University

585 Manoogian Hall

Detroit, MI 48201

(313) 577-2953

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From harrismj4 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 17:06:32 2009
From: harrismj4 at gmail.com (Martell J Zool Harris)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:06:32 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] 54th Annual George R. R. Pflaum Debate Tournament
 Invitation
Message-ID: <4a81eb5a.07045a0a.1518.ffff8215@mx.google.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Maurer <chairman.maurer at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:14 PM
To: EDEBATE <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Subject: Re: [eDebate] 54th Annual George R. R. Pflaum Debate Tournament Invitation

The code for the block of rooms we have at the Guesthouse is actually kg0000?? (those are all zeros).? You should also be able to just tell them Emporia State Debate Tournament as well but have the code just in case.

Sorry about any confusion,

Sam

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Samuel Maurer <chairman.maurer at gmail.com> wrote:
NEW THINGS:

*New Tournament Hotel ? We?ll be using the Guesthouse Inn as our tournament hotel this year.? We have reserved a block of 35 rooms and can get more if that fills up quickly (thus, it would help everyone out if you make reservations quickly).? It?s a bigger hotel than the Holiday Inn or Fairfield with more accommodations (atrium, bar, etc.).? A few folks who have stayed there in the past have told me that they very much enjoyed their stay so I hope others will as well.? Again, if that block fills-up quickly, I can get plenty of extra rooms so please let me know.

*No Novice Division Initially ? I support novice debate and think watching someone come in with no previous experience and having them develop is one of the greatest feelings one can have as a coach.? And it is for that reason we will not be offering a novice division, at least initially, this year.? In the past few years, we?ve tried to have a novice division that didn?t make and was collapsed into JV.? I think this is a terrifying experience for novices who find out their division is collapsing three days before the tournament and I feel terrible every year I do it.? Thus, if you have novices that you wou

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From andy.edebate at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 17:07:04 2009
From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:07:04 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Help me with an idea
Message-ID: <9368bc9b0908111507s42352c07p8415cd26c30966f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am trying to start a new organization that teaches young people(many of
whom are debaters, but many of whom are not) to learn the internet skills
they need to amplify their ideas, solutions, stories, and plans . The
business, Bmore Connected is a social enterprise and once trained the young
people would be eligible for employment. I am competing in the Ideablob
contest (again) and i need your help. VOTE 4 BmoreConnected @Ideablob.  3
steps. 1.Register http://ideablob.com/signup  2.Confirm Email  3. Vote
http://bit.ly/X3Ojn #bmore". You will notice that it is formatted like a
tweet, if you like the idea after you vote post it n to your twitter, and
make it your facebook status (when it goes to add the link box because you
included a link simply delete the link box and it will set as your
status)....i would also love your advice and feedback.

Thanks.
PS @debatetwit which made its debut at the NDT will be back this year, keep
an eye out for an announcement in the early part of the season.
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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 11 17:56:13 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:56:13 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Congrats to John Foy, new ADOF @ Weber State
Message-ID: <SNT121-W12722E047287CF111C2809D3070@phx.gbl>


Hello:

 

Congrats to John Foy for becoming the new Assistant Director of Forensics at Weber State University for the 09-10 year.

 

This is a full-time faculty position that includes both forensics obligations, teaching obligations, service and scholarship expectations.

 

Weber State looks forward to the excellence John will bring to our program, department, college, and university.

 

You've come along way, baby! :)

 

OG








Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM
 
 



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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:23:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] eDebate Digest, Vol 46, Issue 24 (Action Required)
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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 11 21:06:01 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:06:01 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] ADA nationals -  Where is it?
Message-ID: <SNT121-W55D32385AB1D57AA0E3C54D3040@phx.gbl>


Where and when is it this year folks?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

OG








Omar G Guevara II
Director of Forensics
Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

801.626.6220 (Office)
801.668.6910 (Cell)
 
Oguevara at hotmail.com
Oguevara at weber.edu
 


PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM
 
 



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From kel1773 at msn.com  Tue Aug 11 23:40:30 2009
From: kel1773 at msn.com (Kelly Young)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:40:30 -0400
Subject: [eDebate]  ADA nationals - Where is it?
Message-ID: <COL120-W329427210CFB5DD6B3B9A2A5040@phx.gbl>


Vandy is the answer to where. When I can't recall.



Kelly

Kelly M. Young, Ph.D.

Director of Forensics/

Assistant Professor

Communication Department

Wayne State University

585 Manoogian Hall

Detroit, MI 48201

(313) 577-2953

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From regedebate at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 09:00:57 2009
From: regedebate at gmail.com (David Register)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:00:57 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] EDI Distance Participation
Message-ID: <8f08f7f30908120700w41b784b9ue2062c1a4c11deb7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Several people have indicated a desire to participate in the EDI policy
program (August 16 - 23), but have found traveling to Burlington
cost-prohibitive.  So, we invite you to participate in our cooperative
effort from home.

To take part in the EDI from a distance you need to:

            -Indicate your interest (send an email to me at
David.Register at uvm.edu)

            -Send a $25 check payable to University of Vermont (a donation
to the debate team) to LJ Palardy,

             Speech & Debate, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA


            -Complete a small research assignment by Thursday morning,
August 20

People who take part in the EDI from a distance will receive the complete
evidence set and access to videos of all EDI lectures.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

David Register

UVM
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From debate at ou.edu  Wed Aug 12 09:05:33 2009
From: debate at ou.edu (Massey, Jackie B.)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:05:33 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] LuggageFees - You pay?
Message-ID: <650DB0CBB8E8E3418E627BD179329677FEA95D0E01@XMAIL2.sooner.net.ou.edu>

Hello,

I dont read the paperless discussions because I am not such a huge tech fan, and feel if your teams only carry one or two teams, we can find a remedy.

How much do you think luggage fees added on to your team expenses this past season?

I know it reaches the 1,000's for some, but 5-`10 for anyone?

If you have a good estimate or have done a study, let me know.

peace

jackie

From dave at miami.edu  Wed Aug 12 12:14:29 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:14:29 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] ADA nationals - Where is it?
In-Reply-To: <COL120-W329427210CFB5DD6B3B9A2A5040@phx.gbl>
References: <COL120-W329427210CFB5DD6B3B9A2A5040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F6E4AA7F0B72244192354122A9FBD808147647BBAA@MBX03.cgcent.miami.edu>

1st weekend in March


David L. Steinberg
Director of Debate, Lecturer in Communication Studies
University of Miami
PO Box 248127
Coral Gables, FL  33124

FLW 3015
305-284-5553
204-385-5216 (fax)
dave at miami.edu<mailto:dave at miami.edu>
http://debate.miami.edu/






________________________________
From: edebate-bounces at www.ndtceda.com [edebate-bounces at www.ndtceda.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Young [kel1773 at msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:40 AM
To: edebate at ndtceda.com
Subject: [eDebate] ADA nationals - Where is it?

Vandy is the answer to where. When I can't recall.



Kelly

Kelly M. Young, Ph.D.
Director of Forensics/
Assistant Professor
Communication Department
Wayne State University
585 Manoogian Hall
Detroit, MI 48201
(313) 577-2953


From andy.edebate at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 09:00:57 2009
From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:00:57 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Do you remember what debate was like
Message-ID: <9368bc9b0908130700h59d447cco39cad74ff922513d@mail.gmail.com>

Before we won the war? Before being topical was an option not a requirement?
Do you remember?
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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Thu Aug 13 13:01:16 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:01:16 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by South Florida St. Pete
Message-ID: <552559109A864EDA95025DB2B3C8041F@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Bayside Debate @ USF St. Pete
Starts:11/6/2009
Ends:11/8/2009
Hosted by: South Florida St. Pete
Contact: David Trigaux (President)
Address: 1000 15th AVE N St. Petersburg FL. 33704
Phone: 727-873-4583
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True
Divisions Offered: 
Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
JV with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From catspathat at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:56:23 2009
From: catspathat at gmail.com (Abers)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:56:23 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Fwd: Twitter: The Digital Dallas Perkins
Message-ID: <e463cc660908131156j7b752d7eid167ab46393de918@mail.gmail.com>

A forward from Edmund Zagorin

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Edmund Zagorin <multiplicit at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Subject: Twitter: A Digital Dallas Perkins
To: edebate at ndtceda.com


Against the backdrop of the debate community's increasing entanglement with
digital technology through paperless debate, I would like to share a recent
experience/experiment at the Arizona Debate Institute as food for thought
and play.

Those who work with novice and JV debaters probably are aware that the early
debate learning curve is very process-oriented, where information is less
important than skill/ability, and both are acquired incrementally, through
practice and repetition. In other words, knowing what to do is different
than being able to do it, and the former is more important than the latter.
Too often, debate jargon and "sports talk" commentary about arguments being
conceded, won or lost take the place of actual substantive discussion of
issues and true clash. Which is to say that sometimes knowing what to do
right ("we're totally winning this link debate, extend our links, they are
way better than the other teams links because they subsume them") can take
the place of actually doing it i.e. actually making the argument ("our NYT
evidence says that Senator Sessions opposes the plan because his
constituency relies on stockpile maintenance for a substantial portion of
their job market which means he's willing to go to the mat-- their evidence
just says that *some* Democrats are in favor of it but doesn't say who or
what their level of commitment is, which means you should prefer our link
evidence").

Practice speeches, speaking drills, stop-start mini-debates are all ways to
work on different mechanical and conceptual elements of the debate round,
but ultimately there is no substitute for in-round experience. However, the
current format of in-round pedagogy is left entirely up to the debaters,
which means that particularly in novice and JV, the benefit is entirely
informational, rather than skill-based. By this I mean that after the debate
is over, judges tell the debaters what they did right, wrong, and how they
can improve. The debaters then internalize that information, and hopefully
succeed in translating into skill sets and thus do better the next time a
similar situation comes up, provided that the comments are beneficial.
However, there are many cases, as I observed at the ADI, where the value of
the actual debate itself in terms of being a motivating incentive is mooted
early on by simply missing the boat, i.e. not making arguments, reading
untagged cards for an entire speech, filling progressive rebuttals with
entirely different arguments then previous speeches, saying "extend my
argument" rather than re-explaining the argument and so on. While post-round
correction can certainly be valuable, I would like to suggest another
possible option that would make possible a more process-oriented in-round
pedagogy, that allows for the development of skills through immediate rather
than post hoc course correction.

I judged a debate at the ADI tournament where both teams had already lost
two rounds and were more interested in the educational than competitive
value of the round that was about to take place. I suggested the following
proposition: all four debaters create twitter accounts and follow my twitter
account prior to the debate starting. I would send general comments and
suggestions throughout the debate round that could be acted upon in and
during speeches. All four debaters agreed to try it. During the debate I
posted comments and suggestions that were simultaneously be visible to all
four debaters, ranging from "read fewer cards, give more explanation of the
argument" to "NB: Vietnam and North Korea were not nuclear countries when
the the US fought wars against them" to "give more historical examples" to
"The neg is only defending the status quo, so multiple worlds is not an
applicable theory argument". The debaters occasionally referred to the
twitter stream throughout the round at various intervals, to what extent I
am not entirely certain, although the Vietnam/Korea one did come up in
cross-ex when discussing the applicability of historical examples to the
Prolif=Peace hypothesis. The round was the best I judged all day, although
it is possible that this was only due to the skill level of the
participants.

Following the round, I asked for feedback on the experiment. All four
debaters agreed that it had been helpful, and that they had appreciated the
comments. They further added that they often found the silence and
inscrutability of judges difficult during debates as they tried to asses
whether or not they were doing a good job, and that post-round comments were
often too specific to be helpful in the following debate which might be
about entirely different issues, and on top of that, comments needed to be
remembered and internalized and then reproduced at the right moment to be
applicable for improvement, whereas the real-time comments of the twitter
stream allowed them to improve their execution as it was actually going on.

As many in the community know, my experiment is not particularly novel,
given that some judges have been verbally intervening in debates for
decades, and that such intervention is usually appreciated by the
participants for exactly the reasons that the debaters I judged voiced--
namely in-round course correction and a rough perception of the judges
reaction to arguments. Although there are probably a number of examples,
Dallas Perkins first comes to my mind, who will inject such helpful gems as
"Not buyin' it" from the adjudicatory peanut gallery into the speeches of
debaters who are, unbeknownst to themselves, having difficulty selling their
schtick. While Dallas is totally sweet, I'm not sure how I'd feel about a
community populated exclusively by Dallas-replicants, even if only in
interventionary style alone. Which is to say, I for one do not trust judges
to per se properly limit or be fair in their verbal interventions, plus no
one really likes being interrupted, even if the interruption contains
competitively valuable information. However, there may be a way to
technologically replicate the beneficial aspects of the pedagogical method
of Dallas Perkins without the attendant annoyances of giving birth to a
hydra-headed multi-Dallas. [Btw, am indebted to Abe Corrigan for the term
"digital dallas".]

Twitter provides a mechanism for non-verbal communication that is
simultaneously accessible to all participants and is limited in scope by the
number of characters per tweet. Particularly for novice and JV debaters, I
think that this could be a valuable pedagogical tool for each debater to get
more out of each round, and to re-focus novice debate pedagogy from the pure
"banking" retention and repetition of information, to the more
process-oriented acquisition of skill sets. This is particularly true if
comments are limited to suggestions for rhetorical presentation, form rather
than content of analysis and debate techne in general, rather than
ultra-specific to the argument being made. If teams lack a computer,
tournaments might consider providing a projector to make the twitter stream
viewable by all participants from a single location.

I would also like to suggest that this method might be doubly valuable for
squads with novice/JV programs that are going paperless. In all four debates
I judged, more time was spent on figuring out the paperless transfers of
speeches than was spent on prep time. This suggests that paperless presents
unique challenges to novices, as the technological execution provides yet
another diversion from focus that should be spent preparing speeches. This
is particularly true in the instance where the debaters are learning how to
flow and need to see the evidence in order to visualize the argument-- a
process that is massively slower for new users of paperless systems. Twitter
could prove valuable in novice programs as a system of keeping an "open
flow", where the debaters could refer to the judges actual flow of each
speech through Twitter to fill the holes they missed while waiting for
documents to load, screens to unfreeze, mice to gain traction and all of the
other one or two second process gap distractions that can easily make
debaters miss an argument or more. Once again, the flow could be projected
on the wall, avoiding possible Twitter-access problems.

Thoughts? I am currently traveling and will probably not be able to respond
for a few weeks, but feel free to email anyway.

Best,

Edmund Zagorin
University of Michigan
twitter @multiplicit
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From byrdrebel69 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 14:48:22 2009
From: byrdrebel69 at yahoo.com (RJ Giglio)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Do you remember what debate was like?
Message-ID: <695461.52900.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I do find it a bit ironic that you call out gonzo for speaking for the collective yet use war metaphors in a quite collective manner to declare the death of topical debate.



      
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From alfred.snider at uvm.edu  Thu Aug 13 17:09:20 2009
From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred C Snider)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:09:20 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Music to cut cards by
Message-ID: <4A848F10.2000508@uvm.edu>

I was cataloging some of my old radio programs and I came upon one from 
20 years ago this week, and it is a radio program about nuclear weapons.

If you want to listen to music about nuclear weapons while you cut cards 
about nuclear weapons, check it out. You think the SQ is crazy, check 
out what Ronald Reagan had to say back then. He was president. You could 
always depend on the Dead Kennedys and Gil Scott-Heron to make fun of that.

http://collegeofmusicalknowledge.blogspot.com/2009/08/1984-08-17-atomic-mixpost-nuclear-party.html

Best wishes in all your labors,

Tuna

-- 
Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics
University of Vermont
Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA
Lawrence Debate Union http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/LDU/
Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com
Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu
802-656-0097 office telephone
802-656-4275 office fax


From josenk at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 23:56:28 2009
From: josenk at gmail.com (Josen Kalra)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:56:28 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] law review articles research
Message-ID: <2ffe87450908132156s62ed5f7aj559926ad913ba779@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone help with researching law review articles on the internet with
out a lexis/nexis and westlaw password? is there a website that contains law
review articles that i can search through especially one with a citation
search function?

thanks.

Josen
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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Fri Aug 14 01:37:23 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:37:23 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Missouri State
Message-ID: <E08D88868D0349EA94DFF4C76D1857AC@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Bear-Shock
Starts:9/26/2009
Ends:9/28/2009
Hosted by: Missouri State
Contact: Eric Morris
Address: 901 S National Ave
Phone: 417-836-7636
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False
Divisions Offered: 
Open with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Doubles
JV with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Novice with 7 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From privethedge at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 07:15:29 2009
From: privethedge at yahoo.com (Duane Hyland)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Fwd: Twitter: The Digital Dallas Perkins
In-Reply-To: <e463cc660908131156j7b752d7eid167ab46393de918@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <826325.11017.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This reminds me of something that was done at the Towson fall tournament back in '89. At that tournament, in the ADA policy division, judges were able to spend four minutes prior to the 1NR telling the debaters what they really wanted them to focus on for the rebuttals - what arguments they were paying attention to, etc. It was very effective (I think Dr. Logue was doing some research on this, although I cannot be sure) for focusing the rebuttal arguments. Using twitter to do the same in novice and JV rounds may help novice and JV debaters improve their debating skills..it should certainly be experimented with.










"You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson"
"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by??its collision with error." John S. Mill
?
President Barack Obama: "So explain to me exactly what this National Geospatial...uh..." (Politico5/29/09)? Boy..do I feel safe......

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Abers <catspathat at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Abers <catspathat at gmail.com>
Subject: [eDebate] Fwd: Twitter: The Digital Dallas Perkins
To: edebate at ndtceda.com
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:56 PM


A forward from Edmund Zagorin



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Edmund Zagorin <multiplicit at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Subject: Twitter: A Digital Dallas Perkins
To: edebate at ndtceda.com


Against the backdrop of the debate community's increasing entanglement with digital technology through paperless debate, I would like to share a recent experience/experiment at the Arizona Debate Institute as food for thought and play. 

Those who work with novice and JV debaters probably are aware that the early debate learning curve is very process-oriented, where information is less important than skill/ability, and both are acquired incrementally, through practice and repetition. In other words, knowing what to do is different than being able to do it, and the former is more important than the latter. Too often, debate jargon and "sports talk" commentary about arguments being conceded, won or lost take the place of actual substantive discussion of issues and true clash. Which is to say that sometimes knowing what to do right ("we're totally winning this link debate, extend our links, they are way better than the other teams links because they subsume them") can take the place of actually doing it i.e. actually making the argument ("our NYT evidence says that Senator Sessions opposes the plan because his constituency relies on stockpile maintenance for a substantial portion of their
 job market which means he's willing to go to the mat-- their evidence just says that some Democrats are in favor of it but doesn't say who or what their level of commitment is, which means you should prefer our link evidence"). 

Practice speeches, speaking drills, stop-start mini-debates are all ways to work on different mechanical and conceptual elements of the debate round, but ultimately there is no substitute for in-round experience. However, the current format of in-round pedagogy is left entirely up to the debaters, which means that particularly in novice and JV, the benefit is entirely informational, rather than skill-based. By this I mean that after the debate is over, judges tell the debaters what they did right, wrong, and how they can improve. The debaters then internalize that information, and hopefully succeed in translating into skill sets and thus do better the next time a similar situation comes up, provided that the comments are beneficial. However, there are many cases, as I observed at the ADI, where the value of the actual debate itself in terms of being a motivating incentive is mooted early on by simply missing the boat, i.e. not making arguments, reading
 untagged cards for an entire speech, filling progressive rebuttals with entirely different arguments then previous speeches, saying "extend my argument" rather than re-explaining the argument and so on. While post-round correction can certainly be valuable, I would like to suggest another possible option that would make possible a more process-oriented in-round pedagogy, that allows for the development of skills through immediate rather than post hoc course correction.

I judged a debate at the ADI tournament where both teams had already lost two rounds and were more interested in the educational than competitive value of the round that was about to take place. I suggested the following proposition: all four debaters create twitter accounts and follow my twitter account prior to the debate starting. I would send general comments and suggestions throughout the debate round that could be acted upon in and during speeches. All four debaters agreed to try it. During the debate I posted comments and suggestions that were simultaneously be visible to all four debaters, ranging from "read fewer cards, give more explanation of the argument" to "NB: Vietnam and North Korea were not nuclear countries when the the US fought wars against them" to "give more historical examples" to "The neg is only defending the status quo, so multiple worlds is not an applicable theory argument". The debaters occasionally referred to the twitter
 stream throughout the round at various intervals, to what extent I am not entirely certain, although the Vietnam/Korea one did come up in cross-ex when discussing the applicability of historical examples to the Prolif=Peace hypothesis. The round was the best I judged all day, although it is possible that this was only due to the skill level of the participants. 

Following the round, I asked for feedback on the experiment. All four debaters agreed that it had been helpful, and that they had appreciated the comments. They further added that they often found the silence and inscrutability of judges difficult during debates as they tried to asses whether or not they were doing a good job, and that post-round comments were often too specific to be helpful in the following debate which might be about entirely different issues, and on top of that, comments needed to be remembered and internalized and then reproduced at the right moment to be applicable for improvement, whereas the real-time comments of the twitter stream allowed them to improve their execution as it was actually going on.

As many in the community know, my experiment is not particularly novel, given that some judges have been verbally intervening in debates for decades, and that such intervention is usually appreciated by the participants for exactly the reasons that the debaters I judged voiced-- namely in-round course correction and a rough perception of the judges reaction to arguments. Although there are probably a number of examples, Dallas Perkins first comes to my mind, who will inject such helpful gems as "Not buyin' it" from the adjudicatory peanut gallery into the speeches of debaters who are, unbeknownst to themselves, having difficulty selling their schtick. While Dallas is totally sweet, I'm not sure how I'd feel about a community populated exclusively by Dallas-replicants, even if only in interventionary style alone. Which is to say, I for one do not trust judges to per se properly limit or be fair in their verbal interventions, plus no one really likes being
 interrupted, even if the interruption contains competitively valuable information. However, there may be a way to technologically replicate the beneficial aspects of the pedagogical method of Dallas Perkins without the attendant annoyances of giving birth to a hydra-headed multi-Dallas. [Btw, am indebted to Abe Corrigan for the term "digital dallas".]

Twitter provides a mechanism for non-verbal communication that is simultaneously accessible to all participants and is limited in scope by the number of characters per tweet. Particularly for novice and JV debaters, I think that this could be a valuable pedagogical tool for each debater to get more out of each round, and to re-focus novice debate pedagogy from the pure "banking" retention and repetition of information, to the more process-oriented acquisition of skill sets. This is particularly true if comments are limited to suggestions for rhetorical presentation, form rather than content of analysis and debate techne in general, rather than ultra-specific to the argument being made. If teams lack a computer, tournaments might consider providing a projector to make the twitter stream viewable by all participants from a single location.

I would also like to suggest that this method might be doubly valuable for squads with novice/JV programs that are going paperless. In all four debates I judged, more time was spent on figuring out the paperless transfers of speeches than was spent on prep time. This suggests that paperless presents unique challenges to novices, as the technological execution provides yet another diversion from focus that should be spent preparing speeches. This is particularly true in the instance where the debaters are learning how to flow and need to see the evidence in order to visualize the argument-- a process that is massively slower for new users of paperless systems. Twitter could prove valuable in novice programs as a system of keeping an "open flow", where the debaters could refer to the judges actual flow of each speech through Twitter to fill the holes they missed while waiting for documents to load, screens to unfreeze, mice to gain traction and all of the
 other one or two second process gap distractions that can easily make debaters miss an argument or more. Once again, the flow could be projected on the wall, avoiding possible Twitter-access problems.

Thoughts? I am currently traveling and will probably not be able to respond for a few weeks, but feel free to email anyway.

Best,

Edmund Zagorin
University of Michigan
twitter @multiplicit



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From timmonsa at greenhill.org  Fri Aug 14 11:32:02 2009
From: timmonsa at greenhill.org (Timmons, Aaron)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:32:02 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Greenhill School - Round Robin and Invitational
Message-ID: <C4742EC42FB98948B47A652219AD8CBE0DCD496231@ben.greenhill.org>

The Greenhill Round Robin and Greenhill Fall Classic will be held soon and we would love for the college community to come and get a head start on recruiting! The round robin will be September 10th and 11th. The invitational is the 12th ? 14th, 2009. Please contact me ASAP if you are interested in judging. We pay well and will house you. In addition we have great food!

For college coaches we have a new hotel this year, The Intercontinental ? Dallas. The web link is The web link for the Fall Classic is http://ichotelsgroup.com/redirect?path=rates&brandCode=IC&regionCode=1&localeCode=en&GPC=GHD&hotelCode=DFWHA&_PMID=99801505.

We look forward to seeing you soon. 

Aaron Timmons
Director of Debate
Greenhill School
timmonsa at greenhill.org

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From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Fri Aug 14 22:22:18 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:22:18 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Paperless Wiki
Message-ID: <4A8629EA.3020205@wfu.edu>


Following Whitman & Denver's lead, a bunch of squads are eliminating 
paper this year.

More will do it soon after. Even more High School students are working 
on doing the same.

We'll learn a lot this year about how to improve the process.

I figured it would be nice to assemble knowledge in one place.

So, I started a wiki. http://paperlessdebate.wikispaces.com/

Its got everything I've found about paperless debate so far.

Please add, edit, whatever. Its a wiki: We can make whatever we want 
from it.

--JP

ps-I know I started a little bandwagon earlier this summer when I said 
Wake was switching this year. We are delaying those plans because I 
don't think I have the time to devote to it this year.



From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Fri Aug 14 23:08:15 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:08:15 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Wake Shirley Tournament Dates 11/20 - 11/23
Message-ID: <4A8634AF.8@wfu.edu>

We will hold the 2009 Franklin R. Shirley Classic on Friday, November 
20, 2009 through Monday, November 23, 2009, with prelim debates on 
Saturday & Sunday, & elims on Monday the 23rd.

I hope you all can be there!

The Shirley is the first time of the year that tons of us can be 
together: So, we're definitely planning a memorial & celebration of the 
life of Ross Smith.

The tournament won't be the same without Ross, but we will run on time, 
there will be coffee, Krispy Kreme, bagels, scouting & a Survivor's Party.

Full invitation, schedule & hotel details will be available as soon as 
we work out the details.

We will maintain the same entry limitations as last year:
 
Entries of two teams per school will be accepted until the entry 
deadline on a first come, first served basis until we have reached our 
150 team limit (this limit is necessary due to classroom and other 
facility limitations). [Last year, our entry deadline was about 3 weeks 
before the tournament. I plan to maintain a workable deadline that gives 
squads time to enter while giving 3rd & 4th teams enough time to qualify.]

Schools may apply for more teams by adding them to the waitlist subject 
to the following:
As space permits, we will take additional teams, up to a total of four 
teams per school, as long as ALL THREE OR FOUR teams have cleared to 
elims in TWO varsity tournaments this fall. If both debaters on the team 
EITHER cleared twice this fall OR qualified for NDT in the past OR 
reached elimination rounds at CEDA Nationals in the past, the team is 
considered to have met the "cleared twice" requirement. No fourth team 
from a school will be accepted until all eligible third teams from other 
schools have been accepted.

Many of you have questions about how many preliminary debates we plan to 
hold. We haven't decided yet. Please feel free to share your thoughts 
with me or any other member of the Wake staff!

See y'all soon!

-- JP Lacy
lacyjp at wfu.edu

From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Fri Aug 14 23:21:16 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:21:16 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Wake Shirley Tournament Dates 11/20 - 11/23
In-Reply-To: <4A8634AF.8@wfu.edu>
References: <4A8634AF.8@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A8637BC.5010207@wfu.edu>

JP Lacy wrote:
> We will hold the 2009 Franklin R. Shirley Classic on Friday, November 
> 20, 2009 through Monday, November 23, 2009, with prelim debates on 
> Saturday & Sunday, & elims on Monday the 23rd.
>
> I hope you all can be there!
>
> The Shirley is the first time of the year that tons of us can be 
> together: So, we're definitely planning a memorial & celebration of 
> the life of Ross Smith.
>
> The tournament won't be the same without Ross, but we will run on 
> time, there will be coffee, Krispy Kreme, bagels, scouting & a 
> Survivor's Party.
>
> Full invitation, schedule & hotel details will be available as soon as 
> we work out the details.
>
> We will maintain the same entry limitations as last year:
>
> Entries of two teams per school will be accepted until the entry 
> deadline on a first come, first served basis until we have reached our 
> 150 team limit (this limit is necessary due to classroom and other 
> facility limitations). [Last year, our entry deadline was about 3 
> weeks before the tournament. I plan to maintain a workable deadline 
> that gives squads time to enter while giving 3rd & 4th teams enough 
> time to qualify.]
>
> Schools may apply for more teams by adding them to the waitlist 
> subject to the following:
> As space permits, we will take additional teams, up to a total of four 
> teams per school, as long as ALL THREE OR FOUR teams have cleared to 
> elims in TWO varsity tournaments this fall. If both debaters on the 
> team EITHER cleared twice this fall OR qualified for NDT in the past 
> OR reached elimination rounds at CEDA Nationals in the past, the team 
> is considered to have met the "cleared twice" requirement. No fourth 
> team from a school will be accepted until all eligible third teams 
> from other schools have been accepted.
>
> Many of you have questions about how many preliminary debates we plan 
> to hold. We haven't decided yet. Please feel free to share your 
> thoughts with me or any other member of the Wake staff!
>
> See y'all soon!
>
> -- JP Lacy
> lacyjp at wfu.edu
>


From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Fri Aug 14 23:25:30 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:25:30 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Wake Shirley Tournament Dates 11/20 - 11/23
Message-ID: <4A8638BA.4060107@wfu.edu>

We will hold the 2009 Franklin R. Shirley Classic on Friday, November 
20, 2009 through Monday, November 23, 2009, with prelim debates on 
Saturday & Sunday, & elims on Monday the 23rd.

I hope you all can be there!

The Shirley is the first time of the year that tons of us can be 
together: So, we're definitely planning a memorial & celebration of the 
life of Ross Smith.

The tournament won't be the same without Ross, but we will run on time, 
there will be coffee, Krispy Kreme, bagels, scouting & a Survivor's Party.

Full invitation, schedule & hotel details will be available as soon as 
we work out the details.

We will maintain the same entry limitations as last year:

Entries of two teams per school will be accepted until the entry 
deadline on a first come, first served basis until we have reached our 
150 team limit (this limit is necessary due to classroom and other 
facility limitations). [Last year, our entry deadline was about 3 weeks 
before the tournament. I plan to maintain a workable deadline that gives 
squads time to enter while giving 3rd & 4th teams enough time to qualify.]

Schools may apply for more teams by adding them to the waitlist subject 
to the following:
As space permits, we will take additional teams, up to a total of four 
teams per school, as long as ALL THREE OR FOUR teams have cleared to 
elims in TWO varsity tournaments this fall. If both debaters on the team 
EITHER cleared twice this fall OR qualified for NDT in the past OR 
reached elimination rounds at CEDA Nationals in the past, the team is 
considered to have met the "cleared twice" requirement. No fourth team 
from a school will be accepted until all eligible third teams from other 
schools have been accepted.

Many of you have questions about how many preliminary debates we plan to 
hold. We haven't decided yet. Please feel free to share your thoughts 
with me or any other member of the Wake staff!

See y'all soon!

-- JP Lacy
lacyjp at wfu.edu

From asymonds at asu.edu  Fri Aug 14 23:33:50 2009
From: asymonds at asu.edu (Adam Symonds)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:33:50 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to all who make the ADI great!
Message-ID: <cc5a77460908142133h388a1b5o5eed56c911d2f5bd@mail.gmail.com>

I just wanted to send everyone a quick note of thanks for making the 2009
ADI so productive this year. Above all, thanks to all of the students that
attended this year's institute at Arizona State University. Special thanks
to our staff: Dr. David Hingstman, Glen Frappier, Jason Russell, Sarah
Holbrook, Toni Nielson, Theresa Perry, Orion Steele, Steve Pointer and Dr.
Gordon Stables. I'd also like to thank the following folks for their special
guest appearances: Mike Hall for delivering the closing lecture, Dr. Jon
Bruschke for running our institute tournament tab room, and Sue Peterson for
managing the ADI Wiki. Thanks, too, to all of the fellows who worked so hard
to assist the labs in practice debates and putting out quality evidence. If
you would like to see a list of the files put out at the ADI this year,
check out our website.
Last but not least, thanks to Sylvia Symonds for being our administrative
director. Without her, this beautiful thing we have going in Tempe would
fall apart. We're looking forward to hosting everyone at the ADI in 2010!

Adam Symonds
Director of Forensics
Arizona State University
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From debate at ou.edu  Sat Aug 15 09:40:15 2009
From: debate at ou.edu (Massey, Jackie B.)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:40:15 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Stories from Loon Lake.....
Message-ID: <650DB0CBB8E8E3418E627BD179329677FEA95D0E0A@XMAIL2.sooner.net.ou.edu>

Hello,

I just wanted to take time to thank all of you who made the Call of the Loon possible.  For me, it was an incredible experiment for a summer workshop.
>From the responses I received of those who attended, it seemed to be a positive experience for our debate lives and for some it may have been almost like "life camp".
I came up with some of my top ten moments from our experience to share with everyone.  If you want to know more, get some stories from those who attended.

10.  Nader slowing down for EVERY SINGLE "Moose Crossing" sign he encountered while driving in up-state New York.  (He caught a fish too.....)
9.   JT catching 3 fish in 10 minutes
8.  Lucy; Loose Nukes, the 25th Loon.  She was the puppy dog that showed up and stayed at camp the whole time.
7.  Keil B and Vicente being beat up by Lucy as she tried to save them when they were swimming.  She thought they were drowning as they "doggy paddled" around.....
6.  The combination of fishing equipment people would choose to put on the pole.  Some underestimate the intelligence of the fish.
5.  They K-State Kayaking Team of Gloria and Heather - I think they would have slept on the island if we had pressed it. 
4.  Captain Ryan Wash - He showed up claiming he had never been in a boat; he tried to boat every day.  Refused to have a practice debate in the boat though....
3.  Jessica Whittle and the meat clever (yes! large meat cleaver) she was going to use to kill the fish they caught, only to be topped by
2. Toni Nielson and her stick of firewood she used to club that fish they caught.  Toni can strike a blow, ask the fish....especially when she holds it down with one foot.....
1. The Evening Speeches given by everyone!  


For me, I learned a lot about debate and felt like I gained many new friends from the experience.  We are confident we will try and do this again next year.
The size of the workshop will not grow, cooking for 24 people is taxing, and we feel that if it got larger it could lose some of the many advantages offered by our small group discussions.

Once again, thanks to the coaches and debaters who attended.  Everyone was important to our discussions.

Lastly, thanks to Nicole for sharing such a important family hideaway with those who attended.  She did more than one could comprehend to prepare for the workshop.  Which included getting a podium.  (clutch)  

Good Luck to all of you!

Peace,

Massey



From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 21:02:31 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:02:31 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] R U A Climate Junkie?
Message-ID: <524839830908161902g126be5b9t60a9771f24d62521@mail.gmail.com>

New 800 page book by Idso & Singer focused on refuting climate change

Free download :)

http://www.nipccreport.org/?gclid=CMPy0K7MqZwCFUdM5QoddkRsjg
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From hansonjb at whitman.edu  Mon Aug 17 05:13:06 2009
From: hansonjb at whitman.edu (Jim Hanson)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:13:06 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] plustab 2.0 released
Message-ID: <26FDE9DDA43D47F7BA287E367F396181@whitman.edu>

it took a long time but i think the wait was worth it.

PlusTab is a free debate tab software program based on Gary Larson's STA-XL.

Danny Cantrell has done magic with this new edition.

Go to the downloads page at:
http://www.plustab.com/?s=home

Highlights include:
--it is much easier to pair prelims and elims
--the program is much faster especially with saving 
--many new results options are available (the most detailed cume sheets available, final results that are great for entering sweeps results, sweepstakes and judge data information, and more)
--setting up the program is much easier
--changing judges is easier; editing pairings is easier

if you are using version 1.5 or earlier--this new version is a dramatic improvement.

jim :)
hansonjb at whitman.edu
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From carrolltondebate at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 13:39:00 2009
From: carrolltondebate at gmail.com (Joseph Carver)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:39:00 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Word templates when using Mac
Message-ID: <dd6539040908171139t61b28d7eg35409036ad2f40e4@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone who cuts cards with a Mac, and uses word, can you get back to me? I
am having nothing but troubles with the version I am using. Hoping for
something more user friendly
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From sdsuforensics at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 12:07:25 2009
From: sdsuforensics at gmail.com (Eric Robertson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:07:25 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Live Video Conference CEDA Debate League
Message-ID: <C6B02DDD.4FF0%sdsuforensics@gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,
We have been working hard this summer to get this finished and it is finally
up, a live video conferencing group for all aspects of forensics.  Please
check it out at http://www.worldforensicsnetwork.com

It functions on a few different levels:

1. Community-  World Forensics Network is a social networking website that
allows students and coaches to create profiles, add pictures, post to a
bulletin board, and join groups affiliated with their school.
2. Competition-  WFN allows for students and coaches to practice in two free
video conference rooms.  One of the rooms allows for six simultaneous live
video streams and the other allows for twelve with up to 100 people
watching.  Both are free for students and coaches!
3. Cheap-  We plan on hosting tournaments on the website.  Since teams would
not have to travel, it saves a significant amount of money while engaging in
competition from around the world.  In fact, the main page shows a clip of a
sample debate with one debater from Oxford and the other three in San Diego.

Students absolutely want this.  We already have nationally ranked debaters,
coaches, and over 70 members.  Our goal is to break 1000 members by the end
of the semester.  

This website is completely free to use.  Eventually there will be fees to
enter a tournament, but they will be minimal.

Please incorporate this amazing tool into your team structure.  It will
really do wonders for the community if done right.  Cheers!

Take a look around at http:www.worldforensicsnetwork.com

Also, the video conference rooms are only viewable to members in order to
keep them secure.  

Eric Robertson
Director of Forensics
San Diego State University
worldforensicsnetwork at gmail.com

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From beth.skinner at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 13:41:29 2009
From: beth.skinner at gmail.com (Beth Skinner)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:41:29 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] No season opener tournament this year at Towson
Message-ID: <4550c7380908181141g4ab020d0m6ec563d28f531729@mail.gmail.com>

While we've enjoyed hosting it in past years and hope to do it again in the
future our classroom space won't allow it this fall.  Major campus
construction projects are behind schedule and the place looks like ground
zero right now.  The good news is that we will have fancy new space for
JV/Novice Nationals in the spring.  Look for that info to be posted by the
end of the week.  Beth
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From spoon_22 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 18 18:27:44 2009
From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com (Aaron Hardy)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:27:44 +0000
Subject: [eDebate] New Whitman Paperless Template And Manual
Message-ID: <BAY123-W229152477881D9FC623C0FDFF0@phx.gbl>




 

The latest version of Whitman?s paperless macros and
associated user manual are finished and available at the following website:

 

http://www.whitman.edu/rhetoric/61tech.htm

 

If you?re planning on using a version of our template next
year, I strongly recommend upgrading to the new one.  It?s a significant improvement over what we
used last year, and adds a ton of new functionality.  The manual has also been revamped, so it?s
worth a peek even if you?ve read the last one.

 

Even if you?re not planning on going paperless, you might
find some of the other macros useful (like the Auto Cite Request one).

 

Here?s a short list of some of the new highlights:

 

1)  Significant new
functionality, with the ability to move or ?send? a card, block, or entire
section at a time using the same macro.  

 

2)  Several other new
features, many similar to some of the other paperless implementations.

 

3)  Bug fixes to
essentially every problem in the old version

 

4)  An ?automatic?
cite request macro that turns an entire document at a time into a cite
list.  Has the benefit of being very fast
and efficient.

 

5)  Works with .doc,
.docx, and any capitalization of Speech.doc.

 

6)  Works on XP,
Vista, Mac, and Linux, and both Word 2003 and 2007.

 

7)  The manual has an
expanded FAQ section to deal with some of the many questions I?ve received
since the last version of the manual.

 

Lastly, thanks to all the people who have helped with this
project, and a special shout out to Sam King for all his coding assistance.

 

Best,

 

hardy


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From abby.schirmer at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 18:33:55 2009
From: abby.schirmer at gmail.com (Abby Schirmer)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:33:55 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Looking for a Card Cutter
Message-ID: <ed29b200908181633q35a36fdfk672c0c361c69488a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

Stratford Academy in Macon, GA is looking for a card cutter to help us out
this year.  This person would not need to have any "coaching" or "judging"
responsibilities but would need to commit to cutting files for us on a
tournament by tournament schedule.  We will pay well for high quality
evidence!  If you are at all interested please email me at
abby.schirmer at gmail.com and i can give you the particulars and negotiate
pay.

Thanks in advance,

Abby Schirmer
Head Debate Coach
Stratford Academy
Macon, GA
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From gordonm at pitt.edu  Tue Aug 18 22:34:19 2009
From: gordonm at pitt.edu (Mitchell, Gordon Roger)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:34:19 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Stratford cattle call
Message-ID: <C9563A8511C9BB488B41E541ACC749F995FCED22E5@PITT-EXCH-07.univ.pitt.edu>

Dear Abby,

I delight in the fact that you are coaching high school debate, and I applaud your moxie in casting a wide net in your personnel search. Please take my comments with a grain of salt, as I know nothing of the Stratford team, have never been to Macon, and have been denied the pleasure of meeting you. Indeed, I would not be surprised to learn that your students are kinetically-motivated, achievement-oriented critical thinking mavens, and further that you are a talented and energetic teacher. I wish you and your team nothing but success and satisfaction. Yet the first time I read your "Looking for a Card Cutter" post to eDebate, something didn't click. Then I went back and something fell off the rails the second time when I mulled this passage in isolation:

"This person would not need to have any 'coaching' or 'judging' responsibilities but would need to commit to cutting files for us on a tournament by tournament schedule."

I'm sure you will note that my following statements will diverge from the ecumenical spirit evinced in my prefatory remarks, and so I beg your forgiveness in advance. To reiterate, I know nothing of you or your program, have nothing against you personally, and indeed savor the prospect of face-to-face conversation with you to unpack these matters.

All that said, I am moved to state with prejudice that your pitch smells. It has the stench of a Heritage Foundation-esque gambit to convert dollars into policy brief deliverables that win contest round victories, pedagogy be damned. Since again, I know nothing of you or your program, of course I cannot build or sustain such a critique. Yet I can cringe in my little corner at your scare quotes - it's not only that you are looking for "[Just] a card cutter," you also seem to be saying something about those who feel notions of "coaching" and "judging" are central, indeed, inseparable, from the profession. From a purely textual perspective, the scare quotes make your message dialogic - they are reaching out to interlocutors from which you might expect a response. I don't want to speak for you in this regard, yet I am curious in your opinion about this matter.

So, in the spirit of dialogue, I offer this opening query to a possible conversation: What are the scare quotes in your cattle call saying?

Sincerely,

Gordon

* * *

Gordon R. Mitchell
Associate Professor of Communication
Director of Graduate Studies
Director, William Pitt Debating Union
University of Pittsburgh
CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Phone: (412) 624-8531
Fax: (412) 624-1878
http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/

From andy.edebate at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 03:00:00 2009
From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:00:00 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] @debatetwit
Message-ID: <9368bc9b0908190100m2d224552g8174cdcaf6094e0b@mail.gmail.com>

The twitter account i used at the ndt is back,
http://www.twitter.com/debatetwit. I will use it to find people in the
twitterverse that deserve some good refutation and then pass those debates
on to you...I will also do the results work i did last year at the ndt, but
hopefully in an increasingly useful way over the season. Follow now and help
me develop the debate twit results application.
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From resolt2 at email.uky.edu  Wed Aug 19 09:48:59 2009
From: resolt2 at email.uky.edu (SOLT, ROGER E)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:48:59 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky Round Robin and Henry Clay updates
Message-ID: <F5BC85B8534D524DB972D2B2731CA53F3CC413C898@EX7FM01.ad.uky.edu>

The following teams and schools have accepted invitations to the Kentucky Round Robin.

Berkeley:  Bowen and Polin
Emory:  O. Inamullah and Weil
Harvard:  Jacobs and Parkinson
Michigan State:  Lanning and Wunderlich
Northwestern:  Fisher and Spies
Oklahoma:  Giglio and Watts
University of Texas at Dallas:  Baker and Rubaie
West Georgia:  Boykin and Schultz
Whitman:  Cohn and Strauss

Several notes about the Henry Clay.


 1.  There are 7 preliminary rounds, so no judge should be listed for more than that number.
 2.  In the seventh round, sides will be assigned by the computer.  It will NOT be a flip for sides.
 3.  We will use the 100 point scale.

Roger Solt

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From MikeBerry at kings.edu  Wed Aug 19 09:59:14 2009
From: MikeBerry at kings.edu (Berry, Mike)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:59:14 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Frank Harrison Memorial Debate Tournament
Message-ID: <DD2B0EC042ED0542BD8B506DCC28EEF504930E4044@MAILBOX1.kings.edu>

I apologize for the lateness of the announcement but I would like to cordially invite everyone to King's College on September 19-21, 2009 for the Frank Harrison Memorial Debate Tournament.

We are honoring Frank this year by renaming the tournament in his honor.  There will be several other special ways that we will honor his memory and contribution to debate during the tournament.

The tournament invite will be posted by no later than this Friday.

Sincerely,

Michael R. Berry
Director of Debate
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From gordonm at pitt.edu  Wed Aug 19 23:55:46 2009
From: gordonm at pitt.edu (Mitchell, Gordon Roger)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:55:46 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Call for participation - AFA Code projects
Message-ID: <C9563A8511C9BB488B41E541ACC749F995FCED22E6@PITT-EXCH-07.univ.pitt.edu>

Please join me in one or more of the following projects, which are designed as dovetailing catalysts to spark awareness and discussion about the complex entwinements of research, money and competition in the academic policy debate community.

AFA CODE ENFORCEMENT PROJECT
Article II, Section 3 of the American Forensic Association's "Code of Forensics Program and Forensics Tournament Standards for College and Universities" holds that "forensics competitors are expected to do their own research." This provision goes on to stipulate:

"A. Persons other than the forensic competitor (undergraduate students, graduate students or instructor/coaches) are not to get charged with the responsibility for doing a forensics competitor's research.
B. This provision shall not be construed to prevent coaches or assistants from engaging in limited research designed to:
(i) teach research techniques
(ii) provide limited examples of high quality research
(iii) identify areas of research which students should pursue, and
(iv) provide the coach with the working knowledge necessary to function as effective critic with respect to the debate or speech topics being investigated by his/her students."

Source: http://www.americanforensics.org/documents/afacode.html

The AFA Code Enforcement Project gathers information regarding possible Code violations of Article II, Section 3 (the "own research" clause) by AFA member debate programs. As coordinator for this project, I will collect solicited and unsolicited information relating to possible "own research" Code violations, then collate and submit credible information to the AFA Educational Development and Practices Committee in separate reports on November 1, 2009 and March 15, 2010.

Current members of the AFA Educational Development and Practices Committee:
http://www.americanforensics.org/EducPrac/Welcome.html

Article 5, Section 7 of the AFA Code spells out sanctions for member programs found by the Educational Development and Practices Committee to be in violation of the Code's "own research" clause:

"Forensics squads found guilty of using non-competitors for primary research purposes will have a note of censure published in the AFA Newsletter, with written notice of the censure communicated by the AFA President to appropriate officials at the offending school. The squad will be barred from national competitions sponsored in whole or in part by the AFA for a period of 12 calendar months from the date when the Educational Development and Practices Committee ruled the school to be in violation of this part of the Code."

Translation: Violate "own research clause" = no NDT.

AFA CODE AMENDMENT PROJECT
If you think the AFA Code Enforcement Project, and the "own research" clause that underwrites it are both bonkers, do something about it by submitting a Code amendment. Article 6 of the Code spells out the procedure: "This code may be amended by majority vote at any General Business Meeting, provided that those members with voting privileges have been notified of the proposed text of the amendment at least 30 days prior to the date of the General Business Meeting; or without prior notice by a two-third majority of those present and voting at the General Business Meeting"
The next AFA Business Meeting will likely be held at the National Communication Association Convention in Chicago, IL, on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 from 4:00pm - 5:30pm. Proposed amendments circulated to AFA members by October 11, 2009 will pass by majority vote. Other amendments presented later would need a 2/3 vote to pass.

To coordinate this project I will volunteer my assistance for those who wish to write and submit amendments, whether they call for deletion of the "own research" clause, substitution of the clause with a superior framework, or simple grammatical improvements on the existing clause language (e.g. replace "not to get charged" with "not to be charged").

AFA CODE RESEARCH PROJECT
The AFA Code was adopted in 1982. Was the "own research" clause part of the original text? If not, when was the clause added, and under what circumstances? Were there differing opinions about the wisdom of the clause at the time of its inclusion in the Code? Were there alternate wordings considered? Has the "own research" clause ever been enforced before? Were there any previous attempts to enforce it that failed?

These are non-trivial historical questions, ones with enduring salience for a debate community that continues to struggle with the corroding effects of contest round sportification. Fortunately, inaugural 1947 NDT winner and AFA historian Jerry Sanders has set up the AFA's official archive in the University of Utah Library's Special Collections. Thanks to this recent opening of this collection, many of the above questions can be answered through original research of the relevant primary documents, including official correspondence and meeting minutes.

To coordinate the AFA Code Research Project, I will organize and seek funding for a research trip to Utah, and form research teams of interested scholars for the purpose of sharing relevant findings and publishing them as components of scholarly articles reflecting on the history and contemporary relevance of the "own research" clause.

Please convey your interest in working on one or more of the following projects to gordonm at pitt.edu.

Sincerely,

Gordon

* * *

Gordon R. Mitchell
Associate Professor of Communication
Director of Graduate Studies
Director, William Pitt Debating Union
University of Pittsburgh
CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Phone: (412) 624-8531
Fax: (412) 624-1878
http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/

From alfred.snider at uvm.edu  Thu Aug 20 06:55:15 2009
From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred C Snider)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:55:15 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Tyler Henry Golf Tournament
Message-ID: <4A8D39A3.50208@uvm.edu>

http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/golf-tournament-creates-debate.html


-- 
Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics
University of Vermont
Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA
Lawrence Debate Union http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/LDU/
Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com
Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu
802-656-0097 office telephone
802-656-4275 office fax


From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Thu Aug 20 09:53:41 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:53:41 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Kings College
Message-ID: <795BE88D001E489FA8B568F561578D55@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Frank Harrison Memorial Tournament
Starts:9/18/2009
Ends:9/20/2009
Hosted by: Kings College
Contact: Mike Berry
Address: Department of Theatre and Speech, King's College, Wilkes Barre PA 18711
Phone: 570.208.5900
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False
Divisions Offered: 
Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Junior Varsity with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Doubles
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From MikeBerry at kings.edu  Thu Aug 20 09:56:48 2009
From: MikeBerry at kings.edu (Berry, Mike)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:56:48 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Frank Harrison Memorial Tournament
Message-ID: <DD2B0EC042ED0542BD8B506DCC28EEF504930E43BF@MAILBOX1.kings.edu>


                                                                                                August 20, 2009

Dear Colleague:

King's College would like to invite you to the Frank Harrison Memorial Debate Tournament on September 18-20, 2009.  The tournament is in the process of being sanctioned by the American Debate Association and the Cross Examination Debate Association and adheres to the rules of each organization including sexual harassment policies.  The preliminary rounds will be Friday and Saturday with the elimination rounds on Sunday.  We will have three divisions of debate, Open, Junior Varsity, and Novice.

 Eligibility for each division is based upon rules of the Cross Examination Debate Association and the American Debate Association.  The time limits are 9-3-6 with 10 minutes prep.

We will be using the Quality Inn/Fairfield hotels.  This is the old Holiday Inn that has been renovated. They will be provided a hot breakfast each day of the tournament. Coffee will be available at the school but there will be no breakfast served at the school. At the Quality Inn & Suites I will be able to hold 39 rooms with two queen size beds 10 rooms which are two queens smoking, and ten rooms with a king bed and a sofa bed. This would be a total of 59 rooms. The rate at the Quality Inn & Suites will be $63 plus tax. The phone number is (570) 824-8901.

At the Marriott Fairfield Inn & Suites I have 28 rooms with two double beds for the rate of $89.00 I also have blocked 28 King suites which have the king bed and sofa bed and the rate would be $99.  The last day to get this rate is 9/14/2009 after that it will be on a space available basis.  When reserving rooms, the block of rooms is under the name "King's College Debate Tournament".  Should you have any questions or need to make alternative arrangements, please contact me or Lori Blakeslee (Sales Department) at the Quality Inn.

   As per our tradition, we will be operating under the rules of the American Debate Association and the Cross Examination Debate Association.  Should you need a copy of the rules, they are available on this website, www.kings.edu/debate.   All divisions will use the same topic.

   On behalf of the College, and myself we hope to see you at our tournament.

Sincerely,

Michael R. Berry
Director of Debate

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REGISTRATION

   The entry deadline will be September 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm.  You may email your entry but I would prefer that you use the online entry system located at http://commweb.fullerton.edu/jbruschke/web/index.aspx.  Any drops after that time will be assessed a $30 per person fee to cover the cost of food.  There will be a morning registration from 10:00am to 12:00 at the Quality Inn.  Afternoon registration will take place in the lobby of McGowan Hall (the business school building) between the hours of 12:30 and 1:30 p.m. Please do not park in the parking lot next to McGowan School of Business.  You may unload evidence if security is in a good mood.

CASELIST

Each participating team is required to present at registration an electronic outline of the 1AC's that will be read either in round 1or 2.  Please include full cites for the arguments you make.  We will post to edebate a case list of all the 1AC's after the conclusion of rounds on Friday.  Yes, I know that some of you will be finishing the 1AC's on the way to the tournament and yes I know that it is a pain to provide one but realistically, this is of great benefit to the community at large.  Please help us make this a success.  This is a condition for entry into the tournament.

JUDGES

   Each school is responsible for providing a qualified judge for your obligations.  One judge will cover up to 2 teams, 2 judges 4 teams, etc.  There is a possibility of hiring a judge for $30 per uncovered round.  Judging obligations extend through the quarter-final round or one round beyond your team's elimination whichever occurs later.  Please indicate any teams or divisions your judges should not judge on the registration form.  Judges are difficult to find in Northeast Pennsylvania.  I will attempt to do my best to hire but if I cannot cover your obligation, I will have to restrict the number of teams you enter.  If you need to hire you must let me know by September 10, 2009.

DIVISIONS

Separate elimination rounds will be held for teams in Open, Junior Varsity and Novice. See ADA and CEDA rules for definitions. There may be new definitions of divisions depending upon the outcome of summer voting by the membership.

AWARDS

Awards will be given to the top 10 speakers in each division and from the quarterfinals on.  We plan on having trophies that will honor the memory of Frank.

FEES

Entry fees are $30 per person.  A person is defined as anyone associated with a program. Fees are due at registration.  No purchase orders will be accepted.  We try to encourage small programs to attend.  Therefore, if the entry fee presents a problem, please contact me.  We will work something out.  Our intent is to maximize the opportunity for all in the community.

HOUSING

   The Quality Inn is located 880 Kidder Street in Wilkes-Barre.  To get to the hotel, you take Interstate 81 (north or south) to exit 170B.  From that exit take 309 North to exit 1. From the exit, you make a right onto Kidder Street and go through 2 traffic lights.  The hotel is on your right.   Please confirm your reservation directly with the Quality Inn.  Overbook early if you are uncertain about the number of rooms you need.

CASINO

Wilkes Barre is no Las Vegas but is home to the Mohegan Sun Casino located just over a mile from the tournament hotel.  They recently have completed construction on their main casino with several nice restaurants (Ruth Chris and Rustic Kitchen).  It is a very nice place and well worth a trip if you are old enough.

INFORMATION

   For further information, contact me at:  Michael Berry, Director of Debate, Department of Theater and Speech, King's College, Wilkes-Barre, PA 18711-0801 (email - michaelberry at kings.edu) or call (570) 208-5900, Ext. 5681 or leave a message at (570) 208-5900, Ext. 5702.  In an emergency, you can contact my cell phone at 570-604-4318.

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Tournament Schedule

Friday, September 18, 2009

10:00a.m.-12:00 p.m.             Registration [Lobby of Quality Inn]

12:30a.m.-1:30 p.m.               Registration [Lobby of McGowan]

2:00 p.m.-4:30 p.m.                 Round I

4:30 p.m.-7:00 p.m.                 Round II Reception afterwards (lite snacks)

7:00 p.m.-9:30 p.m.                 Round III [Powered off of Rounds One and Two]



Saturday, September 19, 2009
Breakfast available at the Quality Inn

8:30 a.m.-9:00 a.m.                 Coffee [Lobby McGowan Hall]

9:00 a.m.-11:30 a.m.                Round IV
11:30 a.m.-12:20 p.m.             Lunch - Pizza and Drinks
2:15 p.m.-3:00 p.m.                  Round V
3:00 p.m. - 5:30 pm                 Round VI
6:00 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.                Double Octofinal Rounds (all judges must be available)
9:00 p.m.-12:00 a.m.                Elimination Teams Announced at Quality Inn and on                                                           Edebate

Sunday, September 20, 2009

Breakfast available at the Quality Inn

7:00 a.m.-8:00 a.m.                 Coffee [Lobby McGowan Hall]

8:00 a.m. - 10:30 am               Octofinal Rounds begin.  All judges are obligated                                                                for this round.

10:30                                       Tribute to Frank Harrison and awards ceremony.




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From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 11:07:30 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:07:30 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] 8/5 vs 9/6 and 3
Message-ID: <524839830908200907u32efd49fy8cdc16e8cd6e1b0f@mail.gmail.com>

College constructive and rebuttal speeches are one minute longer.

The c-x is the same.
Prep time is often the same (10)

Do college debaters, being older and often more experienced (there is novice
debate in college and some HS debaters are
quite good in their freshman year of college debate), have another minute of
brilliance?  I don't think college days are longer.

I'm not arguing for one or the other, but if one produces a better debate,
maybe everyone should use it.
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From lukephill at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 14:09:01 2009
From: lukephill at gmail.com (Luke Hill)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:09:01 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Northwestern Seeks Judges for GSU and Kentucky
Message-ID: <fe93d45f0908201209x2fa90677p249600bfe7baeb46@mail.gmail.com>

We pay well and in cash.  Please let me know if you are interested in
selling part or all of your commitment at either tournament.
I can be reached at lukephill at gmail.com

Luke P. Hill
Program Coordinator
Northwestern Debate Society
847-467-0345 (o)
678-852-9280 (c)
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From Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu  Thu Aug 20 15:33:18 2009
From: Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu (Gary Larson)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:33:18 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] E-mail addresses
Message-ID: <4A8D6CBE.3F5C.0033.0@wheaton.edu>



 

Both Jon Bruschke and I are working on systems that will improve communication between tabrooms and participants during tournaments.  It is now possible to send pairings and other tournament information to participants as soon as they are produced, thereby saving time and printing costs.
 
More critically, we will be able to communicate directly with judges and have them submit their ballots electronically.  Jon and I are testing two different ways to accomplish this.  In Jon's system, judges will log-in to a website where they will be able to enter their ballots and have them downloaded by the tab room.  At Kentucky I am testing an alternative using e-mails.  For all judges who wish to participate in the experiment, I will send their ballots to them via e-mail.  They will be able to fill them out on their computer, return them to me and have them automatically recorded (at which time an e-mail will be returned verifying what has been entered into the computer).
 
In order for the experiment to work, we will need judges who wish to participate to supply their e-mails to me.  The easiest way to do this will be to enter them directly on Bruschke's site which will now have a field for teams and judges to enter e-mail addresses that will remain secure and not distributed.  If you don't want to enter your e-mail address in debateresults but are still interested in participating in the online ballot experiment, you can send me your e-mail address directly.
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From bamadebate at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 15:56:32 2009
From: bamadebate at yahoo.com (ed lee)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:56:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] GSU - Emory wants judging
Message-ID: <540855.76152.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Will pay in cash.  Thanks in advance. 
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From bamadebate at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 15:57:46 2009
From: bamadebate at yahoo.com (ed lee)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky - Emory needs judging
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Will pay in cash. Thanks in advance.
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From bamadebate at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 15:58:25 2009
From: bamadebate at yahoo.com (ed lee)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:58:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Vandy - Emory needs judging
Message-ID: <4915.61852.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

will pay in cash. Thanks in advance. 
e


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From ermocito at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 16:00:55 2009
From: ermocito at gmail.com (Eric Morris)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:00:55 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] GSU - Emory wants judging
In-Reply-To: <540855.76152.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <540855.76152.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6bd35ee10908201400v128ce985t5c571abb1ad73e3@mail.gmail.com>

Same with Missouri State. Backchannel if interested.
Ermo

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:56 PM, ed lee <bamadebate at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Will pay in cash.  Thanks in advance.
> e
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From alfred.snider at uvm.edu  Fri Aug 21 06:03:57 2009
From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred C Snider)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:03:57 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] [Fwd: USU at Regis]
Message-ID: <4A8E7F1D.5080306@uvm.edu>

See this and other WUDC format invitations at
http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/usu/Invites/Invites.html

Tuna

-- 
Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics
University of Vermont
Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA
Lawrence Debate Union http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/LDU/
Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com
Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu
802-656-0097 office telephone
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From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 08:26:52 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:26:52 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Daisy Alliance Announces $1,
	000 Student Scholarship/Essay Contest "The Role of NATO in the 21st
	Century"
Message-ID: <524839830908210626j70eea667jbb62ea3e524a20b5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/08/prweb2774084.htm

*Bruce Roth, founder of Daisy Alliance and author of "No Time To Kill," will
award cash prizes to the students who submit the best original papers. The
essay topic for 2010 is "The Role of NATO in the 21st Century." The 1st
Place prize is $1,000, 2nd Place is $500, and 3rd Place $250. The
scholarship contest is open to undergraduate and graduate level students and
is being promoted at more than 200 universities around the world.*

Atlanta, GA (PRWEB <http://www.prweb.com/>) August 21, 2009 -- Bruce Roth,
founder of the Daisy Alliance <http://www.daisyalliance.org/> and author of "No
Time To Kill," <http://www.notimetokill.org/> will award cash prizes to the
students who submit the best original papers. The essay topic for 2010 is
"The Role of NATO
<http://www.daisyalliance.org/student-scholarship/daisy-alliance-student-scholarship-2010.html>in
the 21st Century." The 1st Place prize is $1,000, 2nd Place is $500, and 3rd
Place $250. The
scholarship<http://www.daisyalliance.org/student-scholarship/>contest
is open to undergraduate and graduate level students and is being
promoted at more than 200 universities around the world.
The United States' role in extending a nuclear security guarantee to allied
nations in Europe has diminished since the Cold War, and several new nuclear
security threats have emerged-North Korea has nuclear weapons, Iran may have
them soon, and there are terrorist organizations who aspire to using weapons
of mass destruction against the US and its allies. Russia and the U.S. are
no longer on the brink of nuclear war, but tensions still exist from
disagreements over missile defense, NATO expansion, and the Russian invasion
of Georgia.

Students should address all of the following questions:


   - How has the deterrent usefulness of the U.S. nuclear umbrella changed
   since the end of the Cold War?
   - What effect, if any, has this had or is it likely to have on
   nonproliferation and disarmament efforts? How important are these efforts
   for the security of all NATO partners?
   - Is NATO still needed to provide a nuclear security guarantee to its
   non-nuclear members?
   - Should NATO decrease, or end its reliance on nuclear weapons?

This essay should be at least 2,500 words and not more than 3,000 words
excluding footnotes and bibliography. Papers must be submitted in a Word
file no later than January 26, 2010 to Daisy Alliance using the email link
on the "Contact Us" page of the Daisy Alliance website. Students should be
sure to include their name, mailing address, phone number, school name, and
grade.

For more information about the 2010 scholarship, Daisy Alliance, Bruce Roth,
or the book, "No Time To Kill," visit the website.

Daisy Alliance is a nonpartisan grassroots peace organization seeking global
peace and security through nuclear nonproliferation, disarmament, and the
elimination of all Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) - whether nuclear,
chemical, or biological. It raises funds in order to educate the public
about the devastation that WMDs are capable of inflicting and the threat
they pose to civilization.
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From gordonm at pitt.edu  Fri Aug 21 11:18:20 2009
From: gordonm at pitt.edu (Mitchell, Gordon Roger)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:18:20 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Schnurer tenured
Message-ID: <C9563A8511C9BB488B41E541ACC749F995FCED22E7@PITT-EXCH-07.univ.pitt.edu>

Dear colleagues,

I am pleased to share news that Maxwell Schnurer (Vermont, Wake Forest, and Pittsburgh debate alum; former Director of Debate at Marist) has been promoted to the position of Associate Professor with tenure in the Department of Communication at Humboldt State University.

Max's research program focuses on social movements and critical pedagogy, and he has presented scholarly work at conferences in Turkey, France, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and the United Kingdom. He is co-author (with Alfred Snider) of Many Sides: Debate Across the Curriculum (IDEA Press, 2006).

Send kudos to maxwell.schnurer at gmail.com!

Best,

Gordon

* * *

Gordon R. Mitchell
Associate Professor of Communication
Director of Graduate Studies
Director, William Pitt Debating Union
University of Pittsburgh
CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Phone: (412) 624-8531
Fax: (412) 624-1878
http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/

From glueboy1 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 21 15:49:55 2009
From: glueboy1 at hotmail.com (john foy)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:49:55 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Weber needs judging for Kentucky
Message-ID: <BLU135-W288910F02A1E89E0F1307591FC0@phx.gbl>




Hiring: 3 rounds for Kentucky

Paying: $100 cash money at the tournament

Intrigued?  Please backchannel.

 

 

John Foy

Weber State



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From akelsie at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 08:54:35 2009
From: akelsie at gmail.com (Amber Kelsie)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:54:35 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Congratulations to Mike Girouard,
	New DoD for The New School
Message-ID: <59a0c94f0908220654r571da352n74b5b319437431c2@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to announce that Mike Girouard is the new Director of
Debate at The New School.  I have stepped down from my position in
order to attend grad school at the University of Pittsburgh.  I will
deeply miss all the crazy kids at the New School but I know they will
be in good hands with Mike.  Mike graduated from UNT and has since
spent his time coaching at Highland Park and most recently, at the
University of Rochester.  His dedication to his debaters as people and
as students, not to mention his nice guy "I'm just chillin" factor,
make me certain that he'll take The New School to greater levels of
achievement.
I'm very proud to say congratulations Mike.

From jbhdb8 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 11:18:36 2009
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:18:36 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Congratulations to Mike Girouard,
	New DoD for The New 	School
In-Reply-To: <59a0c94f0908220654r571da352n74b5b319437431c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59a0c94f0908220654r571da352n74b5b319437431c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6ec14bb0908220918k751e5142rbaf4a8d9f10f5aad@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Mike and the new school, go Mean Green,

Josh

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Amber Kelsie <akelsie at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to announce that Mike Girouard is the new Director of
> Debate at The New School.  I have stepped down from my position in
> order to attend grad school at the University of Pittsburgh.  I will
> deeply miss all the crazy kids at the New School but I know they will
> be in good hands with Mike.  Mike graduated from UNT and has since
> spent his time coaching at Highland Park and most recently, at the
> University of Rochester.  His dedication to his debaters as people and
> as students, not to mention his nice guy "I'm just chillin" factor,
> make me certain that he'll take The New School to greater levels of
> achievement.
> I'm very proud to say congratulations Mike.
> _______________________________________________
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From akbiotech at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 20:41:47 2009
From: akbiotech at comcast.net (Dr Arthur Kyriazis)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:41:47 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] eDebate Digest, Vol 47, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1250960404.6358.edebate@www.ndtceda.com>
References: <mailman.1.1250960404.6358.edebate@www.ndtceda.com>
Message-ID: <4A909E5B.2060001@comcast.net>

aug 23 2009

the following is actual news, and somewhat explosive, as it has rocked 
the philly debate community sideways. the story is wild so welcome to 
it! love, theft, lies, debating, everything you'd want for a great movie!!!!


    PENN, HARVARD DEBATERS ACCUSED OF EMBEZZLING IN COURT PAPERS FILED
    IN PHILADELPHIA

http://pedrofeliz3b.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/penn-harvard-debaters-accused-of-embezzling-in-court-papers-filed-in-philadelphia/
http://pedrofeliz3b.wordpress.com/

DAILY PENNSYLVANIAN ARTICLE BY

http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2009/04/02/News/Debate.Org.Sues.2008.Alum.Alexander.Mccobin.Over.Misappropriation.Of.Funds-3692731.shtml

FYI to those of you in the debate and academic community posted on 
several sites regarding alleged fraudulent activities of ALEXANDER 
MCCOBIN AND LILY DENG, LD DEBATERS FROM PENN AND HARVARD RESPECTIVELY:

NOTE THESE ARE ONLY ALLEGATIONS RAISED IN NEWSPAPER ARTICLES AND COURT 
PAPERS. EVERYONE IS PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF 
LAW. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT EITHER OF THESE PERSONS IS GUILTY OF 
ANYTHING. WE ARE JUST REPORTING THE NEWS THAT HAS BEEN REPORTED 
PREVIOUSLY IN THE DAILY PENNSYLVANIAN AND IN THE COURT DOCKETS OF THE 
COURTS OF PHILADELPHIA'S COURT OF COMMON PLEAS. YOU DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

nonetheless, would make a great movie....two kids in love....steal from 
the debate team! and their own foundation! and run away in love! 
(allegedly).....


      Arthur Kyriazis
      <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1114591873&ref=mf>

<http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=248183605103&h=sFO-V&u=XCOhv&ref=mf>
PENN, HARVARD DEBATERS ACCUSED OF EMBEZZLING IN COURT PAPERS FILED IN 
PHILADELPHIA | Cross Examinati 
<http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=248183605103&h=sFO-V&u=XCOhv&ref=mf>
Source: www.cedadebate.org
In court papers filed in the Court of Common Pleas of Philadelphia, LD 
Debaters Alex McCobin of Penn and Lily Deng of Harvard have been accused 
of embezzling more than $37,000.00 from the Penn Parlimentary ...
August 11 at 11:41pm 
<http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=1114591873&share_id=248183605103&comments=1&ref=mf#s248183605103> 
? Comment ? Like 
<http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=1145995573&share_id=129898511440&ref=nf#> 
/ Unlike 
<http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=1145995573&share_id=129898511440&ref=nf#> 
? Share 
<http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=1145995573&share_id=129898511440&ref=nf#>

digg.com:

http://digg.com/baseball/http_pedrofeliz3b_wordpress_com

technorati/wordpress:

http://technorati.com/tag/deng-mccobin-embezzlement

http://delicious.com/tag/deng-mccobin-embezzlement

http://en.wordpress.com/tag/deng-mccobin-embezzlement/

http://pedrofeliz3b.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/penn-harvard-debaters-accused-of-embezzling-in-court-papers-filed-in-philadelphia/

--art kyriazis, philly
alumnus harvard debate council
former co-director, philadelphia urban debate league, 1985-1997




From bk2nocal at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 01:01:27 2009
From: bk2nocal at gmail.com (Sue Peterson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:01:27 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] NCA Travel Grants for Students of Color
Message-ID: <417507f50908222301y2e04262ew8164978204950d9a@mail.gmail.com>

Saw this in the CRTNET and thought I would pass it on here.  If you are
presenting or serving on a committee that will be meeting at the NCA
Convention this is an opportunity to get some help with travel costs.  I
would imagine both undergrads and grads would be eligible...but graduate
students who are presenting are probably more likely to get the money.

Alberto Gonzalez, agonzal at bgsu.edu

The NCA is able to offer up to sixteen $300.00 travel grants for students of
color who need financial assistance to attend the annual convention.
Department chairs and faculty are encouraged to assist those students of
color who need financial assistance to apply.  Students should send a
current resume or curriculum vitae along with a description of NCA
activities at the 2009 convention and a letter from the department chair or
faculty advisor confirming the financial need of the student. Submissions
should be sent electronically to Dr. Al Gonz?lez at the following email
address: agonzal at bgsu.edu. Deadline for submissions is September 18, 2009.

Sue Peterson, Director of Speech and Debate at CSU Chico
sepeterson at csuchico.edu
530-898-4771

"Girl Effect, n. The powerful social and economic change brought about when
girls have the opportunity to participate in their society."
http://www.girleffect.org/#/home/

?In teaching you cannot see the fruit of a day?s work. It is invisible and
remains so, maybe for twenty years.?
? Jacques Barzun
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From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu  Sun Aug 23 23:16:29 2009
From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:16:29 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Vegas Round Robin--last call for applications
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From andy.edebate at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 23:29:29 2009
From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:29:29 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Need to demo paperless debate?(or some other program?)
Message-ID: <9368bc9b0908232129p1a66aa96v377ca43c18ab76e0@mail.gmail.com>

Use Screenr.net it is browser based screen shot software that is super easy
to use, you can make 5 minute videos, tweet them, upload them to
youtube,embed them,  or download them. Here is a preview
http://screenr.com/Rks
BTW as a bonus, it also creates iphone versions
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From alfred.snider at uvm.edu  Mon Aug 24 06:47:32 2009
From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred C Snider)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:47:32 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Vermont Debate Coaches for 2009-10
Message-ID: <4A927DD4.2030608@uvm.edu>

The Lawrence Debate Union at the University of Vermont is proud to 
announce their coaching staff for 2009-10.

Stephen Boyle will join us from University College Dublin and specialize 
in coaching our worlds team. Stephen will also teach two classes each 
semester. Stephen was Irish Times champion, octafinalist and 
quarterfinalist at worlds, and won the Yale and Hart House tournaments. 
He will need a heavy coat.

David Register will return as a coach and will focus mainly on policy 
debate.  He teaches full time. Last summer he was in Europe and taught 
at the World Schools Debate Academy as well as working in German 
schools. He just recently completed the East Debate Institute policy 
session. He has several heavy coats.

Alfred Snider will return for his 27th year as the director. Now with 
Stephen on board he will spend more time on policy debate (while 
continuing with worlds) as well as continuing his international outreach 
work and his string of plots.  He has promised to pull most of the 
administrative burden as well. He doesn't really need a coat because of 
built-in insulation.

Ruth Zisman will also be returning as a coach. Ruth is a doctoral 
student in philosophy at New York University and while her duties at NYU 
will be substantial she will be coming to some tournaments as well as 
adding her strong stock of ideas to the UVM strategy kit.  This summer 
Ruth studied in Berlin and also taught at the World Schools Debate 
Academy, as well as working at the East Debate Institute policy session 
and joining us this week at EDI worlds. Her ideas keep everybody warm.

We are pleased to announce that others will be joining us as coaches and 
judges, including but not limited to:

Carina Berg, who will assist with and judge policy debate.

Sam Ricker, who will assist with and judge worlds debate.

And many more alumni, supporters and friends from around the world. 
After all, it takes a global village to make the Lawrence Debate Union.

We also want to congratulate our alumna Megan Harlow the new Bard policy 
coach as well as alumni Chris Latucca who will be coaching for the 
University of Rochester.

Let the debates begin.

Tuna

-- 
Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics
University of Vermont
Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA
Lawrence Debate Union http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/LDU/
Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com
Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu
802-656-0097 office telephone
802-656-4275 office fax


From dave at miami.edu  Mon Aug 24 08:37:00 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:37:00 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Love and Debate
Message-ID: <F6E4AA7F0B72244192354122A9FBD808148A6DB62B@MBX03.cgcent.miami.edu>

Hello all,



A former high school debater from North Miami Beach HS has made her first movie, a movie about a female high school policy debater dealing with competitive debate success, her parents, and a love interest.



The director, Jessica Kavana, was a really good policy debater for NMB's former DOF, Merle Ulery, sometime back in the early 90s.  The trailer looks pretty cool.



Please spread the word to help support this endeavor.



Hope all is well.



Best,



Ernie Querido


http://www.loveanddebate.com/


David L. Steinberg
Director of Debate, University of Miami
P.O. Box 248127
Coral Gables, Florida   33124

305-284-5553 (office)
305-284-5216 (fax)
305-926-8498 (cell)
dave at miami.edu<mailto:dave at miami.edu>

Go Canes!


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From tl2360 at columbia.edu  Mon Aug 24 11:48:52 2009
From: tl2360 at columbia.edu (Tina Law)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:48:52 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] NYC Coaching Position Available
Message-ID: <951ec1b50908240948u2368600aof620bfdaa81f84d9@mail.gmail.com>

The Collegiate Center of New York is seeking a coach for their policy debte
team. The coach would help competitive students prepare for tournaments and
also teach beginning communications courses for non-competitive students.
The center is located in Flushing, Queens and ideal for college or post-grad
students in the New York City area as it is fairly flexible and provide an
opportunity to work with a group of very talented and hard-working students.

Please PM for more information.

Tina Law
Former Coach, Collegiate Center of NY
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From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu  Mon Aug 24 12:33:37 2009
From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:33:37 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] UNLV RR
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From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:37:06 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] CORRECTION-UNLV RR
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From mschnall at gmx.net  Mon Aug 24 12:56:16 2009
From: mschnall at gmx.net (Matt Schnall)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Boston Debate League -- Programming and Development
	Coordinator Position
Message-ID: <4A929C00.17219.106BDB7@mschnall.gmx.net>

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From stables at usc.edu  Mon Aug 24 14:17:06 2009
From: stables at usc.edu (Gordon Stables)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:17:06 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Forwarded note from Chis Jones re: CSIS blog
Message-ID: <39c1ac890908241217i7755c5c2i55fdc1c565183ecd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,
I've received a number of e-mails asking about authorship on the CSIS blog.
At its inception in January, there was a decision not to explicilty post
author identities for a number of reasons but the blog is undergoing some
transitions and it appears that may be changing.  In the interests of
academic integrity and full disclosure (in part based on concerns based on
what happened at the TOC), I do the majority, but not all, of the blogging
on the site (you can also figure out authorship if you download blog posts
in an RSS feeder).  I leave it to you all to sort out whether I'm qualified
but want to note I do my blogging from the view of a DC analyst based
on what I read and meetings I attend not as a debate coach.  That said,
there will inevitably be some apparent overlap as evidenced by the
discussion about the role of talking with allies in extended deterrence and
how the buzzword "consult" applies to the "consult cp" as it works in
debate.  My views on the significant difference between the two is beyond
the purview of this post (which I hope shouldn't be read as "evidence")
but the former is a topic that will be discussed in nuclear policy circles
this year.  I hope that helps shed some light on things and feel free to let
me know if you have any questions or concerns at cjones at csis.org

Best,
Chris
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From sarahtp73 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 24 14:25:25 2009
From: sarahtp73 at yahoo.com (Sarah Partlow)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Need judging for Gonzaga - Idaho State
Message-ID: <158574.94322.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


We need to obtain 5 rounds of judging for Gonzaga.  We pay cash $30 a round.  Please contact me if you are interested.

Thanks - 

Sarah PartlowLefevre



      
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From sarahtp73 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 24 14:37:10 2009
From: sarahtp73 at yahoo.com (Sarah Partlow)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:37:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Need judging for Gonzaga - Idaho State
Message-ID: <223615.16591.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We actually need 6.  Thanks.




________________________________
From: Sarah Partlow <sarahtp73 at yahoo.com>
To: edebate <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:25:25 PM
Subject: Need judging for Gonzaga - Idaho State



We need to obtain 5 rounds of judging for Gonzaga.  We pay cash $30 a round.  Please contact me if you are interested.

Thanks - 

Sarah PartlowLefevre 


      
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Subject: [eDebate] eDebate Digest, Vol 47, Issue 18 (Action Required)
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From dave at miami.edu  Tue Aug 25 07:48:48 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:48:48 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] FW: Love and Debate
Message-ID: <F6E4AA7F0B72244192354122A9FBD808148A6DB632@MBX03.cgcent.miami.edu>

From: Terry Shuman [mailto:tshuman7 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:40 PM
To: Steinberg, David L
Subject: Re: Love and Debate

Dave--

This movie actually came out several years ago.  I no longer has posting privileges to eDebate, but you can pass this along if you want to:  Interested parties can order the DVD here<http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Thanks-to-Gravity/Jessica-Kavana-Dornbusch/e/829567062227>.

Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and...well, not so tall as I used to be,

Terrance Shuman
Atlantic High School
Atlantic, Iowa
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From lukephill at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 10:14:18 2009
From: lukephill at gmail.com (Luke Hill)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:14:18 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Judging for Gonazaga- Northwestern
Message-ID: <fe93d45f0908250814r37559af2hb4948ff2dff458a5@mail.gmail.com>

NU is looking for judges for Gonzaga.  We pay well and in cash.  Please back
channel if interested.  lukephill at gmail.com
Also, still have rounds to hire for Kentucky if you are looking down the
road.

LH

Luke P. Hill
Program Coordinator
Northwestern Debate Society
847-467-0345 (o)
678-852-9280 (c)
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From oldstrega at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 25 10:48:06 2009
From: oldstrega at hotmail.com (Old Strega)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:48:06 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] polls don't lie: obama = worse than bush+carter
Message-ID: <BAY114-W48333A8555DB565BD4E061BEF80@phx.gbl>


told you so.    rookie with a zillion czars who doesn't know what to do because his M.O. is to try and please.    wait til that war in afghanistan proves to be stupider than iraq w no impact on al-qaeda.     in poker, some call Ace-King "Anna Kournikova" because it looks good but never wins.    hollywood went for obama and even the stupid remnants of the Grateful Dead held a benefit concert on his behalf.    the whole thing was so shallow and never had any substance.    good thing soetero's autobiography was already finished when he was 14 years old because it's all downhill from here.    worse than bush and carter.   breakin the all-time disapproval records.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/24/obama-poll-numbers-take-no-rest-from-falling/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_headlinesThe Rasmussen Reports daily tracking poll released Sunday showed that 41 percent of voters strongly disapprove of Mr. Obama's performance as president, compared with 27 percent who strongly approved. Rasmussen said those numbers are the worst ever for Mr. Obama. The 14-point gap between the two numbers is more than double the six-point difference in the Rasmussen poll as recently as Thursday.The total of "disapproval" responses, of whatever strength, topped the approval numbers by 51 percent to 48 percent.Using unusually strong language to describe the developments, borne out in a host of polls over the past week, political analyst Charlie Cook said in an e-mail to his subscribers that "the situation this summer has slipped completely out of control for President Obama and congressional Democrats.""We believe it would be a mistake to underestimate the impact that this mood will have on members of Congress of both parties when they return to Washington in September, if it persists through the end of the congressional recess," Mr. Cook wrote.Joseph Pounder, a Republican campaign consultant who recently left the staff of the House Republican leadership to work for a gubernatorial candidate in Texas, said the turn of events has been both surprising and rejuvenating for Mr. Obama's political opponents."It's been a real bad summer for a White House that was supposed to rock everyone's world," Mr. Pounder said.
_________________________________________________________________
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
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From oldstrega at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 25 10:54:54 2009
From: oldstrega at hotmail.com (Old Strega)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:54:54 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] message to the prez: FIRE AXELROD!!!
Message-ID: <BAY114-W35803E865B4427389357B0BEF80@phx.gbl>


if you don't want to end up an even bigger disgrace.the guy is a salesman and that's it.    rove will crush him in 2010 and 2012.  axelrod has recuperated poorly performing products in the market but this is way mo cutthroat.    2008 was a gimme and freebie.too bad carville's not interested and is laughing behind your back.better get rahmbo on plan B cuz the vultures are honing in.
_________________________________________________________________
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From scottvarda at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 12:34:33 2009
From: scottvarda at gmail.com (scott varda)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:34:33 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] 22 days of bliss is over...please strega...start a new
	streak!
Message-ID: <f0b18e160908251034o4b00c574kb8e99e33b7648f0c@mail.gmail.com>

not sure if Old Strega was on vacation, or on his meds, but the last 22 days
have been wonderful (no strega posts)
please strega, start a new streak! think DiMaggio, 56 days without a post is
possible
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From jrlyle at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 12:48:48 2009
From: jrlyle at gmail.com (James Lyle)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:48:48 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Clarion Hotel Update - Block Extension
Message-ID: <25fd497f0908251048j50137678g382c2089bf373295@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to let people people know that although the block is scheduled to
end today that we have gotten the block extended at the Comfort Inn.  If you
are coming to Clarion I'd encourage you to get your rooms sooner than later
as there's a limited number of rooms at the Comfort.  Additionally, as I
mentioned in the invite there are several other hotels in town that probably
have a Clarion rate that you can get.  If you want/need a different hotel,
let me know and I can help with rates.

Jim Lyle
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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Tue Aug 25 13:57:55 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:57:55 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Vanderbilt
Message-ID: <11CF5D8FF6444C8487C999814FC734AD@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Vanderbilt Invitational
Starts:10/16/2009
Ends:10/18/2009
Hosted by: Vanderbilt
Contact: M. L. Sandoz
Address: 7245 Hwy 70 South #104, Nashville, TN 37221
Phone: 615-500-6184
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True
Divisions Offered: 
Varsity with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
JV with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From davismk13 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 14:46:08 2009
From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:46:08 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Call for Summer Meeting Bids
Message-ID: <9a7f6f740908251246u2faffd27na94328cf04b36d31@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

The CEDA executive council is soliciting bids for the 2010 Summer Meeting.
If you are interested in hosting please forward the following information to
davismk13 at gmail.com:

1) Possible dates

2) Classroom/ meeting room access - Usually we just use one room. Is there a
cost? Is there a cost for internet access?

3) Hotel rates (for small block of 10-15 rooms)

4) Is webcasting an option? If so, what costs exist?

5) Is the host school willing/able to underwrite the costs at all? Provide
breakfast, etc?

6) Transportation support? (Airport pickups, ground shuttles, etc.)



Bids are due by the end of September. We will select a host by the
conclusion of NCA. Please let me know if you have any questions.


-- 
Dr. Michael Davis
Director of Debate/Assistant Professor
James Madison University
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From stables at usc.edu  Tue Aug 25 18:58:39 2009
From: stables at usc.edu (Gordon Stables)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:58:39 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Looking for support with debate and e-communication
	projects
Message-ID: <39c1ac890908251658kb3df0edy764dd1ecd46ebc9e@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings.
CEDA is working on two projects related to how the debate community
communicates. They both relate to our ongoing effort to help improve the
means that we use to communicate with each other.

First, we are developing a survey to study the various ways in which the
community uses communication platforms (email, listservs, text messages,
twitter, web forums, etc.). If you have experience in this area or have
questions to suggest for the survey, please let us know.

Second, we are continuing to improve our web platform. We are also looking
for individuals who would be willing to serve as volunteers to test the beta
design of the new site.

If you have interest in helping with either of these projects, please let me
know. More information forthcoming about nationals and several
other initiatives.

Thanks
Gordon Stables


Gordon Stables, Ph.D.
Director of Debate & Forensics
Annenberg School for Communication
University of Southern California
Office: 213 740 2759
Fax: 213 740 3913
www.usctrojandebate.com
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From asymonds at asu.edu  Tue Aug 25 23:39:14 2009
From: asymonds at asu.edu (Adam Symonds)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:39:14 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] ASU also looking for Gonzaga Judging
Message-ID: <cc5a77460908252139v3a62da5l7a5d6718f656bc97@mail.gmail.com>

Also offering $30 a round. Email me if interested.
Adam

Adam Symonds
Director of Forensics
Arizona State University
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From dave at miami.edu  Wed Aug 26 11:49:27 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:49:27 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] unofficial calendar update
Message-ID: <F6E4AA7F0B72244192354122A9FBD808148A6DB648@MBX03.cgcent.miami.edu>

Please check the calendar and send me your corrections, additions, etc....   thanks, ds

5-Sep











12-Sep

Gonzaga (Sat-Mon)



Glen Frapier

gfrappier at gmail.com<mailto:gfrappier at gmail.com>



19-Sep

GSU (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Joe Bellon

joe.bellon at gmail.com<mailto:joe.bellon at gmail.com>





Golden Gate Season Opener, SFSU (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Alexis Litzky

alitzky at sfsu.edu<mailto:alitzky at sfsu.edu>

www.sfstateforensics.com/ <http://www.sfstateforensics.com/>



Northern Iowa (sat-mon)

O,JV,N

Katherine Lavelle

katherine.lavelle at uni.edu<mailto:katherine.lavelle at uni.edu>





King's College Frank Harrison Memorial (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Mike Berry

MikeBerry at Kings.edu<mailto:MikeBerry at Kings.edu>



26-Sep

Clarion (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Jim Lyle

jlyle at clarion.edu<mailto:jlyle at clarion.edu>





Bear Shock at MoState (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Eric Morris

ermocito at gmail.com <mailto:ermocito at gmail.com>





Huber Debates, UVermont (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N

Tuna Snider

alfred.snider at uvm.edu<mailto:alfred.snider at uvm.edu>

http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/huber/Welcome.html



Wayne Callaway Debates at Laramie (Sat-Sun)

O,J,N

Matt Stannard

stannard at uwyo.edu <mailto:stannard at uwyo.edu>



30-Sep

UNLV Las Vegas Classic Round Robin (W-TH)



Jake Thompson

jacob.thompson at unlv.edu<mailto:jacob.thompson at unlv.edu>

http://www.unlv.edu/orgs/debate/

3-Oct

Kentucky (Sat-Mon)

open

Roger Solt

resolt2 at email.uky.edu<mailto:resolt2 at email.uky.edu>





UNLV Las Vegas Classic Tournament (Sat-Mon)



Jake Thompson

jacob.thompson at unlv.edu<mailto:jacob.thompson at unlv.edu>

http://www.unlv.edu/orgs/debate/

10-Oct

Richmond (sat-mon)

O,JV,N

Kevin Kuswa

kkuswa at richmond.edu<mailto:kkuswa at richmond.edu>





Kansas City Kansas Community College (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Darren Elliott

delliott at kckcc.edu<mailto:delliott at kckcc.edu>





Santa Rosa Junior College

O,JV,N

Mark Nelson

mnelson at santarosa.edu<mailto:mnelson at santarosa.edu>



17-Oct

Vanderbilt  (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

M.L. Sandoz

ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu<mailto:ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu>





Idaho State (Sat-Mon)











Army @ West Point (Fri-Sat)

O,JV,N

Andrew Brosnan

Andrew.brosnan at usma.edu<mailto:Andrew.brosnan at usma.edu>





Emporia George RR Pflaum

O,JV

Sam Maurer

smaurer at emporia.edu<mailto:smaurer at emporia.edu>



24-Oct

Diablo Valley College



Becky Opsata

BOpsata at dvc.edu<mailto:BOpsata at dvc.edu>





Wayne State (Sat-Mon)



Kelly Young

kel1773 at msn.com <mailto:kel1773 at msn.com>



31-Oct

Harvard (Sat-Mon)

O

Dallas Perkins

dperkins at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:dperkins at fas.harvard.edu>



7-Nov

Joe C. Jackson @ UCO (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Eric Marlow

emarlow at uco.edu<mailto:emarlow at uco.edu>





Liberty

O,JV,N

Mike Hall

mphall at liberty.edu<mailto:mphall at liberty.edu>

www.liberty.edu/debate <http://www.liberty.edu/debate>



Bayside @ South Florida St. Pete (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

David Trigaux

jddtfl at yahoo.com<mailto:jddtfl at yahoo.com>



14-Nov

WNPT @ Whitman (Sat-Mon)

open

Jim Hanson

hansonjb at whitman.edu<mailto:hansonjb at whitman.edu>

http://www.whitman.edu/rhetoric/collegetourn/54wnpt2009.htm



Western Connecticut (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N

Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox

wilcoxw at wcsu.edu <mailto:wilcoxw at wcsu.edu>



21-Nov

Wake Forest (Sat-Mon)

open

JP Lacy

lacyjp at wfu.edu<mailto:lacyjp at wfu.edu>



21-Nov

Appalachian State (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Kris Willis

williskw at appstate.edu<mailto:williskw at appstate.edu>



28-Nov











5-Dec

Austin J. Freeley @ John Carroll (Fri-Sun)



Brent Brossman

brossmann at jcu.edu<mailto:brossmann at jcu.edu>



12-Dec











19-Dec











26-Dec











2-Jan

First Leg of California Swing, Cal-Berkeley (1/2-1/5)



Greg Achten

gregachten at berkeley.edu<mailto:gregachten at berkeley.edu>





Second Leg of California Swing, Cal-Berkeley (1/7-1/9)



Greg Achten

gregachten at berkeley.edu<mailto:gregachten at berkeley.edu>





James Madison (Mon-Wed)

O,JV,N

Mike Davis

davismk13 at gmail.com<mailto:davismk13 at gmail.com>



9-Jan

UT-Dallas (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Chris Burk

crb012000 at utdallas.edu<mailto:crb012000 at utdallas.edu>

www.utdallas.edu/orgs/debate/<http://www.utdallas.edu/orgs/debate/>



Mary Washington (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Tim O'Donnell

todonnel at umw.edu<mailto:todonnel at umw.edu>





Illinois State (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Donny Peters

don1299 at hotmail.com<mailto:don1299 at hotmail.com>



16-Jan

WGA (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Mike Hester

UWGDebate at gmail.com<mailto:UWGDebate at gmail.com>





George Mason Patriot Debates (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Warren Decker

wdecker at gmu.edu<mailto:wdecker at gmu.edu>





James Madison - Madison Cup (March 17th)



Mike Davis

davismk13 at gmail.com<mailto:davismk13 at gmail.com>





Arizona State (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Adam Symonds

asymonds at asu.edu<mailto:asymonds at asu.edu>



23-Jan

Navy (Fri-Sat)

O,JV,N

Danielle Verney-O'Gorman

verney at usna.edu <mailto:verney at usna.edu>





Fullerton (1/22-1/25)

O,JV,N

Jon Bruschke

jbruschke at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU<mailto:jbruschke at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU>





Baby Jo Memorial Tournament at UMKC (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Matt Vega

vegam at umkc.edu <mailto:vegam at umkc.edu>



30-Jan

Hurricane Debates, Universtiy of Miami (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

David Steinberg

dave at miami.edu<mailto:dave at miami.edu>

http://debate.miami.edu/college/



Augustana College Viking Debates (Fri-Sun) TENTATIVE

O,JV,N

Max Archer

max.o.archer at gmail.com<mailto:max.o.archer at gmail.com>





Denver (likely?: Sat-Sun)











NE Round Robin in NYC (Sat-Sun)









6-Feb

University of Texas TENTATIVE (Sat-Mon)

O

Joel Rollins

JDRollins at mail.utexas.edu<mailto:JDRollins at mail.utexas.edu>



13-Feb

Umass (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N









UPS (maybe?)











Mardi Gras @ University of Louisianna (Fri-Mon)

O,JV,N

Scott Elliott

sme2607 at louisiana.edu<mailto:sme2607 at louisiana.edu>



27-Feb

D6/SEC Regionals

O,JV,N

Mike Hester

UWGDebate at gmail.com<mailto:UWGDebate at gmail.com>





NDT District 2 at Weber (Sat-Sun)











NE Regionals and D8 @ Binghamton (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N







6-Mar

ADA Nationals @ Vanderbilt (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Brent Brossman

brossmann at mirapoint.jcu.edu<mailto:brossmann at mirapoint.jcu.edu>





Freshman/Sophomore Nationas @ Michigan State (Sat-Mon)



Greta Stahl

greta.stahl at gmail.com<mailto:greta.stahl at gmail.com>



13-Mar

NJDDT (sat-mon)

JV,N

Terri Easley

teasley3 at jccc.edu<mailto:teasley3 at jccc.edu>



20-Mar

NDT: The National Debate Tournament at Cal-Berkeley (3/20-3/23)



Greg Achten (Host)

gregachten at berkeley.edu<mailto:gregachten at berkeley.edu>



27-Mar

CEDA: Cross Examination Debate Association Nationals (3/24-3/28)



Greg Achten (Host) Gordon Stables (director)

gregachten at berkeley.edu; stables at usc.edu





David L. Steinberg
Director of Debate, University of Miami
P.O. Box 248127
Coral Gables, Florida   33124

305-284-5553 (office)
305-284-5216 (fax)
305-926-8498 (cell)
dave at miami.edu<mailto:dave at miami.edu>

Go Canes!


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From oguevara at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 26 15:45:01 2009
From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:45:01 -0600
Subject: [eDebate] Novice policy debate out West (nov/dec) ??
Message-ID: <SNT121-W3305E1223DE3FD4CFDED9CD3F70@phx.gbl>


Hello Community --

 

If anyone if hosting a policy debate tournament with a NOVICE or ROOKIE division in the Western United States, could you please either back channel me or make a public announcement...

 

I have a record number of students in my "argument & debate" class and they need a field trip.

 

Thank You,

 

OG







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Department of Communication
College of Arts & Humanities
Weber State University
Ogden, Utah
 

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From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Wed Aug 26 22:38:37 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:38:37 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
Message-ID: <4A95FFBD.2040500@wfu.edu>



I'm in the process of revamping opencaselist.wikispaces.com. The entire 
wiki will soon be a blank slate. When I'm done, we will be able to 
organize things efficiently & be able to search this upcoming year alone 
without hassle.

All older information is now archived at archivedcaselist.wikispaces.com

I'm in the process of deleting old info from opencaselist. This profess 
is time consuming because the infrastructure we use at wikispaces.com 
only lets you delete one page at a time.

Please, please, please! Do not create individual team pages per tournament!

Instead use the basics below. They make the entire wiki far more usable.

*1. Add all you want. Delete nothing. Corrections should be noted in 
subsequent additions.
2. Page organization:*

    * Each school gets a page.
    * Each team gets an aff page and a neg page.
    * Teams are arranged alphabetically with their newest information first.
    * Use "*[*[toc]*]*" (without the asterisks or quotation marks) at
      the top of each page to make the page automatically generate a
      table of contents based on heading levels.
    * Use heading 2 to list the specific team name (preferably not just
      initials).
    * Use heading 3 to specify the round/tournament
    * Use normal for other text.

*3. Include all contextual information:*

    * Team
    * Side
    * Opponent
    * Tournament & Round
    * Judge

Thanks!

-- JP Lacy
lacyjp at wfu.edu



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From bdelo77 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 23:12:06 2009
From: bdelo77 at gmail.com (Brian DeLong)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:12:06 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
In-Reply-To: <4A95FFBD.2040500@wfu.edu>
References: <4A95FFBD.2040500@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <0B9997BB-F2F8-487F-BCE6-913326C98866@gmail.com>

I'm sending a warm shout-out to Lacy for (re)-setting up this  
wonderful service.  Thanks friend.

As a side note, to you people out there who know who you are, I am  
dumfounded by some tournaments and debater's failure/lack of use of  
this case-list,  "Back-channeling" cite requests is such a waste of  
time these days.  If you post your citations on the wiki after each  
tournament you won't be hassled by other teams to email your  
information.  Full citations and even a taste of the text of the card  
would also be helpful.

But then again, "you can't always get what you want."




On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:38 PM, JP Lacy wrote:

> archivedcaselist.wikispaces.com


From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Wed Aug 26 23:39:02 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:39:02 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
In-Reply-To: <0B9997BB-F2F8-487F-BCE6-913326C98866@gmail.com>
References: <4A95FFBD.2040500@wfu.edu>
	<0B9997BB-F2F8-487F-BCE6-913326C98866@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A960DE6.8090501@wfu.edu>

I appreciate DeLo's words.

But, the caselist isn't a service. Its a wiki. We all own it. Right now, 
Andrea Reed & I are deleting old stuff so the wiki will be fresh for the 
upcoming season. If you can help with that, let me know & I'll give you 
the appropriate permissions.

Since the wiki was established, I've thought that trading cites was 
silly. Withholding cites from the public while sharing them with friends 
seems elitist & counterproductive to the goal of "better debate." I 
don't think cites should be seen as commodities to be traded.

So, if someone asks you for cites, stick them on the wiki. Ask them to 
do the same for cites of theirs you want.

-- JP

Brian DeLong wrote:
>
> I'm sending a warm shout-out to Lacy for (re)-setting up this 
> wonderful service.  Thanks friend.
>
> As a side note, to you people out there who know who you are, I am 
> dumfounded by some tournaments and debater's failure/lack of use of 
> this case-list,  "Back-channeling" cite requests is such a waste of 
> time these days.  If you post your citations on the wiki after each 
> tournament you won't be hassled by other teams to email your 
> information.  Full citations and even a taste of the text of the card 
> would also be helpful.
>
> But then again, "you can't always get what you want."
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:38 PM, JP Lacy wrote:
>
>> archivedcaselist.wikispaces.com
>
>
>


From hansonjb at whitman.edu  Wed Aug 26 23:40:16 2009
From: hansonjb at whitman.edu (Jim Hanson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:40:16 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] wish to hire judging for gonzaga
Message-ID: <A88334B6D75D4AF3A80E7985BEDAAFEA@whitman.edu>

right now, we need 12 rounds of judging.

$300 for a full time judge (plus free food) or $30 per round or some combo thereof.

jim :)
hansonjb at whitman.edu
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From sethellsworth at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:48:02 2009
From: sethellsworth at gmail.com (Seth T. Ellsworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:48:02 +0800
Subject: [eDebate] (no subject)
Message-ID: <412d08cb0908270748h10074359x313a11abcee2414a@mail.gmail.com>

I actually love cite requests posted on edebate.
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From jtedebate at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 10:56:31 2009
From: jtedebate at yahoo.com (J T)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
In-Reply-To: <4A960DE6.8090501@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <18159.46219.qm@web110609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Even if it is not a "service"--thanks for your input and help JP!? 

Echoing DeLo, the wiki has been enormously beneficial for most everyone I would assume.? 

That being said, I would love to see people upload more CORRECT citations.? There are a few schools who's pages regularly contained incorrect/incomplete citations---and it took two months to retrieve the actual cite (which wasn't even close to the one posted) via email.? Something that would help here is more attention to keywords/text samples.? Most people enter the first few word of the card and the last few (which is important for context).? However, this could easily tell you nothing...unique phrases and words make things much easier...including one of these inside the 1st and last words should make everything pretty easy? to find.

Everyone gets busy and sometimes we all probably take down cites sloppily at times.? However, I would very much like to see more information (article title, date accessed, host/organization web site?)

Finally--put full cites on your cards!? With templates and the wonders of point and click, full cites take no time at all...the wiki can't be better until more people start using more complete citations. 

Good Luck to everyone at the season openers!


W. James Taylor ("JT")



Clinical Instructor

Asst. Debate Coach

Emporia State University



***Nothing in this email should be taken to represent Emporia State Debate or Emporia State University.  The contents are the sole opinion of the author.

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, JP Lacy <lacyjp at wfu.edu> wrote:

From: JP Lacy <lacyjp at wfu.edu>
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Opencaselist
To: "Brian DeLong" <bdelo77 at gmail.com>
Cc: "Edebate" <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:39 PM

I appreciate DeLo's words.

But, the caselist isn't a service. Its a wiki. We all own it. Right now, 
Andrea Reed & I are deleting old stuff so the wiki will be fresh for the 
upcoming season. If you can help with that, let me know & I'll give you 
the appropriate permissions.

Since the wiki was established, I've thought that trading cites was 
silly. Withholding cites from the public while sharing them with friends 
seems elitist & counterproductive to the goal of "better debate." I 
don't think cites should be seen as commodities to be traded.

So, if someone asks you for cites, stick them on the wiki. Ask them to 
do the same for cites of theirs you want.

-- JP

Brian DeLong wrote:
>
> I'm sending a warm shout-out to Lacy for (re)-setting up this 
> wonderful service.? Thanks friend.
>
> As a side note, to you people out there who know who you are, I am 
> dumfounded by some tournaments and debater's failure/lack of use of 
> this case-list,? "Back-channeling" cite requests is such a waste of 
> time these days.? If you post your citations on the wiki after each 
> tournament you won't be hassled by other teams to email your 
> information.? Full citations and even a taste of the text of the card 
> would also be helpful.
>
> But then again, "you can't always get what you want."
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:38 PM, JP Lacy wrote:
>
>> archivedcaselist.wikispaces.com
>
>
>

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From andy.edebate at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 12:09:51 2009
From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:09:51 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Free Agent Coach.
Message-ID: <9368bc9b0908271009m4be2907ejc256c9284e4d9dcc@mail.gmail.com>

Do you need a debate coach? I'll do it and I am good at it.

Are you an individual, group of students, or team that needs some additional
coaching? If so get in touch and maybe we can work something out.

I need to get about $600-$1000 a month from doing this, you need not pay the
whole thing, let me know what you can pay, and we can work out what level of
coaching that is.

I don't need an official coaching job paid for by a university or a high
school, a student or group of students, or a coach as an individual can also
secure my services.

I can coach High School, College, Parli or Policy, If you are nearby ill
commute, if not i'll effectively telecommute.

Get in touch and we will discuss.
PS-In light of Gordon Mitchell's recent response to a call for a card
cutter...My debate pedagogy has and always will be student centered, my goal
is to help students develop the skills to create their own arguments, I
don't think either free-agency or telecoaching changes that.
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From antonucci23 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 12:17:12 2009
From: antonucci23 at gmail.com (Michael Antonucci)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:17:12 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
Message-ID: <4a71966c0908271017y3363b704qee8a60579594dcc@mail.gmail.com>

I've never heard a coherent argument against a norm to post full text
instead of first and last words.  This feature of the current system seems
designed  to generate inefficiencies through almost petulant opacity.
(FINE, I'll give you the card, but I'll make it harder for you to find -
HAHAHAHA!)

If you think that this sort of info sharing is generally bad, I strongly
disagree, but I respect your position.

If you think that we should share but deliberately increase raw labor - not
smart labor - I wish that you would explain further, because I'm just
baffled by the half-life of this convention.  From an evolutionary
perspective, it seems vestigial.

I mention this now because people are complaining about errors, improper
citations and slow turnaround.  While some individuals are probably lazy, it
makes more sense to view this problem as systemic.

-- 
Michael Antonucci
Debate Coach
Georgetown University
Mobile: 617-838-3345
Office: 202-687-4079
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From jtedebate at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 12:39:01 2009
From: jtedebate at yahoo.com (J T)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:39:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
In-Reply-To: <4a71966c0908271017y3363b704qee8a60579594dcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559814.80744.qm@web110611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think full text of cards may not be the best approach...
1. assumes all cards are scanned/OCR-ed or from electronic sources--not true.? While the transition to all-electronic is certainly advancing, not everyone is one board

2. it's too easy--people would have zero incentive to read the actual book or article...so many would just copy and paste the card.? I don't think anyone gains a bit of education under that process.? I also do not know what you mean by "smart labor".? If this means efficiency, then education outweighs efficiency in my book (although not mutually exclusive in all cases).? Sure, some people mindlessly replicate the exact card from the wiki now--However, at least some coaches express the importance of situating X card in the context of the article to their debaters--as well as the importance of reading the full article.? Efficiency is important for a number of reasons, but I think a balance of more complete citations is sufficient.



W. James Taylor ("JT")



Clinical Instructor

Asst. Debate Coach

Emporia State University



***Nothing in this email should be taken to represent Emporia State Debate or Emporia State University.  The contents are the sole opinion of the author.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Michael Antonucci <antonucci23 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Michael Antonucci <antonucci23 at gmail.com>
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
To: "College Debate Listserv" <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:17 AM

I've never heard a coherent argument against a norm to post full text instead of first and last words.? This feature of the current system seems designed? to generate inefficiencies through almost petulant opacity.? (FINE, I'll give you the card, but I'll make it harder for you to find - HAHAHAHA!)


If you think that this sort of info sharing is generally bad, I strongly disagree, but I respect your position.? 

If you think that we should share but deliberately increase raw labor - not smart labor - I wish that you would explain further, because I'm just baffled by the half-life of this convention.? From an evolutionary perspective, it seems vestigial.


I mention this now because people are complaining about errors, improper citations and slow turnaround.? While some individuals are probably lazy, it makes more sense to view this problem as systemic. 

-- 
Michael Antonucci

Debate Coach
Georgetown University
Mobile: 617-838-3345
Office: 202-687-4079


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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Thu Aug 27 12:39:38 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:39:38 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Liberty University
Message-ID: <21250ED1ED7F49B4A854571F5C031DA8@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Liberty Debate Tournament
Starts:11/6/2009
Ends:11/8/2009
Hosted by: Liberty University
Contact: Michael Hall
Address: 1971 University Blvd., Lynchburg, VA 24502
Phone: 434-582-2080
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True
Divisions Offered: 
Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Junior Varisty with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Thu Aug 27 13:50:45 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (lacyjp)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:50:45 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist
In-Reply-To: <559814.80744.qm@web110611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <559814.80744.qm@web110611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A96D585.2070901@wfu.edu>

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From meeisenstadt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 14:54:25 2009
From: meeisenstadt at gmail.com (Michael Eisenstadt)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:54:25 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Paperless Debate
Message-ID: <523152010908271254h9d26310oa9b4abf343b82890@mail.gmail.com>

I just wanted to take a minute to thank all of the pioneers of paperless
debate. As someone who has debated paperless teams and has now made the
paperless transition, it is very clear that this is the future of collegiate
debate. Thank you for all your hard effort and work on making the constantly
evolving activity even better than it already was.

Best wishes to all in the 2009-2010 season.

-- 
Michael Eisenstadt
Sanford I. Berman Debate Forum
President
UNLV Class of 2011
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From meeisenstadt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:06:20 2009
From: meeisenstadt at gmail.com (Michael Eisenstadt)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:06:20 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Paperless Debate
Message-ID: <523152010908271306r2d3550eev7518399b5f9de8c0@mail.gmail.com>

I just wanted to take a minute to thank all of the pioneers of paperless
debate. As someone who has debated paperless teams and has now made the
paperless transition, it is very clear that this is the future of collegiate
debate. Thank you for all your hard effort and work on making the constantly
evolving activity even better than it already was.

Best wishes to all in the 2009-2010 season.

-- 
Michael Eisenstadt
Sanford I. Berman Debate Forum
President
UNLV Class of 2011
***This e-mail does not represent the University of Nevada Las Vegas or the
Sanford I. Berman Debate Forum. It only represents the sender.
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From antonucci23 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:14:38 2009
From: antonucci23 at gmail.com (Michael Antonucci)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:14:38 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
Message-ID: <4a71966c0908271314h3cbedaa1ua096d76e07f7a486@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for engaging on this issue in good faith.  I do feel strongly
about this, so I apologize sincerely in advance if I sound a little snarky.

"1. assumes all cards are scanned/OCR-ed or from electronic sources--not
true.  While the transition to all-electronic is certainly advancing, not
everyone is one board."

I don't assume that.

I do assume that a large percentage of people directly cut the majority of
their evidence from electronic sources.  Most people don't scan or OCR that
much, actually, because they primarily work with electronic cards, obviating
the need for "translation" to an electronic format.

**That "assumption", however, is not a premise of my argument.**

My argument is a simple conditional.  *If* someone has easily accessible
full electronic text of their evidence, *then* they should make that fully
available without introducing a deliberate labor-intensifying inefficiency.
When we go through our electronic 1ac word documents to take out the middle
of cards prior to uploading it, we, collectively, are being stupid.

EXAMPLE:

If you scan through the caselist and see first and last words for a politics
link card that is obviously from Lexis, you know that's a deliberate
efficiency fail.  If you scan through the caselist and see first and last
words for a book, then it's clearly not a failure on the part of that team.

I defy you to find a team that regularly cuts journal articles or newspaper
articles on paper, and actually tapes down their politics DA.

"2. it's too easy--people would have zero incentive to read the actual book
or article...so many would just copy and paste the card.  I don't think
anyone gains a bit of education under that process."

Zero?

Really?

The absolutely only incentive to read an opponent's 1AC sources is to do the
rote work of filling in the middle of the card?  Looking for counterplan
options, checking the actual context of the argument, etc. - that doesn't
matter?

I disagree.  The model that you're pushing here presumes that our students
and coaches aren't smart.  It's paternalistic, ultimately.  It's dressage.
It presumes that debaters naturally aren't going to do something
competitively useful, and they need to goads that artificially induce labor
that would otherwise be unnecessary.

"I also do not know what you mean by "smart labor"."

Replicating a uniqueness card by punching firstlast into Lexis: dumb labor.
Reading the text of key articles to determine context and devise strategies:
smart labor.

Digging holes and filling them back in to feel that you're working hard is
dumb.  That's what we're doing now by maintaining artificial opacity.  We're
making students dig holes (or paying people to dig holes that they don't
need to dig, as a sort of debate TVA.)

"If this means efficiency, then education outweighs efficiency in my book
(although not mutually exclusive in all cases)."

I concur.   Education is the point.  We agree on that, so there's no impact
comparison - just a link debate.

Efficiently eliminating rote labor (unnecessary shotgun-coverage scouting,
chasing down cites, long awkward email exchanges over citations, mindlessly
replicating cards that could be easily emailed because we think debaters
won't work unless we counterintuitively make it harder for them to do so) is
educational because it frees up time to think, strategize, and read instead
of replicating.  There's a finite amount of research time.  Let's spend it
doing smart stuff, not dumb stuff.

We disagree on this, and most anyone who appreciates the convenience of
opencaselisting - collective scouting - and other similar labor-saving
materials should probably respectfully disagree with you as well.

Every argument that you're making now was previously leveled against other
hole-digging prison labor projects we used to fetishize in the past.  Let's
move on.

-- 
Michael Antonucci
Debate Coach
Georgetown University
Mobile: 617-838-3345
Office: 202-687-4079
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From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:26:14 2009
From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:26:14 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Free policy text available
Message-ID: <524839830908271326w6ad224e6n17acd9242e9bbc2b@mail.gmail.com>

With the season and new novices beginning, I'd like to let everyone know
that the Free Policy Debate Textbook at Planet Debate has been radically
expanded.

The textbook currently features 20 chapters and over 175 vocabulary words
(below the fold).

Special thanks to Rebecca (Gray) Jordan and Bill Smelko for their
contributions to this book.

The book will continue to be expanded over the course of the year and I am
looking to have a print version available in the spring.

Stefan
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From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:47:51 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] UNLV Round Robin teams accepted
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From jtedebate at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 21:02:54 2009
From: jtedebate at yahoo.com (J T)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <4a71966c0908271314h3cbedaa1ua096d76e07f7a486@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <878654.76405.qm@web110610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I can't even begin to respond to this silliness.? Good luck 

W. James Taylor ("JT")



Clinical Instructor

Asst. Debate Coach

Emporia State University



***Nothing in this email should be taken to represent Emporia State Debate or Emporia State University.  The contents are the sole opinion of the author.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Michael Antonucci <antonucci23 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Michael Antonucci <antonucci23 at gmail.com>
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
To: "College Debate Listserv" <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 1:14 PM

Thank you for engaging on this issue in good faith.? I do feel strongly about this, so I apologize sincerely in advance if I sound a little snarky.

"1. assumes all cards are scanned/OCR-ed or from electronic sources--not
true.? While the transition to all-electronic is certainly advancing,
not everyone is one board."

I don't assume that.? 

I do assume that a large percentage of people directly cut the majority of their evidence from electronic sources.? Most people don't scan or OCR that much, actually, because they primarily work with electronic cards, obviating the need for "translation" to an electronic format.? 


**That "assumption", however, is not a premise of my argument.**


My argument is a simple conditional.? *If* someone has easily accessible full electronic text of their evidence, *then* they should make that fully available without introducing a deliberate labor-intensifying inefficiency.? When we go through our electronic 1ac word documents to take out the middle of cards prior to uploading it, we, collectively, are being stupid.



EXAMPLE:

If you scan through the caselist and see first and last words for a politics link card that is obviously from Lexis, you know that's a deliberate efficiency fail.? If you scan through the caselist and see first and last words for a book, then it's clearly not a failure on the part of that team.



I defy you to find a team that regularly cuts journal articles or newspaper articles on paper, and actually tapes down their politics DA.

"2. it's too easy--people would have zero incentive to read the actual book or article...so many would just copy and paste the card.? I don't think anyone gains a bit of education under that process."



Zero?

Really?

The absolutely only incentive to read an opponent's 1AC sources is to do the rote work of filling in the middle of the card?? Looking for counterplan options, checking the actual context of the argument, etc. - that doesn't matter?? 



I disagree.? The model that you're pushing here presumes that our students and coaches aren't smart.? It's paternalistic, ultimately.? It's dressage.? It presumes that debaters naturally aren't going to do something competitively useful, and they need to goads that artificially induce labor that would otherwise be unnecessary.? 



"I also do not know what you mean by "smart labor"."

Replicating a uniqueness card by punching firstlast into Lexis: dumb labor. 
Reading the text of key articles to determine context and devise strategies: smart labor.? 



Digging holes and filling them back in to feel that you're working hard is dumb.? That's what we're doing now by maintaining artificial opacity.? We're making students dig holes (or paying people to dig holes that they don't need to dig, as a sort of debate TVA.)


"If this means efficiency, then education outweighs efficiency in my book (although not mutually exclusive in all cases)."

I concur. ? Education is the point.? We agree on that, so there's no impact comparison - just a link debate.



Efficiently eliminating rote labor (unnecessary shotgun-coverage scouting, chasing down cites, long awkward email exchanges over citations, mindlessly replicating cards that could be easily emailed because we think debaters won't work unless we counterintuitively make it harder for them to do so) is educational because it frees up time to think, strategize, and read instead of replicating.? There's a finite amount of research time.? Let's spend it doing smart stuff, not dumb stuff.



We disagree on this, and most anyone who appreciates the convenience of opencaselisting - collective scouting - and other similar labor-saving materials should probably respectfully disagree with you as well.? 



Every argument that you're making now was previously leveled against other hole-digging prison labor projects we used to fetishize in the past.? Let's move on.

-- 
Michael Antonucci
Debate Coach
Georgetown University

Mobile: 617-838-3345

Office: 202-687-4079


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From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Thu Aug 27 21:53:11 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:53:11 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Now a blank slate
Message-ID: <4A974697.90504@wfu.edu>



Opencaselist.wikispaces.com is now a blank slate. Previous info is now 
at archivedcaselist.wikispaces.com

Please add all the content you want.

Once again, if you are setting up for a tournament, or just adding info, 
please, please follow the guidelines below!

-- JP Lacy
lacyjp at wfu.edu


Please, please, please! Do not create individual team pages per tournament!

Instead, use the basics below. They make the entire wiki far more usable.

*1. Add all you want. Delete nothing. Corrections should be noted in 
subsequent additions.
2. Page organization:*

    * Each school gets a page.
    * Each team gets an aff page and a neg page.
    * Teams are arranged alphabetically with their newest information first.
    * Use "*[*[toc]*]*" (without the asterisks or quotation marks) at
      the top of each page to make the page automatically generate a
      table of contents based on heading levels.
    * Use heading 2 to list the specific team name (preferably not just
      initials).
    * Use heading 3 to specify the round/tournament
    * Use normal for other text.

*3. Include all contextual information:*

    * Team
    * Side
    * Opponent
    * Tournament & Round
    * Judge





From scottelliott at grandecom.net  Thu Aug 27 21:56:28 2009
From: scottelliott at grandecom.net (scottelliott at grandecom.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:56:28 -0500
Subject: [eDebate]  Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
Message-ID: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net>

I agree with Michael. Please post all of your work in complete form to  
Wiki. I hate this topic and have plenty of other things to do that  
would be better than cutting detterence good cards. If you post your  
complete work sets, I can simply cut and paste them into new  
positions. It saves me a lot of work and needless duplication of my  
effort. I will post all of my original work too...but, oh, wait, all  
my original work is just a careful retagging of Georgtown's disads and  
Wake's new affirmative. I am sure you will all be grateful for the new  
tags though. Thank you all in advance for spending hundreds of hours  
to build my files on this topic.

Scott

(for the obtuse is is a paradoy of a common problem called the "free  
rider." I love nothing more than hearing a disad that I spent 40 hours  
developing being run by another team in a round as if it were their  
own...within 24 hours of the disad being broken.)


From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Thu Aug 27 22:00:36 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:00:36 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <878654.76405.qm@web110610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <878654.76405.qm@web110610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A974854.5090202@wfu.edu>

That was abrupt...

J T wrote:
> I can't even begin to respond to this silliness.  Good luck
>
> W. James Taylor ("JT")
>
> Clinical Instructor
> Asst. Debate Coach
> Emporia State University
>
> ***Nothing in this email should be taken to represent Emporia State 
> Debate or Emporia State University. The contents are the sole opinion 
> of the author.
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/27/09, Michael Antonucci /<antonucci23 at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Michael Antonucci <antonucci23 at gmail.com>
>     Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
>     To: "College Debate Listserv" <edebate at ndtceda.com>
>     Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 1:14 PM
>
>     Thank you for engaging on this issue in good faith.  I do feel
>     strongly about this, so I apologize sincerely in advance if I
>     sound a little snarky.
>
>     "1. assumes all cards are scanned/OCR-ed or from electronic
>     sources--not true.  While the transition to all-electronic is
>     certainly advancing, not everyone is one board."
>
>     I don't assume that. 
>
>     I do assume that a large percentage of people directly cut the
>     majority of their evidence from electronic sources.  Most people
>     don't scan or OCR that much, actually, because they primarily work
>     with electronic cards, obviating the need for "translation" to an
>     electronic format. 
>
>     **That "assumption", however, is not a premise of my argument.**
>
>     My argument is a simple conditional.  *If* someone has easily
>     accessible full electronic text of their evidence, *then* they
>     should make that fully available without introducing a deliberate
>     labor-intensifying inefficiency.  When we go through our
>     electronic 1ac word documents to take out the middle of cards
>     prior to uploading it, we, collectively, are being stupid.
>
>     EXAMPLE:
>
>     If you scan through the caselist and see first and last words for
>     a politics link card that is obviously from Lexis, you know that's
>     a deliberate efficiency fail.  If you scan through the caselist
>     and see first and last words for a book, then it's clearly not a
>     failure on the part of that team.
>
>     I defy you to find a team that regularly cuts journal articles or
>     newspaper articles on paper, and actually tapes down their
>     politics DA.
>
>     "2. it's too easy--people would have zero incentive to read the
>     actual book or article...so many would just copy and paste the
>     card.  I don't think anyone gains a bit of education under that
>     process."
>
>     Zero?
>
>     Really?
>
>     The absolutely only incentive to read an opponent's 1AC sources is
>     to do the rote work of filling in the middle of the card?  Looking
>     for counterplan options, checking the actual context of the
>     argument, etc. - that doesn't matter? 
>
>     I disagree.  The model that you're pushing here presumes that our
>     students and coaches aren't smart.  It's paternalistic,
>     ultimately.  It's dressage.  It presumes that debaters naturally
>     aren't going to do something competitively useful, and they need
>     to goads that artificially induce labor that would otherwise be
>     unnecessary. 
>
>     "I also do not know what you mean by "smart labor"."
>
>     Replicating a uniqueness card by punching firstlast into Lexis:
>     dumb labor.
>     Reading the text of key articles to determine context and devise
>     strategies: smart labor. 
>
>     Digging holes and filling them back in to feel that you're working
>     hard is dumb.  That's what we're doing now by maintaining
>     artificial opacity.  We're making students dig holes (or paying
>     people to dig holes that they don't need to dig, as a sort of
>     debate TVA.)
>
>     "If this means efficiency, then education outweighs efficiency in
>     my book (although not mutually exclusive in all cases)."
>
>     I concur.   Education is the point.  We agree on that, so there's
>     no impact comparison - just a link debate.
>
>     Efficiently eliminating rote labor (unnecessary shotgun-coverage
>     scouting, chasing down cites, long awkward email exchanges over
>     citations, mindlessly replicating cards that could be easily
>     emailed because we think debaters won't work unless we
>     counterintuitively make it harder for them to do so) is
>     educational because it frees up time to think, strategize, and
>     read instead of replicating.  There's a finite amount of research
>     time.  Let's spend it doing smart stuff, not dumb stuff.
>
>     We disagree on this, and most anyone who appreciates the
>     convenience of opencaselisting - collective scouting - and other
>     similar labor-saving materials should probably respectfully
>     disagree with you as well. 
>
>     Every argument that you're making now was previously leveled
>     against other hole-digging prison labor projects we used to
>     fetishize in the past.  Let's move on.
>
>     -- 
>     Michael Antonucci
>     Debate Coach
>     Georgetown University
>     Mobile: 617-838-3345
>     Office: 202-687-4079
>
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From bdelo77 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 23:16:35 2009
From: bdelo77 at gmail.com (Brian DeLong)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:16:35 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net>
References: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <5B9E57F2-BB09-4399-8D82-16382EEF3CAB@gmail.com>

Scott,

You should love nothing more than hearing a disad that you spent 40  
hours or more developing being ran by another team, if anything it' s  
a compliment to you and your research skills.

But really, anyone with a judge, a scout, or a team in the round that  
you broke the disad in will have the opportunity to recut that DA as  
soon as some free time and internet are available.

TO go all "resource" on you, schools with larger coach and debater  
bases have a tendency to cover more of the citation field.  The fog of  
war isn't quite as thick when you can cover 20+ rounds at GSU.  Your  
disads are always already cut within the first few hours of the moment  
that your debater read the shell.  Sure that team has to work to cut  
your DA, and they have to have  a functional communication structure  
to relay information and blocks from round to round to their debaters  
etc.  But really, it doesn't take much to have your politics coach cut  
everyone else's politics DAs as soon as they are read.

I am sure you can imagine the irritation (to say the least) that some  
teams have when data that is assumed to be available to all (as any  
squad can access citations after a round) is "missed" or "uncollected"  
by those with less eyes on the debate battlefield.  Your post is just  
an example of this assumption of an all seeing all knowing debate  
community.  Teams with more eyes and card cutters, especially skilled  
eyes and skilled researchers, can take better citations, and cut cards  
faster than a team with less eyes on the field.  To extend your  
argument out, more "research resource" endowed teams are less lazy  
than their counterparts.  If your sweet DA goes unnoticed by a less  
"research resourced" squad or team, or if time allocation prevents a  
squad from recutting your sweet argument the second night at the NDT,  
that team is apparently lazy and should have taken more caffeine (and  
unofficially adderall) to "catch up."

On a broader level I just have more of a belief that evidence isn't  
everything.  Lazy squads won't have the experience, nor the background  
knowledge on the disad that you cut.  They also probably won't have  
your completed blocks, nor those 5-6 practice debates that you had  
prior to a tournament.  In a just world, effort+evidence should always  
beat teams that just copy and paste arguments.  On average though, I  
would say that an increase in the amount of "experience" or "effort"  
variables will still have a positive influence on your winning  
percentage.

I equate your ironic parody as containing what I often hear younger  
debaters exclaim when their disad is re-used or reinvented by another  
squad,  "They stole my argument!" Who cares?  For me at least, this  
has very little implication.  You stole that argument from the authors  
that you cut your evidence from...

Pre-empt: If you're angry that you've lost to your own handy work in  
the past, maybe you should recognize what has become a clear standard   
for coaches that I've interacted with in the past: If you are going to  
break an argument early, or mid-tournament, you should make sure that  
you are prepared to answer that argument if someone runs it against  
you.  It's a thing of beauty when you can see the intricacies of your  
own handy work and you can take advantage of your argument's achilles  
heel.

The impact, in the end, is just better debate.  We can spend less time  
in finding, and reproducing work that has already been done by someone  
in the community.  Instead, we can spend more time reinventing those  
arguments, improving them, and building overall research on the topic  
as a whole.  Sure you can make an argument that there  are builders,  
hard working researchers, and there are dwellers (squatters?) who live  
in those argument houses that researchers built.  But that argument is  
clearly non-unique.  Great debaters get things done, they alter their  
arguments, and produce new, or improved  ones to win rounds.  Those  
who act like trailblazers will not just lose their artistic ability to  
create new arguments.  They will still win debates, and your 40 hours  
of work will not go unrewarded.  However, this full card citation/ 
posting idea does provide some debaters out there with the opportunity  
to also become trailblazers.  Better arguments, and more research  
should be preferred above less.

Motive wise - I have the sinking suspicion that there are some people  
out there who refuse to post their cards, or even citations, because  
the 4 pt font section of one of their cards has a devastating takeout  
to their argument.  We all know how easy it is to take advantage of  
ignorance when new arguments are deployed in debate.  The uncanny  
makes it difficult for a team to pin down the argument.  Clearly the  
constraints of a round makes it difficult for a team to look through  
every card read on an argument during a card war to see that portion  
of the card that undermines the coherency of your DA.  The value of  
those 30 minutes or so of pre-round prep will be boosted when your  
weak argument is undressed and exposed to the scrutiny of your  
opponents, rather than being cloaked by the  "ya gotta go get the  
card," here is the first 4 words and last 4 words of the card, but  
that's all you get standard that we have today.

A question to advance the discussion.  Why is it that your opponents  
when you break the card can see the full text of the evidence, but  
debaters from other rounds must wait until they go out to get the full  
text before they can have access to that evidence?  There is much  
hesitation if prior to a debate I ask an opponent to see their  
politics shell that they read a few rounds before.  I think the clear  
motive is that that team wants to protect their argument from  
potential counter-arguments etc.  Rather, a few added hoops of go  
"cite-track" the evidence is thrown in your opponents way to make sure  
you have an added advantage before a round starts.  Strategic? Yes!  
Good for the betterment of debate? I don't think so.


As I've already stated, the wiki itself is a great service and  
certainly reduces the existence of the fog of evidence/citations.  But  
there is always room for improvement.
On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:56 PM, scottelliott at grandecom.net wrote:

> I agree with Michael. Please post all of your work in complete form to
> Wiki. I hate this topic and have plenty of other things to do that
> would be better than cutting detterence good cards. If you post your
> complete work sets, I can simply cut and paste them into new
> positions. It saves me a lot of work and needless duplication of my
> effort. I will post all of my original work too...but, oh, wait, all
> my original work is just a careful retagging of Georgtown's disads and
> Wake's new affirmative. I am sure you will all be grateful for the new
> tags though. Thank you all in advance for spending hundreds of hours
> to build my files on this topic.
>
> Scott
>
> (for the obtuse is is a paradoy of a common problem called the "free
> rider." I love nothing more than hearing a disad that I spent 40 hours
> developing being run by another team in a round as if it were their
> own...within 24 hours of the disad being broken.)
>
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From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Fri Aug 28 00:21:22 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:21:22 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net>
References: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net>
Message-ID: <4A976952.1040300@wfu.edu>

If all you've got is a retag of Wake's new aff, you are toast. You'll 
probably last longer with Georgetown's disads.

Good arguments *should* be "free-ridden."

Its called argument development. With shared scouting, everyone has a 
decent opportunity to engage in it.

-- JP



scottelliott at grandecom.net wrote:
> I agree with Michael. Please post all of your work in complete form to  
> Wiki. I hate this topic and have plenty of other things to do that  
> would be better than cutting detterence good cards. If you post your  
> complete work sets, I can simply cut and paste them into new  
> positions. It saves me a lot of work and needless duplication of my  
> effort. I will post all of my original work too...but, oh, wait, all  
> my original work is just a careful retagging of Georgtown's disads and  
> Wake's new affirmative. I am sure you will all be grateful for the new  
> tags though. Thank you all in advance for spending hundreds of hours  
> to build my files on this topic.
>
> Scott
>
> (for the obtuse is is a paradoy of a common problem called the "free  
> rider." I love nothing more than hearing a disad that I spent 40 hours  
> developing being run by another team in a round as if it were their  
> own...within 24 hours of the disad being broken.)
>
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From lacyjp at wfu.edu  Fri Aug 28 00:33:38 2009
From: lacyjp at wfu.edu (JP Lacy)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:33:38 +0000
Subject: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <5B9E57F2-BB09-4399-8D82-16382EEF3CAB@gmail.com>
References: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net><5B9E57F2-BB09-4399-8D82-16382EEF3CAB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <278259981-1251437619-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2061537703-@bxe1157.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

In the past, we operated with closed caselists. That way, only those with friends and good resources had good information.

Unless we are willing to ban information gathering, an open caselist is the most fair way to do things.

-- JP

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian DeLong <bdelo77 at gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:16:35 
To: <scottelliott at grandecom.net>
Cc: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Opencaselist: Fulltext Tangent


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From jbhdb8 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 01:13:13 2009
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:13:13 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <4A976952.1040300@wfu.edu>
References: <20090827215628.129933bb2ual7yho@webmail.grandecom.net>
	<4A976952.1040300@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <f6ec14bb0908272313n70d3cc56l83e19e646823704f@mail.gmail.com>

Amen, I know people who say the only way they competed in college at all was
because of shared scouting....

Josh

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:21 AM, JP Lacy <lacyjp at wfu.edu> wrote:

> If all you've got is a retag of Wake's new aff, you are toast. You'll
> probably last longer with Georgetown's disads.
>
> Good arguments *should* be "free-ridden."
>
> Its called argument development. With shared scouting, everyone has a
> decent opportunity to engage in it.
>
> -- JP
>
>
>
> scottelliott at grandecom.net wrote:
> > I agree with Michael. Please post all of your work in complete form to
> > Wiki. I hate this topic and have plenty of other things to do that
> > would be better than cutting detterence good cards. If you post your
> > complete work sets, I can simply cut and paste them into new
> > positions. It saves me a lot of work and needless duplication of my
> > effort. I will post all of my original work too...but, oh, wait, all
> > my original work is just a careful retagging of Georgtown's disads and
> > Wake's new affirmative. I am sure you will all be grateful for the new
> > tags though. Thank you all in advance for spending hundreds of hours
> > to build my files on this topic.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > (for the obtuse is is a paradoy of a common problem called the "free
> > rider." I love nothing more than hearing a disad that I spent 40 hours
> > developing being run by another team in a round as if it were their
> > own...within 24 hours of the disad being broken.)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > eDebate mailing list
> > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com
> > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate
> >
> >
> >
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From dave at miami.edu  Fri Aug 28 09:47:00 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (David Steinberg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:47:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [eDebate] FOX Pro Football Pick'em - You're Invited to Play!
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From dave at miami.edu  Fri Aug 28 09:57:13 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (David Steinberg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:57:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [eDebate] FOX College Football Pick'em - You're Invited to Play!
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From jtedebate at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 10:04:05 2009
From: jtedebate at yahoo.com (J T)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:04:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Fulltext Tangent
In-Reply-To: <f6ec14bb0908272313n70d3cc56l83e19e646823704f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <961049.79916.qm@web110609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


For the time being, can we all just agree to encourage a little more text or and unique key words?




W. James Taylor ("JT")



Clinical Instructor

Asst. Debate Coach

Emporia State University



***Nothing in this email should be taken to represent Emporia State Debate or Emporia State University.  The contents are the sole opinion of the author.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Fulltext Tangent
To: "JP Lacy" <lacyjp at wfu.edu>
Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com, scottelliott at grandecom.net
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:13 PM

Amen, I know people who say the only way they competed in college at all was because of shared scouting....
?
Josh


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:21 AM, JP Lacy <lacyjp at wfu.edu> wrote:

If all you've got is a retag of Wake's new aff, you are toast. You'll
probably last longer with Georgetown's disads.


Good arguments *should* be "free-ridden."

Its called argument development. With shared scouting, everyone has a
decent opportunity to engage in it.

-- JP



scottelliott at grandecom.net wrote:

> I agree with Michael. Please post all of your work in complete form to
> Wiki. I hate this topic and have plenty of other things to do that
> would be better than cutting detterence good cards. If you post your

> complete work sets, I can simply cut and paste them into new
> positions. It saves me a lot of work and needless duplication of my
> effort. I will post all of my original work too...but, oh, wait, all

> my original work is just a careful retagging of Georgtown's disads and
> Wake's new affirmative. I am sure you will all be grateful for the new
> tags though. Thank you all in advance for spending hundreds of hours

> to build my files on this topic.
>
> Scott
>
> (for the obtuse is is a paradoy of a common problem called the "free
> rider." I love nothing more than hearing a disad that I spent 40 hours

> developing being run by another team in a round as if it were their
> own...within 24 hours of the disad being broken.)
>
> _______________________________________________
> eDebate mailing list

> eDebate at www.ndtceda.com
> http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate
>
>

>

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From Roy.Eno at utsa.edu  Fri Aug 28 12:42:16 2009
From: Roy.Eno at utsa.edu (Roy Eno)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:42:16 -0500
Subject: [eDebate] Judges needed for UTSA at Mo State
Message-ID: <7CE039ACB3DF9645B48718D2FDB21DCAF00ECF@opal1604.UTSARR.NET>

We are looking for twenty rounds of judging at Mo State. $25 per cash on site okay?
 
skip eno
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From sarahtp73 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 28 12:51:22 2009
From: sarahtp73 at yahoo.com (Sarah Partlow)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [eDebate] Need judging for Wyoming
Message-ID: <969116.47044.qm@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We need 6 rounds.  $30 a round cash.

Contact me.  

Sarah PartlowLefevre


      
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From schuelbe at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 15:51:34 2009
From: schuelbe at gmail.com (Beth Schueler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:51:34 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Seeking Coach: Berkeley High
Message-ID: <58fced380908281351y58376c41nf5a6d3dde4a1ee2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

A few years ago I helped to get a small policy debate team going at Berkeley
High School. Thad Blank helped them last year after I left the Bay Area. The
kids are in need of a 2009-2010 coach and I'm writing to ask if anyone would
be interested in getting involved. The budget is not huge, but we can work
with you to arrange a stipend.

This is a small group (usually 2 - 3 teams attend tournaments), but the
potential definitely exists to create a larger program depending on your
interest. A few of the team members have been to camp at UC Berkeley. They
have attended mostly regional, but also local national tournaments (Berkeley
& Stanford). They are really positive, enthused, intelligent kids who are
committed to debate, but are also interested in pursuing other high school
activities. They're hoping for lunchtime or after-school coaching/ practice
debates and/or judging and coaching at weekend tournaments. They're flexible
and will work around your other commitments.

If you are interested or have any brainstorms please shoot me a line. Feel
free to forward as well!

Thanks,

Beth Schueler (Whitman 2005)
schuelbe at gmail.com
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From schuelbe at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 15:51:34 2009
From: schuelbe at gmail.com (Beth Schueler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:51:34 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Seeking Coach: Berkeley High
Message-ID: <58fced380908281351y58376c41nf5a6d3dde4a1ee2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

A few years ago I helped to get a small policy debate team going at Berkeley
High School. Thad Blank helped them last year after I left the Bay Area. The
kids are in need of a 2009-2010 coach and I'm writing to ask if anyone would
be interested in getting involved. The budget is not huge, but we can work
with you to arrange a stipend.

This is a small group (usually 2 - 3 teams attend tournaments), but the
potential definitely exists to create a larger program depending on your
interest. A few of the team members have been to camp at UC Berkeley. They
have attended mostly regional, but also local national tournaments (Berkeley
& Stanford). They are really positive, enthused, intelligent kids who are
committed to debate, but are also interested in pursuing other high school
activities. They're hoping for lunchtime or after-school coaching/ practice
debates and/or judging and coaching at weekend tournaments. They're flexible
and will work around your other commitments.

If you are interested or have any brainstorms please shoot me a line. Feel
free to forward as well!

Thanks,

Beth Schueler (Whitman 2005)
schuelbe at gmail.com
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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Fri Aug 28 21:48:00 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:48:00 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Western Connecticut
Message-ID: <CD6A482825A2413496BA27A5D6BA96E1@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:Hat City Debates at Western Connecticut
Starts:11/14/2009
Ends:11/15/2009
Hosted by: Western Connecticut
Contact: Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox
Address: 181 White Street, Danbury, CT 06810
Phone: 203-837-8565
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True
Divisions Offered: 
Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters
Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From hansonjb at whitman.edu  Sat Aug 29 14:30:43 2009
From: hansonjb at whitman.edu (Jim Hanson)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:30:43 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] new director of a program?
Message-ID: <EFBE6A7469EB4F25870B88F723DAD296@whitman.edu>

I just sent out an email to all people who I believe are directors of policy programs.

if you did not get that email--please email me including telling me what school you are from.

this is for the ndt rankings reports and for the college policy debate program information page.

jim :)
ndt rankings director
hansonjb at whitman.edu
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From dave at miami.edu  Mon Aug 31 11:07:14 2009
From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:07:14 -0400
Subject: [eDebate] Unofficial Calendar Update 8/31
Message-ID: <F6E4AA7F0B72244192354122A9FBD808148A6DB66D@MBX03.cgcent.miami.edu>

Please check the calendar and send me your corrections, additions, etc....   thanks, ds

5-Sep











12-Sep

Gonzaga (Sat-Mon)



Glen Frapier

gfrappier at gmail.com<mailto:gfrappier at gmail.com>



19-Sep

GSU (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Joe Bellon

joe.bellon at gmail.com<mailto:joe.bellon at gmail.com>





Golden Gate Season Opener, SFSU (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Alexis Litzky

alitzky at sfsu.edu<mailto:alitzky at sfsu.edu>

www.sfstateforensics.com/ <http://www.sfstateforensics.com/>



Northern Iowa (sat-mon)

O,JV,N

Katherine Lavelle

katherine.lavelle at uni.edu<mailto:katherine.lavelle at uni.edu>





King's College Frank Harrison Memorial (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Mike Berry

MikeBerry at Kings.edu<mailto:MikeBerry at Kings.edu>



26-Sep

Clarion (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Jim Lyle

jlyle at clarion.edu<mailto:jlyle at clarion.edu>





Bear Shock at MoState (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Eric Morris

ermocito at gmail.com <mailto:ermocito at gmail.com>





Huber Debates, UVermont (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N

Tuna Snider

alfred.snider at uvm.edu<mailto:alfred.snider at uvm.edu>

http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/huber/Welcome.html



Wayne Callaway Debates at Laramie (Sat-Sun)

O,J,N

Matt Stannard

stannard at uwyo.edu <mailto:stannard at uwyo.edu>



30-Sep

UNLV Las Vegas Classic Round Robin (W-TH)



Jake Thompson

jacob.thompson at unlv.edu<mailto:jacob.thompson at unlv.edu>

http://www.unlv.edu/orgs/debate/

3-Oct

Kentucky (Sat-Mon)

open

Roger Solt

resolt2 at email.uky.edu<mailto:resolt2 at email.uky.edu>





UNLV Las Vegas Classic Tournament (Sat-Mon)



Jake Thompson

jacob.thompson at unlv.edu<mailto:jacob.thompson at unlv.edu>

http://www.unlv.edu/orgs/debate/

10-Oct

Richmond (sat-mon)

O,JV,N

Kevin Kuswa

kkuswa at richmond.edu<mailto:kkuswa at richmond.edu>





Kansas City Kansas Community College (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Darren Elliott

delliott at kckcc.edu<mailto:delliott at kckcc.edu>





Santa Rosa Junior College

O,JV,N

Mark Nelson

mnelson at santarosa.edu<mailto:mnelson at santarosa.edu>



17-Oct

Vanderbilt  (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

M.L. Sandoz

ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu<mailto:ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu>





Idaho State (Sat-Mon)











Army @ West Point (Fri-Sat)

O,JV,N

Andrew Brosnan

Andrew.brosnan at usma.edu<mailto:Andrew.brosnan at usma.edu>





Emporia George RR Pflaum

O,JV

Sam Maurer

smaurer at emporia.edu<mailto:smaurer at emporia.edu>



24-Oct

Diablo Valley College



Becky Opsata

BOpsata at dvc.edu<mailto:BOpsata at dvc.edu>





Wayne State (Sat-Mon)



Kelly Young

kel1773 at msn.com <mailto:kel1773 at msn.com>



31-Oct

Harvard (Sat-Mon)

O

Dallas Perkins

dperkins at fas.harvard.edu<mailto:dperkins at fas.harvard.edu>



7-Nov

Joe C. Jackson @ UCO (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Eric Marlow

emarlow at uco.edu<mailto:emarlow at uco.edu>





Liberty

O,JV,N

Mike Hall

mphall at liberty.edu<mailto:mphall at liberty.edu>

www.liberty.edu/debate <http://www.liberty.edu/debate>



Bayside @ South Florida St. Pete (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

David Trigaux

jddtfl at yahoo.com<mailto:jddtfl at yahoo.com>



14-Nov

WNPT @ Whitman (Sat-Mon)

open

Jim Hanson

hansonjb at whitman.edu<mailto:hansonjb at whitman.edu>

http://www.whitman.edu/rhetoric/collegetourn/54wnpt2009.htm



Western Connecticut (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N

Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox

wilcoxw at wcsu.edu <mailto:wilcoxw at wcsu.edu>



21-Nov

Wake Forest (Sat-Mon)

open

JP Lacy

lacyjp at wfu.edu<mailto:lacyjp at wfu.edu>



21-Nov

Appalachian State (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Kris Willis

williskw at appstate.edu<mailto:williskw at appstate.edu>





CSUN Robert Barbera Invitational (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

John Kephart

csundebate at gmail.com<mailto:csundebate at gmail.com>



28-Nov











5-Dec

Austin J. Freeley @ John Carroll (Fri-Sun)



Brent Brossman

brossmann at jcu.edu<mailto:brossmann at jcu.edu>



12-Dec











19-Dec











26-Dec











2-Jan

First Leg of California Swing, Cal-Berkeley (1/3-1/5)



Greg Achten

gregachten at berkeley.edu<mailto:gregachten at berkeley.edu>





Second Leg of California Swing, Cal-Berkeley (1/7-1/9)



Greg Achten

gregachten at berkeley.edu<mailto:gregachten at berkeley.edu>





James Madison (Mon-Wed)

O,JV,N

Mike Davis

davismk13 at gmail.com<mailto:davismk13 at gmail.com>



9-Jan

UT-Dallas (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Chris Burk

crb012000 at utdallas.edu<mailto:crb012000 at utdallas.edu>

www.utdallas.edu/orgs/debate/<http://www.utdallas.edu/orgs/debate/>



Mary Washington (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Tim O'Donnell

todonnel at umw.edu<mailto:todonnel at umw.edu>





Illinois State (fri-sun)

O,JV,N

Donny Peters

don1299 at hotmail.com<mailto:don1299 at hotmail.com>



16-Jan

WGA (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Mike Hester

UWGDebate at gmail.com<mailto:UWGDebate at gmail.com>





George Mason Patriot Debates (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Warren Decker

wdecker at gmu.edu<mailto:wdecker at gmu.edu>





James Madison - Madison Cup (March 17th)



Mike Davis

davismk13 at gmail.com<mailto:davismk13 at gmail.com>





Arizona State (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Adam Symonds

asymonds at asu.edu<mailto:asymonds at asu.edu>



23-Jan

Navy (Fri-Sat)

O,JV,N

Danielle Verney-O'Gorman

verney at usna.edu <mailto:verney at usna.edu>





Fullerton (1/22-1/25)

O,JV,N

Jon Bruschke

jbruschke at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU<mailto:jbruschke at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU>





Baby Jo Memorial Tournament at UMKC (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

Matt Vega

vegam at umkc.edu <mailto:vegam at umkc.edu>



30-Jan

Hurricane Debates, Universtiy of Miami (Fri-Sun)

O,JV,N

David Steinberg

dave at miami.edu<mailto:dave at miami.edu>

http://debate.miami.edu/college/



Augustana College Viking Debates (Fri-Sun) TENTATIVE

O,JV,N

Max Archer

max.o.archer at gmail.com<mailto:max.o.archer at gmail.com>





Denver (likely?: Sat-Sun)











NE Round Robin in NYC (Sat-Sun)









6-Feb

University of Texas (Sat-Mon)

O

Joel Rollins

JD.Rollins at mail.utexas.edu<mailto:JD.Rollins at mail.utexas.edu>



13-Feb

Umass (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N









UPS (maybe?)











Florida State University Matt Grindy Memorial TENTATIVE

O,JV.N

Matt Rosenblum

matthewrosenblum411 at gmail.com<mailto:matthewrosenblum411 at gmail.com>





Mardi Gras @ University of Louisianna (Fri-Mon)

O,JV,N

Scott Elliott

sme2607 at louisiana.edu<mailto:sme2607 at louisiana.edu>



27-Feb

D6/SEC Regionals

O,JV,N

Mike Hester

UWGDebate at gmail.com<mailto:UWGDebate at gmail.com>





NDT District 2 at Weber (Sat-Sun)











NE Regionals and D8 @ Binghamton (Sat-Sun)

O,JV,N







6-Mar

ADA Nationals @ Vanderbilt (Sat-Mon)

O,JV,N

Brent Brossman

brossmann at mirapoint.jcu.edu<mailto:brossmann at mirapoint.jcu.edu>





Freshman/Sophomore Nationas @ Michigan State (Sat-Mon)



Greta Stahl

greta.stahl at gmail.com<mailto:greta.stahl at gmail.com>



13-Mar

NJDDT (sat-mon)

JV,N

Terri Easley

teasley3 at jccc.edu<mailto:teasley3 at jccc.edu>



20-Mar

NDT: The National Debate Tournament at Cal-Berkeley (3/20-3/23)



Greg Achten (Host)

gregachten at berkeley.edu<mailto:gregachten at berkeley.edu>



27-Mar

CEDA: Cross Examination Debate Association Nationals (3/25-3/28)



Greg Achten (Host) Gordon Stables (director)

gregachten at berkeley.edu; stables at usc.edu





David L. Steinberg
Director of Debate, University of Miami
P.O. Box 248127
Coral Gables, Florida   33124

305-284-5553 (office)
305-284-5216 (fax)
305-926-8498 (cell)
dave at miami.edu<mailto:dave at miami.edu>

Go Canes!


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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu  Mon Aug 31 13:03:51 2009
From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:03:51 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Idaho State
Message-ID: <D47CEDF031B7454F95A4BE4970BC4CC0@AD.FULLERTON.EDU>

Name:James M. Rupp Debates at Idaho State
Starts:10/17/2009
Ends:10/19/2009
Hosted by: Idaho State
Contact: Sarah Partlow Lefevre
Address: Campus Box 8115, Idaho State University, Pocatello, ID 83201
Phone: 208-251-0138
On-line entry allowed: True
AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False
Divisions Offered: 
Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
JV with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Not specified
Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com
This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament.
If so, you will be notified by a separate email.


From hansonjb at whitman.edu  Mon Aug 31 17:10:36 2009
From: hansonjb at whitman.edu (Jim Hanson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:10:36 -0700
Subject: [eDebate] seeking judging for isu tournament
Message-ID: <D713EC429A9C481FA09B0A38069F91A3@whitman.edu>

6 rounds needed

$30 per round or $300 for a full commitment

jim :)
hansonjb at whitman.edu
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