From alfred.snider at uvm.edu Mon Sep 1 14:11:34 2008 From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred Snider) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:11:34 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] On GLOBAL DEBATE in August 2008 Message-ID: <48BC3E66.5040508@uvm.edu> If you want to follow the news of the debating world, you need to tune in to GLOBAL DEBATE http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com/ Here are a list of the stories published in the month of August: * Lincoln-Douglas Debates Re-Enacted * North Carolina Community Groups Unite to Support Y... * WSDC 2008 Draw * WSDC Draw at Midnight Eastern Time * Payment Details for Cork WUDC * North South University Focuses on Novice Debaters * Pakistan Prime Minister Salutes Debaters on Way to... * IDEA to Sponsor US Universities 2009 * WSDC Washington's News Blog is Up * Houston Kicks Off New Debate League * Kansas City Editorial Supports Fort Hays Debate Pr... * Joseph Hoffman, Treasured Debate Coach, Passes Awa... * Cambridge IV Announced * IDEA Debatepedia Wins Grant from Journalism Founda... * Saddleback USA President Forum Avoids Debate * Qatar 2010 Bid Book Released * Huge Prize in National History Debate * Debate and Issue 101 Website is One Year Old * 308 Teams at Cork WUDC * USA Policy Debate Listserv Reacts to Firing * CEDA Reacts to Professor's Dismissal * Fort Hays University Dismisses Coach and Suspends ... * Three USA Presidential Debates Scheduled * Filipinos Rise to Top of World Debating Ranks * The Joy of Middle School Debate * WUPID Update - Teams and Tours * Wales Schools Debate Competition * Debategraph Explores New Ways of Looking at Argume... * Cork WUDC Tops Out at 308 * Petition of Support for Embattled Debate Coach * Cork WUDC Moves Teams Off Waitlist, Rises to 308 T... * Slovenia Hosts International High School Tournamen... * The Great Planet Debate * New "World Schools Ltd." To Have Meeting * Filipinos Immersed in Lively World Debate * Publicity Nightmare for USA Policy Debate * Bermuda World Schools Team Ready to Represent * Former Debater Involved in Republican "Bounty Hunt... * "Verbattle" Waged in India * National Public Policy Forum Contest Goes Internat... * Jerry Falwell's Debate Investment * Presidential Debates Fail to Meet Definition * Benjamin Mays - Civil Rights Leader & Debate Coach... * More Kudos for Fran Berger * Meet the National Christian Forensics and Communic... * Olympics of Oratory Coming Soon * Qatar Debate Looks to Staff Upcoming Workshops * Huge Debate Mobilization in Philippines * Last Day at Japan Debate Association Conference * Fran Berger - Dedicated Debate Legend Called "Unfo... * Malaysia's Commitment to Debating * Japan Debate Association Conference in Tama Opens * World Debate Institute College Policy Session Ends... * Debate Coach to Clerk for US Supreme Court * Grateful for Roman Heritage of Using Language to P... * NCA Convention in USA Has Huge Debate & Speech Off... * IDEA Video Sites * World Schools Incorporates * Students in History-Debate Road Show for Big Money... * Debate Passion Flows at Military Leadership Worksh... * A Party Without Candidates Focuses on Debate * Kyiv Open 2008 * Qatar Debate Comes to New York * Lawyer is Also Part-time Pro Debater * Debate Fever Hits Ole Miss * World Debate Institute WUDC Session Concludes * Presidential Debate Blog * Cork Worlds Fills Up Fast * NFA Announces USA College LD Topic 08-09 * Junior State of America -- Another Way to Debate Thanks for your time. Tuna -- Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics University of Vermont Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu World Debate Institute http://debate.uvm.edu/wdi/ World Debate Institute Blog http://worlddebateinstitute.blogspot.com 802-656-0097 office telephone 802-656-4275 office fax From rickydeck at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 00:10:57 2008 From: rickydeck at gmail.com (Ricky Deck) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:10:57 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] ATTN: KENNY HANSON Message-ID: <6ae7c1540809012210q68f6e855nb4e8b0c9dad52aab@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody have Ken Hanson's email address so I could get in touch with him? I believe he's at Richmond.... Thanks, Ricky Drexel/Swarthmore Debate 2008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080902/8351ca43/attachment.htm From hansonjb at whitman.edu Tue Sep 2 02:42:27 2008 From: hansonjb at whitman.edu (Jim Hanson) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:42:27 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] beta test new debate tab program? Message-ID: <756B6117F9A047A8B0EF37C57137D1F8@whitman.edu> if you want to beta test the new plus 2.0 debate tab program over the next 12 days--email me. it involves simulating a tournament with the program and then emailing me with bugs/problems that occur. the goal is to make the program rock solid beyond the extensive testing we have already done when it gets released in about 2 weeks. jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu From dhairya.dalal at rochester.edu Tue Sep 2 02:50:43 2008 From: dhairya.dalal at rochester.edu (Dhairya Dalal) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:50:43 +0100 Subject: [eDebate] Anyone Know about British Debate (as in the country of England) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I am studying a semester abroad in Bath, England. I was curious if anyone knew anything about debate programs in England that I could get involved with. I've found two programs near me, Bath University and Bristol University, but was wondering if anyone might have connections at the programs and introduce me possibly. Please back channel if you can help. Thanks, Dhairya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080902/1e207fdf/attachment.htm From pgk at philkerpen.com Tue Sep 2 08:39:33 2008 From: pgk at philkerpen.com (Phil Kerpen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:39:33 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Evazon/Thursday File call for authors Message-ID: <000a01c90d01$58e1a100$37cb820a@us.mst.net> If you're interested in selling evidence to high school students please fill out the author application on www.evazon.com (must be logged in to cross-x.com to see application link). If you would like to write Thursday File politics files please contact me directly. Thanks! ------------------------ Phil Kerpen www.philkerpen.com Cell: 202.285.9714 Fax: 202.478.0343 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080902/3f6c2cf0/attachment.htm From andy.edebate at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 09:28:52 2008 From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:28:52 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Baltimore College Debate needs T file $$ for you Message-ID: <9368bc9b0809020728t59f08094w27e681d25f43e400@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Baltimore College Debate needs a high quality T file for the college topic.We will pay $75 when complte. We will also consider an onging payment for updates. we want shells definitions and answers, we are looking for a current college debater or coach for this assignment, if you are interested submit a bid that contains when you expect to be done, what it will contain, your price for updates and any value added components that you think would help our students and coaches. please have the bid in by wednesday at 10 Pm eastern time...Thanks andy ellis From rwgallow at samford.edu Tue Sep 2 09:46:40 2008 From: rwgallow at samford.edu (Galloway, Ryan W.) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:46:40 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Seeking Hybrid Partner for GSU Message-ID: <821AB4E5068CAB43A2539D4DD81F38E30D3A7B2C@SAMFORDMAIL.ad.samford.edu> Looking for a hybrid partner in the open division at Georgia State. Please backchannel me if you are interested. Thank you so much! Dr. Ryan Galloway Director of Debate Samford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080902/804918d3/attachment.htm From debate at ou.edu Tue Sep 2 12:02:08 2008 From: debate at ou.edu (Massey, Jackie B.) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:02:08 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Topic Meeting INformation -- Anyone? Message-ID: <650DB0CBB8E8E3418E627BD179329677EF65D0B1C2@XMAIL2.sooner.net.ou.edu> Hey I was needing something that says when the dates of the topic committee are, on the same sheet of paper/email saying where they were at. Was there any place where a schedule was produced, or some form of invite. The CEDA Summer Meeting Inf cuts off after the meeting and I am trying to get JR some reimbursements from his attendance. Can someone help me with this? Thanks jackie From cramhelwich at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 17:40:58 2008 From: cramhelwich at gmail.com (David Cram Helwich) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:40:58 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Ulrich judging needed Message-ID: <52ace93c0809021540l534f85afq40add529aa70fb1f@mail.gmail.com> UMN needs to hire rounds at UNI. Please backchannel if interested. best, dch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080902/6cccc3cc/attachment.htm From mudman19 at msn.com Tue Sep 2 20:16:59 2008 From: mudman19 at msn.com (James Parrish Davis) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:16:59 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GSU ROUNDS FOR SALE Message-ID: i have three rounds for purchase . cash only. JAMES DAVIS UCO DEBATE _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080902/45177ec3/attachment.htm From james.maritato at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 00:42:52 2008 From: james.maritato at gmail.com (James Maritato) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:42:52 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] The Newest Member of the Pepperdine Waves Debate Team? Message-ID: Hey All, I just wanted to pass along word that Sarah Stone Watt and Erik Watt are the proud parents of a healthy baby girl. Evan Lily-Stone Watt entered the world on Tuesday, September 2 weighing in at 7 lbs. 10 ounces. Rumor has it she did not cry, but immediately demanded someone find her a "Reader as Controller" file, camera film, and a ride to Old Navy. :-) All kidding aside, I hope that you will join me in congratulating two of my favorite people on the planet and their newborn on achieving healthy family unit status :-). Adorable baby picture attached, but be forewarned as you may make that "awwww" sound from tv sitcoms. Jim Maritato Marist Debate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080903/7e2e0b7a/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: evan.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 126543 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080903/7e2e0b7a/attachment.jpg From adri.debate at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 06:39:56 2008 From: adri.debate at gmail.com (Adrienne F. Brovero) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:39:56 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to hire judging at Clarion Message-ID: <50704d760809030439q36eaf671l39328639ccc5751a@mail.gmail.com> Hi - UMW needs to hire some judging for Clarion. We pay at tourney and in cash. Let me know if you're available. Thanks, Adrienne -- Adrienne F. Brovero Debate Coach UMW Debate 540-654-2128 "Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive." -John F. Kennedy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080903/e3d9c3fd/attachment.htm From tpeters at jeffco.k12.co.us Wed Sep 3 12:13:13 2008 From: tpeters at jeffco.k12.co.us (Peters Tammie L.) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:13:13 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Help for a new program in Southern Cal Message-ID: <02806BDC91CA4848A5DF52FF55B94511067A5DA3@EXCHANGE.jeffco.schools> Colleagues: A graduate of mine is attending college at Whittier College in the Los Angeles area. She desperately wants to start up a debate program there, as she debated for me in high school for all four years. I don't know if she is looking to start up a CEDA program, or possibly a Parli program. I was wondering if any of you might be willing to share your email addressses with her to offer her advice or tips. As a high school coach in Colorado, I know nothing about college competition or Southern California. If you would be willing to communicate with this young lady, please send me your email and I will send it along to her. Thanks for your help, Tammie Peters Golden High School, Golden, Colorado -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080903/a34904be/attachment.htm From gordonm at pitt.edu Wed Sep 3 23:10:24 2008 From: gordonm at pitt.edu (Mitchell, Gordon Roger) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:10:24 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Palin BMD Op-Ed draft - comments please Message-ID: Hi folks, The piece below is now under review at a major newspaper, and there is a window for backchannel pre-publicaton comments (wordsmithing, additional sourcing, argument refinement suggestions, constructive criticism, etc.). As usual I come to you smart people first because you never fail to amaze me with your hive-minded brilliance. Governor Palin's Missile Defense Moment By Gordon R. Mitchell 775 words Sarah Palin's backers have put the Alaska governor in a tough spot by touting her missile defense credentials as evidence of commander-in-chief readiness. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion in Alaska is staffed exclusively by members of the active Alaska National Guard. That this unit ostensibly falls under Palin's authority lends surface validity to arguments that her missile defense experience constitutes preparation for commanding the Pentagon. But as missile defense public affairs officer Maj. Laura Kenney explained to me, "we don't really belong to the governor." According to Maj. Kenney, a memorandum of understanding between the state of Alaska and the U.S. Department of Defense sets terms whereby "the second we go into using the system, we switch into federal control." In a recent interview with the Associated Press, Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, corroborated this point, clarifying that Governor Palin plays virtually no role in national defense activities. This disconnect in the command chain does not seem to dampen the enthusiasm of Palin backers such as John Bolton. The former U.N. ambassador maintains that thanks to her Alaskan roots, Governor Palin "would know more by osmosis" about missile defense than her Democratic rivals. More directly, Bolton was quoted as telling Republican National Convention delegates that when he met Palin during a National Review cruise-stop in Alaska, she "knew the ins and outs of the missile defense issue" and there was "no doubt she was completely up to speed on it." It appears that the missile defense argument for Palin's commander-in-chief readiness rests less on any actual command experience and more on her profound grasp of the subtleties involved in the complex policy debate surrounding missile defense. Following this line of reasoning, one would expect Governor Palin to have a sophisticated and well-thought out policy position on the controversial February 2008 Pentagon shoot-down of the orbiting USA 193 satellite. As New America Foundation nuclear strategy and nonproliferation expert Jeffrey Lewis reasons, if Palin is as plugged-in on missile defense as Bolton suggests, "she ought to be able to provide a detailed explanation of her thinking about the decision to shoot down US-193." In that episode, a sea-based X-Band (SBX) radar system positioned just off the coast of Alaska fed tracking data to an Aegis cruiser deployed in the Pacific Ocean. Cornell physicist George Lewis confirms that the SBX radar "definitely did" play a role in the intercept, perhaps by assisting the destroyer while its on-ship radar was not yet in position to see the stray satellite directly. Bush administration officials justified the $9.5 million shoot-down by arguing that during re-entry, elements of USA 193's hydrazine fuel tank could fall to Earth and harm humans. In recent months, prominent defense analysts have debated the wisdom of this reasoning at Jeffrey Lewis' leading arms control weblog, ArmsControlWonk.com. While analysts such as MIT's Geoffrey Forden have made technical calculations casting doubt on the Pentagon's public health rationale for shooting down USA 193, others have raised more fundamental concerns bearing directly on the Governor Palin's putative sweet spot of expertise?the strategic role of missile defense in U.S. foreign policy. Recall that in the February 2008 USA 193 episode, the Pentagon deployed a missile defense system to accomplish an anti-satellite (ASAT) mission. Is such mission creep appropriate? This is the $64,000 question for post-Cold War missile defense policy. Critics of the USA 193 shoot-down such as Jeffrey Lewis offer several reasons why it would be a strategic mistake for the U.S. to morph its nascent missile defense capability into a back-door ASAT program: * Space junk. U.S.-driven space weaponizaton could stimulate others to follow suit, yielding an arms race in outer space, with the attendant space debris jeopardizing commercial ATM and cell-phone access; * Crisis instability. Many space weapons are designed to blind adversaries, creating conditions ripe for miscalculation and hair-trigger use of preventive force; * International cooperation. Headlong pursuit of U.S. ASAT capability would likely exact steep opportunity costs by undermining international space cooperation in vital negotiations regarding traffic control and orbital slots. Center for Security Policy President Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. predicts that missile defense "will be one of the highlights of the vice presidential nominees' debate." As a public service, journalists now and during the debate might consider posing the following questions to Governor Palin: * As Governor of Alaska, if you are not authorized to actually launch missile defense interceptors, what is the nature of your command authority in this area? * What is your tactical and strategic assessment of the February 2008 shoot-down of the USA 193 satellite that involved Alaska-based missile defense assets deployed in an anti-satellite mission? Gordon R. Mitchell (gordonm at pitt.edu) is an associate professor of communication and director of the William Pitt Debating Union at the University of Pittsburgh. * * * Gordon R. Mitchell Associate Professor of Communication Director, William Pitt Debating Union University of Pittsburgh CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15260 Phone: (412) 624-8531 Fax: (412) 624-1878 http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/ From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Thu Sep 4 00:05:03 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:05:03 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Western Connecticut Message-ID: Name:Hat City Debates at Western Connecticut Starts:10/25/2008 Ends:10/26/2008 Hosted by: Western Connecticut Contact: Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox Address: 181 White Street, Danbury, CT 06810 Phone: 203-837-8565 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Thu Sep 4 00:08:14 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:08:14 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Western Connecticut Message-ID: <9A79E30CF90C468B8FF0654303FB444C@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:Hat City Debates at Western Connecticut Starts:10/25/2008 Ends:10/26/2008 Hosted by: Western Connecticut Contact: Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox Address: 181 White Street, Danbury, CT 06810 Phone: 203-837-8565 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From debate.gsu at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 08:09:15 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:09:15 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Updates & Request Message-ID: I know a lot is still in flux for many of you, but if you know what teams you are sending to our tournament, please try to enter them on www.debateresults.com as soon as possible. Please also remember to include dietary information for everyone in your group. As of yesterday, the hotel block is full. Please let me know if you are still looking for rooms, as I may be able to help you out. The folks at the hotel want me to remind you: (1) if your room is not a guaranteed double-double, it will probably be a king room. They are going to e-mail everyone affected by this issue (they tell me). (2) on check in, they will probably ask for the names of everyone in your rooms, just for contact purposes. This does not strike me as a requirement so much as a request. Thanks all. We're looking forward to seeing you in Atlanta. Dr. Joe Bellon Director of Debate Georgia State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080904/24719fba/attachment.htm From debate at ou.edu Thu Sep 4 10:08:12 2008 From: debate at ou.edu (Massey, Jackie B.) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:08:12 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] My Apologies to the Novice Debaters! Message-ID: <650DB0CBB8E8E3418E627BD179329677EF65D0B1F8@XMAIL2.sooner.net.ou.edu> Hey, So i went through the archives to see how big the novice divisions have grown since we changed the rule for novice. (11 Teams in novice already entered in all tournaments combined) I found at least 11 teams entered at this point. So i will say the rule is working. It would do exactly what i said and that was cause all novices to be forced into JV to start the year. Alright, maybe not all, but in the Midwest it looks like those poor debaters at Osh Kosh will get a lot of JV rounds if they stay in the midwest. My challenge last year was for those who voted to change the rule to field some novice teams, and I dont quiet see it yet. I know there are some schools who just have not entered their novice teams, so i realize I am jumping the gun. But I still pose the challenge, field some novice teams. Figure out how to find ways to get kids on the van rather than keep them off of the van. Those who cant debate need debate the most. I was hoping to be encouraging rather than a butthead, i think i accomplished both. Best, Massey From stannardmatt at hotmail.com Thu Sep 4 11:45:03 2008 From: stannardmatt at hotmail.com (matt stannard) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:45:03 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Shared Sacrifice: Matt's Coverage of Nazis in the U.S. Military Message-ID: ?I?m completely public about being a racist and Nazi,? he says. ?I get into fights maybe twice a month, because some n*****s will get pissed off with it.? Every time a black person enters the bar, he emits a hiss of disapproval. ?I just don?t want to be around them,? he tells me. ?I don?t want to look at them, I don?t want them near me, I don?t want to smell them. And people say, ?Oh people who are racialist you?ve never hung around black people?? b******t, I?ve showered with them, I?ve lived with them, I don?t like them? they?re f*****g savages, they?re tribal motherf*****s, they are different to us, how they think, how they conduct themselves.?Despite his vitriolic racism Fogarty wasn?t worried about not being allowed into the army. Military protocol stipulates that each new recruit with suspicious tattoos must write an explanation about the divinity and meaning of their body art. Fogarty?s are quite clearly the kind written about in ARP 600-15 ? a Nordic warrior, and a Celtic cross. But this didn?t hinder him. ?They just told me to write an explanation of each tattoo and I made up some stuff and that was that,? he says. Fogarty was enlisted and stationed in the 3rd Infantry Division based at Fort Stewart, GA, the largest Army installation east of the Mississippi River. [from "The New Nazi Army: How the U.S. Military is Allowing the Far-Right to Join its Ranks."]In addition to interviewing Maryland Green Party congressional candidate Gordon Clark, this week Shared Sacrifice features a chilling editorial by Matt Stannard on the growing phenomenon of white supremacists in the U.S. military. Is this the inevitable result of a "War on Terror" being fought without a draft? Of the U.S. invading countries that don't pose a threat to us? Of a military that has become anemic with its ideological homogeneity? Tune in, call in, and speak out. 12:00-2:00 PM mst, at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingLeft/Shared_Sacrifice _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080904/2565f566/attachment.htm From phili_d at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 12:45:54 2008 From: phili_d at yahoo.com (Philip DiPiazza) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Looking to hire judges for UNI Message-ID: <730550.2437.qm@web55408.mail.re4.yahoo.com> UTSA needs to hire judges for Iowa (4 rounds). We pay $25 per round and you'll get a check at the tournament. Let me know if you're interested. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080904/366a22f9/attachment.htm From kel1773 at msn.com Thu Sep 4 13:53:40 2008 From: kel1773 at msn.com (Kelly Young) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:53:40 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Motor City Classic Invite--October 25-27 Message-ID: Hello all: The invite is posted on Debateresults.com as well. Took awhile to work out details with the Hyatt. Kelly August 1, 2008 Dear Colleague: We invite you to join us for the annual Wayne State University Motor City Debate Tournament in Detroit, Michigan. This year?s tournament will be held on the weekend of October 25-27, 2008. New this year, we will be using the Sheraton Detroit Riverside Hotel?an amazing hotel?for the fantastic price of $ ____. We look forward once again to welcoming many of you to our campus. We promise to do our best to make your visit to Detroit a pleasant one. We also hope to offer a highly competitive and diverse field of debate competition. Our tournament is sanctioned for ADA, NDT and CEDA sweepstakes points and offers competition in three divisions: varsity, junior varsity, and novice. We will adhere to the latest ADA rules, which can be found at http://www.kings.edu/debate/rules.htm. Hybrid teams will be allowed to clear. Room and judge availability may affect the number of teams clearing. Additionally, the tournament also agrees to comply with the underlying principles of CEDA?s Statement on Sexual Harassment and Discrimination and the Statement of Ethical Principles. ***PLEASE NOTE: we follow the ADA?s elimination debate system of clearing ?no more than or less than half of the teams competing in the preliminary rounds of debate? policy, assuming we have the necessary judging and rooms. For some reason, after several years of doing this, it remains a surprise for some of our guests. The varsity and junior varsity divisions will offer eight preliminary rounds (4 on Saturday, 4 on Sunday) with all elimination rounds in these divisions on Monday. The novice division will consist of six preliminary rounds on Saturday and Sunday with two elimination rounds Sunday afternoon. Novice debaters are expected to debate both sides of the topic. Please refer to the ADA link provided above for ADA novice and junior varsity and varsity eligibility standards. We have a VERY limited number of judges for hire. If you need judges, please contact us immediately, as we cannot guarantee the availability of judges as we near the tournament weekend. Please, do not assume that we have judges available for you without first telling us that you need hired judging. We cannot accommodate 5-6 schools asking for full judges to hire. We hope that you will be able to visit us this fall. We will try to provide an enjoyable time for you in Detroit along with excellent rounds of debate. Enclosed is a description of tournament procedures, our schedule, fees and housing. If you have any questions, please call Kelly Young at (313) 577- 2953 or email kelly.young at wayne.edu or Ron Stevenson at (313) 577-2950 or email waynedebate at hotmail.com. Sincerely, Kelly Young, Director of Forensics Ron Stevenson, Director of Debate Jennifer Schraeder, Graduate Assistant Noriaki Tajima, Graduate Assistant Erika Thomas, Graduate Assistant WAYNE STATE UNIVERSITY MOTOR CITY COLLEGE DEBATE TOURNAMENT October 25-27, 2008 ENTRIES: Schools may enter as many teams in each division as they wish. Teams in all divisions will be expected to engage in switch-side debating. Maverick entries are not accepted. Wayne State will enter teams and contestants as long as those entries do not create a bye in a division. Wayne State contestants (even in hybrid situations) will not be eligible to clear. We will make every effort to avoid collapsing divisions if entries make it possible. Should a division need to be collapsed, we will consult with directors from programs affected to determine how we want to proceed with such collapse. ENTRY DEADLINES Entries should be made through the Bruschke/Debate Results web page & PROCEDURES: www.debateresults.com. Please complete and verify your entry?especially dietary information--and judges no later than 12 pm (EST) on October 22. FEES: Fees are $80.00 for each Varsity and Junior Varsity team and $70.00 for each Novice team. Entry fees will cover awards, 2 continental breakfasts, 2 lunches, room use and tournament administrative expenses. HOUSING: A block of rooms has been reserved at the luxurious Hyatt Regency Dearborn in the Fairlane Town Center, 600 Town Center Drive, Dearborn, MI 48126, phone 313-593-1234 or the toll free number is 1-800-233-1234. A very affordable flat fee of $107.00 for a double-double with 4 occupants and free internet has been arranged, provided that your reservations are made before the deadline: October 9, 2008. This is an AMAZING rate for this kind of hotel. However, given that this is higher than the rate we are normally given, we have reduced our entry fee costs to make up for the price difference. Please ask for the ?Wayne State Debate Room Block? when you make your reservations. TOPIC: This year?s NDT/CEDA debate resolution will be used in all three divisions. JUDGING: Each school must supply four rounds of judging per two-person team entered. All judges must remain for the 1st set of elimination rounds on Monday or judge one round beyond the elimination of their teams. Judges may be hired at $40 per round. IF YOU NEED HIRED JUDGING: You must make requests for hired judging as early as possible (this was a serious problem last year and we were under-covered seriously on rounds as a result and had to wildly scramble to find judging at the last minute). Send all hired judging requests to Kelly Young at motorcitytournament at gmail.com. PLEASE INFORM US EARLY OF HIRED JUDGING NEEDS! Judges should enter their judging conflicts/preclusions through the Bruschke/Debate Results web page. Also, all judges should make their judging philosophies available, either electronically on http://www.planetdebate.com/ or http://judgephilosophies.wikispaces.com/ TOURNAMENT General: The tournament will follow the American Debate PROCEDURES: Association tournament procedure rules, found at http://www.kings.edu/debate/rules.htm. Additionally, we comply with the underlying principles of CEDA?s Statement on Sexual Harassment and Discrimination and the Statement of Ethical Principles. Times: traditional 9-3-6 speech times, with 10 minutes of prep for each team. Judge Assignment: We use a limited judge preference system as entries permit. If strikes or a preference system are not possible, random judge assignment will be used. Round Pairing: Rounds 1 and 2 are random preset. If entries permit, Rounds 3 and 4 are lag-powered off of Rd. 1-2 results. Rounds 5 & 6 are lag-powered off of Rds 1-4, with Rd 7 and 8 individually powered. Elimination Rounds: As per ADA rules, we will clear ?no more than or less than half of the teams competing in the preliminary rounds of debate,? if room and judge availably allow. The only exception is in novice, which traditionally doesn?t have enough entries to justify outrounds beyond Semifinals. Should we have enough entries this year in this division, we will adjust the schedule as necessary to have additional rounds. Hybrid Teams: As allowed for by Sect. III, 6 of ADA rules, we will allow hybrid teams to clear to elimination rounds unless the team includes a student from Wayne State. Sick/Ill Debaters: Should a member of a team become unable to compete in a given debate round, the team must forfeit the round (although the round may continue for educational purposes), but the team remains eligible for awards and elimination rounds. Speaker points will be averaged for the forfeit round for the ill-competitor. Audio-Visual Equipment: We cannot provide audio-visual equipment for you. If you should need such items, please bring your own equipment or make arrangements on your own. TOURNAMENT: All preliminary rounds will be held in Manoogian Hall, located on the LOCATION: northeast corner of Warren Ave. and the John C. Lodge Service Drive. The street address is 906 W. Warren Ave, Detroit, MI 48201. A campus map can be found at: http://www.campusmap.wayne.edu/ (click on the Building Code search option at the lower right hand side of the page and click on MANO). Elimination debates on Monday will be held at the Student Center Building (on the map website, building code: SCB). PARKING: Please use parking Lot #52 on Warren Avenue across from Manoogian Hall on Saturday and Sunday. (On the online campus map, scroll down the search options on the lower right side for ?Parking? and select MIXED LOT #52). Instructions for Monday parking will be announced. QUESTIONS OR CONTACT INFO: Kelly Young Office: 313-577-2953 or 313-577-2946 (Forensics Secretary Helen) Email: Motorcitytournament at gmail.com SCHEDULE OF EVENTS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 24 8 p.m. - 11 p.m. Tournament Registration Hyatt Regency Lobby (registration table located to the Right of the hotel registration desk) If you are arriving late Friday night (after 11 p.m.) or Saturday morning, please confirm your registration by calling Kelly Young at (313) 318-6328. SATURDAY, OCTOBER 25 8:30 a.m. Continental Breakfast 9 a.m. Round I 11:30 a.m. Round II 1:00 p.m. Lunch 3 p.m. Round III 5:30 p.m. Round IV SUNDAY, OCTOBER 26 7:30 a.m. Pairings released via EDEBATE and at tournament hotel 8:00 a.m. Continental Breakfast 8:30 a.m. Round V 11:00 a.m. Round VI (Varsity and JV) 1:00 p.m. Lunch 3 p.m. Round VII (Varsity and JV) 1st Novice Elimination Rounds 4:30 p.m. Round VIII (Varsity and JV) 2nd Novice Elimination Rounds T.B.A. Teams Clearing Info released on EDEBATE. MONDAY, OCTOBER 27 7:00 a.m. Elimination Pairings Released in front of Hyatt registration desk 8:30 a.m. Varsity and JV Elimination Rounds Begin?WSU Student Center Immediately after Elim Rd 1 Awards Ceremony, Student Center Ballroom Kelly M. Young, Ph.D. Director of Forensics/ Assistant Professor Communication Department Wayne State University 585 Manoogian Hall Detroit, MI 48201 (313) 577-2953 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080904/4f1e12dd/attachment.htm From scottelliott at grandecom.net Thu Sep 4 15:03:20 2008 From: scottelliott at grandecom.net (scottelliott at grandecom.net) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:03:20 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] My Apologies to the Novice Debaters! Message-ID: <1220558600.48c03f08cf44e@webmail.grandecom.net> I agree with Jackie. I have students this year who did a whole sixty rounds of LD debate in rural Louisiana. Not TOC national champions, just good ol' "Judge, you ought to vote for this utility thing because it makes a lot of people happy." They will be in JV against teams with four years of high school policy debate and some going into their second year of college policy debate. Talk about demoralizing. On the other hand, programs could skirt the novice rules by redshirting students, having "public debates" for a year on the CEDA topic, and then claiming to still have novice eligibility. I am not sure how having non-viable novice divisions helps anyone within the debate community. I think the three final rounds and you have to move up to JV would be a better way of doing things. Scott From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Thu Sep 4 15:07:37 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:07:37 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Liberty University Message-ID: <555D205E9DC94D5E915CBB9C3DA4DBF8@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:Liberty University Debate Tournament Starts:11/7/2008 Ends:11/9/2008 Hosted by: Liberty University Contact: Michael Hall Address: 1971 University Blvd., Lynchburg, VA 24502 Phone: 434-582-2080 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Doubles Junior Varsity with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Doubles Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Doubles Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From mphall at liberty.edu Thu Sep 4 15:42:15 2008 From: mphall at liberty.edu (Hall, Michael P. (Debate)) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:42:15 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Swing Partners for King's and Clarion Message-ID: <17328617EA180D4AAEFC0852B21B61F42566097C@LUEMS01VS.University.liberty.edu> We're looking for a JV swing partner for King's and a JV or Varsity swing partner for Clarion. mph [cid:image003.jpg at 01C90EAD.2FD79B40] Michael P. Hall Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 Ph: (434) 582-2080 Fx: (434) 582-2113 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080904/2fd10d1c/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are a coach who didn't receive the newsletter please let me know so I can add you to our list. Thanks. Gordon Gordon Stables, Ph.D. Director of Debate and Forensics Annenberg School for Communication University of Southern California Office: 213 740 2759 Fax: 213 740 3913 http://usctrojandebate.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080905/65b1530e/attachment.htm From damiendebate at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 16:04:16 2008 From: damiendebate at yahoo.com (Josh Clark) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Greenhill judging needed Message-ID: <634669.45814.qm@web45305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My assistant coach was not able to make it to the Greenhill tournaments this next weekend.? I?m interested in hiring a ?qualified? ?( I realize that term had been debated) judge) for the tournament.? If you are in Texas or close, I am interested in hiring you.? I?ll pay 25 dollars a round.? For the right person, I would also be interested in hiring someone to judge a couple of rounds at the round robin and help with evidence and/or coaching for the tournament, which would increase the pay.? We can discuss those terms if the right opportunity were to arise.? We have three teams at the invitational.? Let me know if you can pick up anything from a couple of rounds or to help for both tournaments. ? Thanks, ? Josh Clark NDHS debate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080905/dfa2b15e/attachment.htm From andy.edebate at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 18:33:33 2008 From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:33:33 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking For Judges for September 13-14 Message-ID: <9368bc9b0809051633v52eb17b9qc0739fc4cb661437@mail.gmail.com> Hello, The Baltimore College Debate Season Opener is September 13th and 14th. We are in need of volunteer judges in the Baltimore Washington Area. If you are interested we will feed you and provide coffee. Contact me for more information. Thank You Andy Ellis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080905/8821982b/attachment.htm From adri.debate at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 10:45:09 2008 From: adri.debate at gmail.com (Adrienne F. Brovero) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:45:09 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for judging for Clarion and Richmond. Message-ID: <50704d760809060845r3cfa98d4oc298ae8c99d30b6e@mail.gmail.com> Hi - UMW is looking to hire a bunch of rounds for Clarion and for Richmond. We pay in cash, at the tournament. Please be in touch if you are interested in taking our money. Thanks, Adrienne -- Adrienne F. Brovero Debate Coach UMW Debate 540-654-2128 "Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive." -John F. Kennedy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080906/29f95928/attachment.htm From andy.edebate at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 12:11:52 2008 From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:11:52 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Support Baltimore Youth and Get Some Cool T-Shirts Message-ID: <9368bc9b0809061011g6bf2466bl20ccf86b05a08152@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Youth Organizing Urban Revitalization Systems, a Baltimore based youth non-profit has recently launched an online store, the store sells youth designed T-Shirts, many topic relevant books and a host of other products. Our business model uses the proceeds from different programs to fund youth employment and the rest of our community programs, including Baltimore College Debate, our local college debate program. Debate is woven into nearly every aspect of our programming and many of the students that work with us are high school and college debaters, it is our belief that civic engagement and advocacy training are an essintial component in any effective plan for youth led urban revitalization and debate is a perfect way to teach those skills. Until the 12th of September we are offering free shipping and no tax on purchases, so check it out now, get some cool stuff, and help support grassroots youth focused urban revitalization. the address of the store is www.theyoursstore.com. We also do bulk orders, so if your tournament or team needs t-shirts we can help, our prices are very good, and we can do most any color and can do many designs, if you are interested in bulk orders contact me. Ok back to preparing the basement to deal with hanna... Andy Ellis Managing Director Youth Organizing Urban Revitalization Systems 822 W. 36th Street Baltimore MD, 21211 www.bmoreyours.org . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080906/7c23d26e/attachment.htm From jane.munksgaard at gmail.com Sat Sep 6 13:34:55 2008 From: jane.munksgaard at gmail.com (Jane Munksgaard) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:34:55 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for Atlanta's Judy Butler Message-ID: Clearly I'm referencing Judy Butler the debate person, not the gender theorist at Berkeley. Anyone have current email and phone info for her? Thanks! Jane -- Jane Munksgaard Ph.D. Student and Teaching Assistant University of Georgia-Athens From andy.edebate at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 00:36:34 2008 From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:36:34 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] My Statement on Shanahan Message-ID: <9368bc9b0809062236u354f8f6bn6b964a4e56fac18b@mail.gmail.com> There is enough talk i figured i should say something. First a few things i didn't do 1) I didn't post the video 2) I didn't contact any press outlets 3) I didn't contact anyone at ft hays with the intention to either alert them or to advocate for Bill's firing. Some things I did do 1) Call for CEDA action to address the situation 2) Discuss the situation with the provost, when contacted 3) Suggest to Adam after some consternation that the video was ok to post. I don't know exactly what Adam's motivation was for posting the video, it seems from the email he sent that he thought it was a spectacle and had no idea it would leave the community. Given the number of people who expressed desire to see the video, and even more expressed the desire to see it on youtube, i can see how he would have felt that way. Once it got posted it was easy to say oh my god thats so terrible, i can't believe they posted that omg, but many of you know that you suggested it be posted and where more than happy to request it, perhaps because you wanted to see the spectacle, perhaps because you wanted to share it with your friends, perhaps because you thought it could be the communities private joke. I bet if adam had it to do again he wouldnt, but i can't speak for him. I can however speak to why i did the things i did 1)Call for CEDA action-a) It was CEDA nationals, ceda had a responsibility to do something. President Hammond seems to indicate that he expected as much as well, and that the lack of notification left him surprised and somewhat without options. b)CEDA's customers are Universities, not University Debate Teams. C) As a member of CEDA i have a right to use the processes the organization has in order to seek to remedy situations that occur within the course of organization business. I believe like president hammond that this situation required organizational action. As a side note my desire to issue an official complaint had no material impact on CEDA's actions. Perhaps someone else on the EC can shed more light on that. 2)Discuss the situation with the provost- The provost wanted to know how the video got posted, i gave him my best answer. As the conversation progressed, within the context of agreement that Bill need not lose his job, and that the team not be cut, the provost asked the video to be taken down. After consulting with several PR professionals to gauge the effect this would have on Bill's prospects, and coming to believe from those consultations that having the video down would make it easier for ft hays to help deflect the negative press, i advised adam to take the video down. I was also led to believe that legal action to get the video taken down may have been eminant. In my discussions with the provost, i was left with the conclusion that he had talked to many members of the community, and that many of those consultations had led him to believe that many well intentioned people in this communiy where telling him what they thought would save bill's job, but where not helping the provost to do his job (which from my understanding was not to get bill fired, but to help the president to understand how this could have happened, and no one at ft hays was notified) 3)Suggest to Adam that the video be posted- I believe that the video documented a news worthy event. I thought it problematic that no one had really openly discussed the events, and that many in the community thought it funny and somewhat normal. I felt differently and after showing the video to many teachers, parents, and former debaters, i recognized how aghast they where at what they saw, many expressed that it discouraged them from promoting college debate amongst their children and their students. They also suggested amazement at the fact that organization had done nothing, and that is just the way college debate works. If i had it to do over again, i think the one thing i would have done differently is to post the video myself instead of allowing Adam to post it. When i watched that video and showed it around what i came to realize was that the insularity of our community, and the desire to keep what we do entirely behind closed doors, while a great and fun part of the activity, is a serious threat to all of the benefits debate has to offer, and if CEDA as a body that claims to govern college policy debate was going to continue a culture of insularity, that sooner or later all of this was going to crumble. Indeed by observing the fallout my intial inclination seems to have borne itself out, as president hammond indicated when he was forced to confront what we think is normal but peopole outside our community think is deplorable, it is also telling that he felt that not being informed was perhaps a sign of the decline of standards in the activity. Academic freedom works best in an open environment, when those expressing that freedom do not feel that they are in a safe house. A safe house is a very different thing than a safe space, and i don't think bill was imprecise when he used this term. State colleges reasonably don't like to fund safehouses, even if they have an undying commitment to safe spaces, because no matter how much we would like to pretend that nobody cares what we do, the people of Kansas and the alumni of fort hays have clearly disproven that belief. If we are to grow and thrive we must stop hiding and pretending that we live in a consequence free zone, and begin to be open and vocal about the academic freedom we enjoy and its benefits, but beyond that we must be reasonable. We can't ask for 5 or 6 figure budget allocations with little to no accountability to universities, unless we have someone else willing to pony up the millions of dollers it takes to do what we do. If you have experienced harship or scrutiny as a result of all of this i can empathize. However, to think that we could continue to hold together the fragile construction that we called community without that scrutiny coming eventualy, we probably have speant to long in the safe house. You can hate me, you can scorn me, and you can bemoan the loss of the glory days, but we can also begin to work together to engage the difficult challeneg of explaining the benefits of the freedom we enjoy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080907/b1a0167d/attachment.htm From pc_racist at mail.com Sun Sep 7 09:07:18 2008 From: pc_racist at mail.com (PC Racist) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:07:18 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] My Statement on Shanahan Message-ID: <20080907140719.06819104F0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyWonzpX_HM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ellis" To: eDebate Subject: [eDebate] My Statement on Shanahan Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:36:34 -0400 There is enough talk i figured i should say something. First a few things i didn't do 1) I didn't post the video 2) I didn't contact any press outlets 3) I didn't contact anyone at ft hays with the intention to either alert them or to advocate for Bill's firing. Some things I did do 1) Call for CEDA action to address the situation 2) Discuss the situation with the provost, when contacted 3) Suggest to Adam after some consternation that the video was ok to post. I don't know exactly what Adam's motivation was for posting the video, it seems from the email he sent that he thought it was a spectacle and had no idea it would leave the community. Given the number of people who expressed desire to see the video, and even more expressed the desire to see it on youtube, i can see how he would have felt that way. Once it got posted it was easy to say oh my god thats so terrible, i can't believe they posted that omg, but many of you know that you suggested it be posted and where more than happy to request it, perhaps because you wanted to see the spectacle, perhaps because you wanted to share it with your friends, perhaps because you thought it could be the communities private joke. I bet if adam had it to do again he wouldnt, but i can't speak for him. I can however speak to why i did the things i did 1)Call for CEDA action-a) It was CEDA nationals, ceda had a responsibility to do something. President Hammond seems to indicate that he expected as much as well, and that the lack of notification left him surprised and somewhat without options. b)CEDA's customers are Universities, not University Debate Teams. C) As a member of CEDA i have a right to use the processes the organization has in order to seek to remedy situations that occur within the course of organization business. I believe like president hammond that this situation required organizational action. As a side note my desire to issue an official complaint had no material impact on CEDA's actions. Perhaps someone else on the EC can shed more light on that. 2)Discuss the situation with the provost- The provost wanted to know how the video got posted, i gave him my best answer. As the conversation progressed, within the context of agreement that Bill need not lose his job, and that the team not be cut, the provost asked the video to be taken down. After consulting with several PR professionals to gauge the effect this would have on Bill's prospects, and coming to believe from those consultations that having the video down would make it easier for ft hays to help deflect the negative press, i advised adam to take the video down. I was also led to believe that legal action to get the video taken down may have been eminant. In my discussions with the provost, i was left with the conclusion that he had talked to many members of the community, and that many of those consultations had led him to believe that many well intentioned people in this communiy where telling him what they thought would save bill's job, but where not helping the provost to do his job (which from my understanding was not to get bill fired, but to help the president to understand how this could have happened, and no one at ft hays was notified) 3)Suggest to Adam that the video be posted- I believe that the video documented a news worthy event. I thought it problematic that no one had really openly discussed the events, and that many in the community thought it funny and somewhat normal. I felt differently and after showing the video to many teachers, parents, and former debaters, i recognized how aghast they where at what they saw, many expressed that it discouraged them from promoting college debate amongst their children and their students. They also suggested amazement at the fact that organization had done nothing, and that is just the way college debate works. If i had it to do over again, i think the one thing i would have done differently is to post the video myself instead of allowing Adam to post it. When i watched that video and showed it around what i came to realize was that the insularity of our community, and the desire to keep what we do entirely behind closed doors, while a great and fun part of the activity, is a serious threat to all of the benefits debate has to offer, and if CEDA as a body that claims to govern college policy debate was going to continue a culture of insularity, that sooner or later all of this was going to crumble. Indeed by observing the fallout my intial inclination seems to have borne itself out, as president hammond indicated when he was forced to confront what we think is normal but peopole outside our community think is deplorable, it is also telling that he felt that not being informed was perhaps a sign of the decline of standards in the activity. Academic freedom works best in an open environment, when those expressing that freedom do not feel that they are in a safe house. A safe house is a very different thing than a safe space, and i don't think bill was imprecise when he used this term. State colleges reasonably don't like to fund safehouses, even if they have an undying commitment to safe spaces, because no matter how much we would like to pretend that nobody cares what we do, the people of Kansas and the alumni of fort hays have clearly disproven that belief. If we are to grow and thrive we must stop hiding and pretending that we live in a consequence free zone, and begin to be open and vocal about the academic freedom we enjoy and its benefits, but beyond that we must be reasonable. We can't ask for 5 or 6 figure budget allocations with little to no accountability to universities, unless we have someone else willing to pony up the millions of dollers it takes to do what we do. If you have experienced harship or scrutiny as a result of all of this i can empathize. However, to think that we could continue to hold together the fragile construction that we called community without that scrutiny coming eventualy, we probably have speant to long in the safe house. You can hate me, you can scorn me, and you can bemoan the loss of the glory days, but we can also begin to work together to engage the difficult challeneg of explaining the benefits of the freedom we enjoy. _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at www.ndtceda.com http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Assistant Coach will travel to TOC qualifying competitions beginning with the Mid-America Cup and onward, continued competitions in the second semester being conditional on first semester performance (this does cost quite a lot of money for us). The Assistant Coach will primarily be expected to provide pre-round strategy, post-round critique, on-site argument creation, and pre-tournament argument coaching. Judging will not be necessary. Expect to receive $250 per tournament for the full work before and during tournaments. The Assistant Coach must complete a payment form (W-9) for each tournament in order to be paid. We prefer applicants with experience debating at the Tournament of Champions. If you are interested, please reply with contact information and your experience as soon as possible. Benoit Barberousse http://secretpiano.tumblr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are trying to work out some kinks to make it user-friendly to post, but we did not want to withhold information from Grapevine. I would hope that by mid-week, individuals will be able to opt-in and post. If you have intell from any tournaments (either your own team or individuals that you have debated), please email me at ttate at glenbrook.k12.il.us or Bill at billbatterman at gmail.com. Please include the school name and last names of debaters. This caselist will be the site where caselists from Greenhill, St. Mark's and The 2008 Glenbrooks will be posted. If there are other tournament directors that would like to utilize this site, please let me know and we are happy to coordinate. Individuals will also be able to opt-in to post information. As always, please let me or an NDCA Board member know of any concerns or questions you may have. As always, this should also serve as a reminder to get your NDCA memberships renewed (they expire on September 30 if you have an annual membership) or become a first-time member. We view ourselves as "foot soldiers" to try to meet community needs - we can't survive as an organization without a healthy membership base! Tara Tate President, NDCA _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080907/8b782705/attachment.htm From tara_l_tate at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 12:20:29 2008 From: tara_l_tate at hotmail.com (Tara Tate) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:20:29 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] College directory? 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If I had to give you my preference between a policy, K, and performance debate I?d probably tell you I prefer policy, only because I do not have a firm grounding in all K literatures and because I may be culturally blind to some race/ethnicity/gender/etc. But, again, as far as you can make them clear in round, I can be quite easily open. Flow: I?m okay with fast AND clear delivery, and I?ll make my best effort to note your arguments as far as they?re intelligible. But it?s better to keep in mind that my primary language is not English: Maybe you want to slow down on tags and plan text, and explain more about your arguments in overviews. Evidence: In rebuttals, I don?t want to hear tag lines just reiterated but the contents of cards elaborated and some lines highlighted or even re-read with good warrants. Post-round inspection is just for confirmation of what I heard in round. Theory: I ran a lot of theory arguments, but I scarcely voted on them. If you want to run, please make your arguments thorough and specific, spotting why their _particular_ argument/act/performance needs to be voted against. Ks: I?m okay with any Ks, but I prefer the ones specific to this topic and the aff. case. If you want to run a language, K, please be careful--my native language is not English. Ts: I?m probably an neg. hack. I was a big fan of Herbeck and Katsulas? ?reasonability standard? article, and I still think that, if the aff. case is not blatantly non-topical, topicality debates are very likely to end up unproductively. So, if you want to run Ts, please show me a clear, specific in-round ground loss, and probably give more efforts to explain that than you may do to other judges. CPs: I?m okay with any types of CPs. Some of my minimal predispositions include: Topical CPs welcomed; perms must be clear; exception CPs can be easily absorbable in this topic (if you don?t want that, please make solid arguments on ?nearly all?, theoretically shift my position, and/or make a good effort on plan and 1AC CX); international fiat can be (easily, I believe) justified and/or good solvency cards that prove workability and desirability. CX: Obviously most exciting part of debate. I like questions trying to establish your own ground, discredit their arguments, and to show to me how you want to win. _Please please_ be nice, civil, and enjoy yourself. Kelly M. Young, Ph.D. Director of Forensics/ Assistant Professor Communication Department Wayne State University 585 Manoogian Hall Detroit, MI 48201 (313) 577-2953 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Berman Debate Forum Assistant Professor In Residence Greenspun College of Urban Affairs Department of Communication Studies University of Nevada, Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway Box 45052 Las Vegas, NV 89154-4502 office (702) 895-3474 fax (702) 895-4805 cell (702) 809-9670 Rebel Debate on the web: www.unlv.edu/orgs/debate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080908/27e37f60/attachment.htm From proudsavage at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 16:21:51 2008 From: proudsavage at gmail.com (stephen davis) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:21:51 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] im dumb Message-ID: <9b5963440809081421u63f5857bs3a6781ea18901f21@mail.gmail.com> nm, on the invite, thanks to Dr. Dave for pointing that out and the others who backchanneled... -- Stephen M. Davis Towson University Debate Coach proudsavage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Prior to coming to the Farm Bureau, Bob was the co-director of the Food and Agricultural Policy Research Institute (FARPI) at the University of Missouri from 1991 through 2003. He also was an associate professor in Agricultural Economics at the University of Missouri. From 1987 through 1991 Bob served as the chief economist for the US Senate Committee on Agriculture. Jacob Thompson, Ph.D. Director, Sanford I. Berman Debate Forum Assistant Professor In Residence Greenspun College of Urban Affairs Department of Communication Studies University of Nevada, Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway Box 45052 Las Vegas, NV 89154-4502 office (702) 895-3474 fax (702) 895-4805 cell (702) 809-9670 Rebel Debate on the web: www.unlv.edu/orgs/debate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marissa -- SILBER,MARISSA A Debate Coach and Lecturer Political Science PhD Candidate University of Florida _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080909/1d9ae581/attachment.htm From bamadebate at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 09:46:24 2008 From: bamadebate at yahoo.com (ed lee) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Emory looking for judges for Vandy Message-ID: <724191.58000.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com> pay in cash. e -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Berkeley-Burshteyn & Polin Emory-Miller & Schwabb Harvard-Parkinson & Rebrovik Kansas-Bricker & Johnson Michigan State-Eyzaguirre & Lanning Northwestern-Fisher & Warden USC-Jones & Lazarevik Towson-Cooper & Love Wake Forest-Gannon & Lamballe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080909/d23f1ac9/attachment.htm From Catherine.Palczewski at uni.edu Tue Sep 9 12:06:53 2008 From: Catherine.Palczewski at uni.edu (Catherine Palczewski) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:06:53 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] UNI judging Message-ID: <48C6AD2D.3050705@uni.edu> Greetings all, As tournament weekend approaches, so do the calls for hired judging. Should anyone be interested in judging at the UNI tournament, or judging over your commitment, please let me know. We always have the need to hire extra rounds. Cate From debate at ou.edu Tue Sep 9 12:31:59 2008 From: debate at ou.edu (Massey, Jackie B.) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:31:59 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Wichita Judging Message-ID: <650DB0CBB8E8E3418E627BD179329677EF65D0B229@XMAIL2.sooner.net.ou.edu> Hello, So i need some hired judging for Wichita. If you have rounds available, could you contact me. jackie debate at ou.edu From lukephill at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 13:06:29 2008 From: lukephill at gmail.com (Luke Hill) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:06:29 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky Judging Message-ID: Jumping on the train. Northwestern is looking for judging. We pay well and in cash. Please back channel. LH Luke P. Hill Program Coordinator Northwestern Debate Society 847-467-0345 (o) 678-852-9280 (c) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080909/4f68f775/attachment.htm From EMarlow at ucok.edu Tue Sep 9 14:57:40 2008 From: EMarlow at ucok.edu (EMarlow at ucok.edu) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:57:40 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Joe C. Jackson Invitation Message-ID: September 9, 2008 University of Central Oklahoma 100 University Drive Box 186 Edmond, OK 73456 September 9, 2008 Dear Colleagues On behalf of the Broncho Debate team and the College of Liberal Arts, I would like to invite you to attend this year?s edition of the Joe C. Jackson Debate Tournament at the University of Central Oklahoma in Edmond, Oklahoma. The tournament will be held on November 7-9, 2008. We are excited to have the members of our community on our campus, and will do our best to provide you with the best hospitality possible. Our goal is to make sure you have a great time and to keep you coming back every year. If you have a need, don?t hesitate to let us fill it. You will notice some changes this year that have been made to improve your enjoyment of the tournament. The changes were made on the basis of feedback received from past participants at the tournament, and we invite you to give us more feedback so we can continue to improve. We will offer a full-service tournament with breakfast on Saturday and Sunday as well as lunch (Jimmy John?s sandwiches) on Saturday. We will offer a full bevy of awards including gift bags with speaker awards and the Doug Duke Team Excellence Sweepstakes Award. This year the Jackson will feature six preliminary rounds of debate in open, junior varsity, and novice divisions. The tournament will follow the CEDA rules for eligibility to compete in each division. We will use the standard 9-3-6 time limit format with 10 minutes of cumulative preparation time. Please accept our invitation and join us for some very competitive debates and the best hospitality the Mid-West has to offer. We are looking forward to hosting you in November. Sincerely, Eric Marlow James Davis Scott Ketchum Director of Debate Assistant Director of Debate Assistant Coach Judging: We will utilize mutual preference judging which will be accessed and entered at debateresults.com. Each team must supply judging. One team will require 3 rounds of judging. One judge can cover two teams and all judges are committed for one round past the point where their teams are eliminated. All judges are committed for the octi-final elimination round. Sexual harassment: The Joe C. Jackson is a CEDA certified tournament and will adhere to the CEDA statement on sexual harassment. The statement will be enforced throughout the tournament. Hotel: The tournament hotel for this year is the Sleep Inn & Suites. The room rate is guaranteed at $89.00 The room block expires on October 24. The group block code is ?Dr. Joe C. Jackson Debate Tournament?. The hotel is located at 3608 S. Broadway Extension, Edmond, OK 73013. The phone number is 405-844-3000. If you have any problems, our contact is Joe Geis. Awards: All teams clearing to elimination rounds will receive awards and we will give an appropriate number of speaker awards for each division. This year we will continue to award the Doug Duke Team Excellence Sweepstakes Award. In order to preference excellence over proximity, we will calculate points for the best two teams in each of the three divisions. The school amassing the most wins across those three divisions will receive the award. This award is made possible by funds from the Doug Duke Endowment for Excellence. Fees: The fee for a covered team is $80. The fee for a team without judging is $200. We have very limited judging for hire and we want your judges not your money. Wherever possible we encourage you to hire your own judges. Entry: Teams can be entered online at www.debateresults.com Tournament Administration: We are happy to say that UCO alum and NFL national tabroom staff member Martin Glendenning will be directing the tabulation for the tournament this year. Schedule Friday, November 7 2-3 pm Registration Liberal Arts Lobby 3 pm Round 1 Pairings Released 4 pm Round 1 pre-set 6:30 pm Round 2 pre-set Saturday, November 8 7:30 am Round 3 pairings released at Sleep Inn and campus 8 am Breakfast on campus 9 am Round 3 11:30 Round 4 2 pm Lunch provided on campus 3:30 Round 5 6:30 Round 6 Sunday, November 9 7:30 first elim pairings released Sleep Inn and campus 9 am first elim 11:30 pm Awards Pegasus Theatre Elim rounds continue If you have questions please contact us: Eric Marlow emarlow at ucok.edu (405) 974 5564 Fax (405) 974-3283 Alternative Lodging Options: We have no rate guarantees but these are available options. Hampton Inn-Edmond 300 Meline Drive Edmond, OK 73034 (405) 844-3037 Holiday Inn Express 3840 East 2nd Edmond, OK 73034 (405) 844-3700 ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. 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The Comfort Inn will hold a block of rooms until September 20, 2008. Comfort Inn Nashville: (877) 706-8899 or http://www.comfortinnnashville.com/ Rate: $99.00 (Ask for Vanderbilt Debate Group 100749) The address is 1501 Demonbreun Street, Nashville, TN 37203 Phone: 615-255-9977 Fax: 615-242-6127 The hotel is just off I-65, Demonbreun Exit 209 Front the hotel to campus: Head southwest on Demonbreun St. At the traffic roundabout, take the 2nd exit onto Division St. Stay right onto Division (it curves a little). Turn left onto Broadway (watch out for last curve to the right or you?ll end up on the one-way section of Division). Broadway becomes 21st Ave. You can park in the lot between the Central Library and Owen, off 21st Ave. South. Airport Shuttle: Airport Express (615) 275-1180 ------------------------------------------------- Sandoz, M L Director of Debate Vanderbilt University Email: mary.l.sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu From delliott at kckcc.edu Tue Sep 9 15:15:35 2008 From: delliott at kckcc.edu (Darren Elliott) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:15:35 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] KCKCC needs to hire judging UNI and Wichita Message-ID: <48C69317020000930001A513@mymail.kckcc.edu> KCKCC needs to hire judging rounds for both UNI and Wichita State. If you are interested please email me. We will pay at the tournament and in cash. chief From oguevara at hotmail.com Tue Sep 9 16:00:56 2008 From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:00:56 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] please help find lost wildcats - 1978-1992 Message-ID: Hello - I am in the process of convincing the foundation office to assist the WSU debate team with a round of fund raising efforts. However, in order to "get in the queqe" I need to prove the viability of the project by having 100 names of alums. You'd think this would be easy given we have been debating for 87 years - but after about a month of digging I am frustrated with the rate of progress. With the exception of those names from the 50s, 60s, and 70s which can discerned with some archival research (i.e. "yearbooks" when they used to be published...), I am having trouble filling in the gaps from basically 1978-1992. If you have been involved with debate for a "long" time...could you please send me an email with any names you can remember? Even if it is only a first name, or a last name, or even a nickname...I can take that to the registrar and try to filling the gaps that way... Honestly, I'd take any leads folks could offer. The web page is: www.weberdebate.com (just click on the alums tab) Hopefully there are some folks out there who can help me get across the finish line on this project. Thank you and happy new debate season to all, OG Omar G Guevara II Director of Forensics Department of Communication College of Arts & Humanities Weber State University Ogden, Utah 801.626.6220 (Office) 801.668.6910 (Cell) Oguevara at hotmail.com Oguevara at weber.edu PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080909/69a3d729/attachment.htm From chairman.maurer at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 16:04:50 2008 From: chairman.maurer at gmail.com (Samuel Maurer) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:04:50 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Emporia entries open now Message-ID: <7fd76c680809091404k249f1c20n4f824ad2881e397a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about that, had max teams set to 0. Although it would make tabbing the tournament far easier, we've decided to allow attendance at the Pflaum in excess of zero. See you in October! Quick Note: Fairfield Block expires on the 18th, Holiday Inn on the 26th. -- Samuel A. Maurer Director of Debate Emporia State University From EricMorris at MissouriState.edu Tue Sep 9 17:29:33 2008 From: EricMorris at MissouriState.edu (Morris, Eric R) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:29:33 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] UNI judging References: <48C6AD2D.3050705@uni.edu> Message-ID: <1CCBA609217926438CBBCDC5C19F899ECE6D2B@blue.EDUBEAR.NET> MoState is also interested in hiring judging at UNI. If you have rounds to sell at Wichita, KCKCC, Emporia, or UCO, email me on those as well! Dr. Eric Morris Asst Prof of Communication & Director of Forensics Craig Hall 366A, Dept of Communication Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (O) 417-836-7636 (H) 417-865-6866 (C) 417-496-7141 AIM: ermocito, ericandtaleyna GMAIL:ermocito at gmail.com (please use for large attachments) ________________________________ From: edebate-bounces at www.ndtceda.com on behalf of Catherine Palczewski Sent: Tue 9/9/08 12:06 PM To: edebate Subject: [eDebate] UNI judging Greetings all, As tournament weekend approaches, so do the calls for hired judging. Should anyone be interested in judging at the UNI tournament, or judging over your commitment, please let me know. We always have the need to hire extra rounds. Cate _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at www.ndtceda.com http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080909/fd524557/attachment.htm From hansonjb at whitman.edu Wed Sep 10 00:13:07 2008 From: hansonjb at whitman.edu (Jim Hanson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:13:07 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] west coast ld work . . . email me Message-ID: <5F6E903C04B44DD5BC03A9B248114B6C@whitman.edu> if you want to do west coast ld work, email me. the pay is decent. the work will be due by sept. 25. jim :) hansonjb at whitman.edu From kel1773 at msn.com Wed Sep 10 10:54:57 2008 From: kel1773 at msn.com (Kelly Young) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:54:57 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] 2 Motor City Classic Updates Message-ID: It's a little early, but these are two important items: 1) For those programs traveling to Detroit via I-75N, please know that I-75 is closed for a section just south of Downtown. Asa result, you cannot take it access I-94, which is where the hotel is located. Instead, a while after entering Michigan, you will see detour signs for 275, take the detour and it will take you to I-94 near the airport. If you drive back towards Detroit from there, you will find the Dearborn exits for the hotel. 2) The group room block has been uploaded into the Hyatt system and below is the information for you to call and make reservations: A block of rooms is being held at the Hyatt Regency Dearborn for October 24-28, 2008. Reservations can be made by calling our central reservations at 800-233-1234 or online at www.dearborn.hyatt.com and entering the code: G-WAYN. The cut-off date to make reservations under the group block is October 9th. If you encounter any problems with reservations, please contact the sales office and ask for Diana Blausey or her assistant Courtney. Hope to see everyone in late October, Kelly Kelly M. Young, Ph.D. Director of Forensics/ Assistant Professor Communication Department Wayne State Universitye -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080910/126f8710/attachment.htm From smithr at wfu.edu Wed Sep 10 13:40:08 2008 From: smithr at wfu.edu (Ross Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:40:08 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Judges needed for HS tourney this weekend -- all events Message-ID: <48C81488.9060104@wfu.edu> Wake Forest Earlybird. $20.00 per round. Housing, gas, and $200.00 minimum for judges who can be there the whole time. Rounds start Fri. at 4pm, elims Sunday. Contact Ross at smithr at wfu.edu -- Ross K. Smith Director of Debate Wake Forest University 336-251-2076 (c) 336-758-5268 (o) http://groups.wfu.edu/debate/ http://www.DebateScoop.org From rwgallow at samford.edu Wed Sep 10 13:42:29 2008 From: rwgallow at samford.edu (Galloway, Ryan W.) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:42:29 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Samford Seeks Kentucky Judges Message-ID: <821AB4E5068CAB43A2539D4DD81F38E30D3A7B69@SAMFORDMAIL.ad.samford.edu> Looking for a full commitment. Will pay $25 in cash, at the tournament. Please backchannel me if interested. RG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080910/9588915c/attachment.htm From davismk13 at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 14:21:38 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:21:38 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Judge Philosophies Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809101221s5839cc39ya3d36a831926992b@mail.gmail.com> Since debates start this weekend now might be a good time to remind everyone to post judge philosophies to debateresults. There have to be a third of the judges at GSU that do not have judge philosophies. These philosophies are critical to know how new judges will evaluate arguments and how judges that many teams do not see every weekend will evaluate a debate. It only takes a few minutes to post them so there is no excuse. -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From gacggc at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 14:35:57 2008 From: gacggc at gmail.com (David Glass) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:35:57 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Judge Philosophies In-Reply-To: <9a7f6f740809101221s5839cc39ya3d36a831926992b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a7f6f740809101221s5839cc39ya3d36a831926992b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8371758b0809101235p61cb98f4keb537aabba71fb@mail.gmail.com> also please update or post to http://judgephilosophies.wikispaces.com/ On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Mike Davis wrote: > Since debates start this weekend now might be a good time to remind > everyone to post judge philosophies to debateresults. There have to be > a third of the judges at GSU that do not have judge philosophies. > These philosophies are critical to know how new judges will evaluate > arguments and how judges that many teams do not see every weekend will > evaluate a debate. It only takes a few minutes to post them so there > is no excuse. > > -- > Dr. Michael Davis > Director of Debate/Assistant Professor > James Madison University > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > From max.o.archer at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 17:07:29 2008 From: max.o.archer at gmail.com (Max Archer) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:07:29 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Director of Debate opening - Augustana College Message-ID: <1944fe1d0809101507u3b1288f4u6e5b46c2b0d7b3dd@mail.gmail.com> *Director of Debate/Faculty (Rank to be determined)* The successful applicant will direct a nationally recognized NDT program and will teach courses such as public speaking, oral advocacy, and possibly other departmental or college offerings as appropriate, such as political communication, interpersonal communication, or self-designed liberal studies courses. The director is expected to manage all aspects of a small but successful and active debate program, arrange travel and budgets, and travel with teams. The ideal candidate also would help recruit for the program, and maintain strong connections with high school programs. Debate experience is required. Ph.D. is preferred, although ABD and MA will be considered. This is a tenure-track line with rank to be determined by qualifications of successful applicant. Excellence in undergraduate teaching and an active scholarly agenda are expected for tenure. Review of applications will begin on November 17 and continue until the position is filled. Members of the Department of Communication Studies will be attending the NCA convention in San Diego and will be glad to meet with interested applicants. Questions can be directed to Dr. Ellen Hay, Chair, Department of Communication Studies. Augustana College is a selective liberal arts college of 2,500 students, most of whom live in residence halls on a wooded 115-acre campus. Rock Island, Illinois is one of the Quad-Cities of Illinois and Iowa, a diverse metropolitan area on the Mississippi River with 400,000 residents. Augustana College is an equal opportunity employer and actively encourages applications from women and persons of diverse ethnic backgrounds. We do not discriminate based on age, race, color, ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability or creed. Details about Augustana, our expectation of the faculty, the selection process, and the Quad Cities are all available at the Faculty Search website; http://www.augustanafaculty.org/. *Faculty application procedures - * You must provide the following information: - letter of application - curriculum vita - graduate transcript - statement of teaching philosophy - sample of scholarly work - writing sample - three letters of recommendation All application materials should be submitted to: Search #116-09 Debate Cmte. C/O Dr. Jeff Abernathy, Dean of the College Augustana College 639 ? 38th Street Rock Island, Illinois 61201 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080910/ceb90af8/attachment.htm From ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu Wed Sep 10 20:52:34 2008 From: ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu (Sandoz, M L) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:52:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [eDebate] Looking for GSU judging Message-ID: <1694.129.59.250.146.1221097954.squirrel@vuwebmail.vanderbilt.edu> ml.sandoz at vanderbilt.edu ------------------------------------------------- Sandoz, M L Director of Debate Vanderbilt University Email: mary.l.sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Wed Sep 10 22:25:52 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:25:52 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Harvard Message-ID: <81EF9840C6D544E28A6D680C5B453EF4@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:Harvard Intercollegiate Debate Tournament Starts:11/1/2008 Ends:11/3/2008 Hosted by: Harvard Contact: Dallas Perkins Address: 490 Adams Mail Facility, Cambridge, MA 02138 Phone: On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): False Divisions Offered: with 8 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From spowers at usc.edu Wed Sep 10 23:21:51 2008 From: spowers at usc.edu (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:21:51 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] How To Debate a Girl, and Win...According to Slate Message-ID: <39E6F3D1-57B6-435A-9D56-89E8FAE83AE0@usc.edu> http://www.slate.com/id/2199363/ The article fails to mention an important X factor (hat tip to ET): the moderator is PBS' Gwen Ifill, who I think may have the most difficult task of the three. I hope the structure of the debate allows her significant flexibility to ask follow-up questions of both candidates, as that is where Senator Biden is likely to outperform Governor Palin. Slate Magazine politics How To Debate a Girl, and Win Joe Biden can beat Sarah Palin by pretending she's a man. And that he's not Joe Biden. By Dahlia Lithwick Updated Monday, Sept. 8, 2008, at 7:00 AM ET Dear Sen. Biden: You have a problem. In less than a month, you will face off against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in a vice-presidential debate in St. Louis, and were you anyone but Joe Biden, it would likely be a rout. Last week, Palin proved herself a charming, confident, and gifted reader of speeches. But that doesn't change the fact that two years ago she was the mayor of a town of 6,000, crusading against dirty books at the local library. You are a six-term senator and chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee. World leaders routinely friend you, unbidden, on Facebook ("Wait ? Is this the Angela Merkel?"). World leaders had never heard of Gov. Palin until last Friday. That's your problem, Joe. Everyone expects you to win the debate, and to trounce her on the substance. But the rules for debating Gov. Palin are different. If you lecture her, you'll be seen as a sexist bully. If you act too smart, you'll be seen as a sexist bully. If you condescend to her, you'll be seen as a sexist bully. So this longtime parliamentary debater (and longer-time female) is going to humbly offer you a few tips on how to debate a girl. Sen. Biden, let's be clear. Great Supreme Court oral advocates will tell you that a flawless oral argument will never win a case, but a bad argument can lose one. You have a similar problem. If you engage, fight, bicker, or bluster, you can lose this debate. Think Rick Lazio. So my advice, in a nutshell: Don't lose it. Your real problem with Palin is not actually going to be her gender. Assuming you don't gaze fixedly at her breasts or ask her to fetch you a coffee, you probably won't do anything truly career wrecking on the sexism front. Your real problem is that Palin is not a serious candidate. I don't mean to suggest that she is not a serious person or even a seriously impressive first-term governor with real potential to shake up national politics. Nor do I want to imply for an instant that Palin is not a serious competitor. I just want to state here what you will be unable to say out loud at the debate: That by every obvious metric?experience, knowledge base, decades of public service, policy experience, understanding of the world?Palin is an unserious candidate for the vice presidency of the United States. And as any college debater will tell you, it's far harder to beat a clumsy opponent than a good one. (That's why you do better in your judiciary committee hearings with John Roberts than with Alberto Gonzales.) But if you even hint that Sarah Palin may be opining on the Israel-Palestinian peace process with something Piper pulled off Wikipedia that morning, you will look like a snotty professor lecturing an undergrad. And if you look like a snotty professor, you will come across as a sexist bully. There is no easy way to tell you this, Joe Biden, but the surest way for Joe Biden to lose a debate against Sarah Palin is by being Joe Biden. If you are windy, pompous, unctuous, or pushy, you will come across as patronizing and condescending?the guy who puts the "boy" into "old boys' network." If you flirt and smirk and flatter (Did you truly tell an Ohio crowd you thought Palin was "good-looking"? Did you really introduce us to your wife, Jill, by leering that she is "drop- dead gorgeous"?), you're going to sound like the creepy guy in the trench coat at the back of the porn theater. If you can manage to be your warm, amiable self, even if you're going batshit on the inside, you will do fine. And that's why the best way for you to approach Sarah Palin will be to forget that she is a woman. Tell yourself that she is a machine in 3- inch heels that has been programmed to make you look brutish and aggressive. She will attack, and you will smile. She will make jokes, and you will laugh. Do whatever you need to do?take four Percocet, deploy Zen breathing techniques?to prevent yourself from attacking this woman. And do just as much not to pay attention to her. Even if she pulls out her breast pump during commercials, keep your eyes glazed over on the middle distance. No compliments. Don't say you like her shoes. Just the facts, Joe. You will need to match Palin point for point in the blue-collar-off. If she invokes her sister's gas station, bring up your cousin's Laundromat. (Try to locate one in the coming days, if you aren't in possession of one already.) If she mentions the threshers, you need to see her the threshers and raise her the balers. If she mentions the Washington media elite that hate her, you can truthfully tell her they've been calling you a blowhard for decades. Caution: Sarah Palin is funny. And it's the kind of jeering Ann Coulter-funny that's assuredly going to irritate the heck out of you. She'll suggest you are a coward and unpatriotic and also (heh heh) that you are corrupt and dishonest. Keep your poker face. Poker face when she says you plan to raise taxes on the middle class. Poker face when she says she has plans to sell Barack Obama's next celebrity memoir on eBay and give all the money to special-needs children. Don't lunge (a la Lazio). Don't sigh (a la Gore). Don't roll your eyes (a la Where the Wild Things Are) or look longingly into the camera as if to plead "This is the best they could find for me?" Just nod sagely and refute logically. Get off a zinger if you can. ("You're nice enough Sarah" does not constitute a zinger.) But you are not going to beat her at the victim game, or the regular-folks game, or the humor game. You have to beat her on the fact that you are qualified to be a heartbeat from the presidency and that in 10 years she may be, as well. Take a page from Campbell Brown's book and ask politely (and like you really want to know the answer and not just hear yourself say the question) what she learned while leading the Alaska National Guard into that war against Saskatchewan. But play to your strengths. Know stuff. Say it briefly. Don't accuse her of not knowing things. Just know more. An insanely successful college debate friend told me recently that the way he won against women was by always behaving like they were men. My senior year in college, I debated in Glasgow, Scotland, against men who all stood up when I entered the room. One guy called me a "little flower" in the quarterfinals. Welshmen asked me to fetch coffee. What I learned from that experience was how deeply glad I was to live in a country where, for the most part, a woman can argue, tell jokes, kick ass, or get her ass kicked, just like a man. In 2008, in St. Louis, against a charming, cocky Alaska governor, that will only be truer. Thank goodness we live in a time and place in which nobody expects you to pull the chair out for your opponent or compliment her brooch, and nobody will be offended if you shake her hand firmly and pound her on national security. My best advice to you for dealing with Gov. Palin? Fight like a man. She will. Sincerely, Dahlia Lithwick Dahlia Lithwick is a Slate senior editor. Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2199363/ From jwpatt00 at email.uky.edu Thu Sep 11 11:42:10 2008 From: jwpatt00 at email.uky.edu (Patterson, J W) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:42:10 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] TOC QUALS: GRAPEVINE Message-ID: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY 2009 NATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS MAY 2, 3, 4, 2009 (SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY) GRAPEVINE(TX) Jane Boyd, Director of the first 2009 TOC invitational qualifying tournament, has certified the Grapevine qualifiers. Grapevine is a TOC qualifier in LD at the semifinals level; policy at the quarterfinals level; and both Congress and Public Forum at the finals level. LINCOLN DOUGLAS Devin Race, Westlake HS, Austin, Texas Paul Tyger, Strake Jesuit, Houston, Texas Danielle Smogard, Greenhill School, Addison, Texas Tyler Cook, Salado HS, Salado, Texas POLICY Andrew Murray and Alex Nasr, Colleyville Heritage. Colleyville, Texas Nupi Bhushan and Anna Litman, Greenhill, Addison, Texas Priya Krishna and Arnav Kejriwal, Greenhil, Addison, Texas Collin Poirot and Rett Young, Highland Park, Highland Park, Texas Weston Watts and Sierra Shear, Heritage Hall, Oklahoma City, Ok Craig Smyser and Layne Kirshon, Kinkaid School, Houston, Texas Nerraja Koneru and Jackie Wu, Westwood-Round Rock, Round Rock, Texas Kevin Clarke and Shikhar Singh, Dulles HS, Dulles, Texas CONGRESS Bryan Campanello, Southlake Carroll HS, Southlake, Texas David Ramirez, Southlake Carroll HS, Southlake, Texas Sachin Shah, Plano Sr. High, Plano, Sam Scott, Plano Sr. High, Plano, Sam Scott, Plano Sr.Plano (TX) Katie James, Northland Christian, Houston, Texas Jimmy San Marco, Winston Churchill HS, San Antonio, Texas Taz Sella, Southlake Carroll, Southlake, Texas Kalyan Venkentraj, A&M Consolidated HS, Bryan, Texas Haydn Forrest, Anderson HS, Anderson, Texas Shahid Ahmed, Plano Sr. HS, Plano, Texas PUBLIC FORUM Dillon Huff and Parker Burns, Southlake Carroll, Southlake, Texas Kelsey Hilbrich and Kaavya Gowda, The Harker School, San Jose, CA JW Patterson, TOC Founder From EricMorris at MissouriState.edu Thu Sep 11 14:03:25 2008 From: EricMorris at MissouriState.edu (Morris, Eric R) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:03:25 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Hotel Rooms Available Message-ID: <1CCBA609217926438CBBCDC5C19F899ECE6D49@blue.EDUBEAR.NET> Between Louie Petit & I, we have some extra rooms, all Kings. If you want them at the tournament rate instead of us releasing them, just write me back ASAP. Dr. Eric Morris Asst Prof of Communication & Director of Forensics Craig Hall 366A, Dept of Communication Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (O) 417-836-7636 (H) 417-865-6866 (C) 417-496-7141 AIM: ermocito, ericandtaleyna GMAIL:ermocito at gmail.com (please use for large attachments) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080911/021a5d2f/attachment.html From pem6751 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 14:22:48 2008 From: pem6751 at hotmail.com (Paul Mabrey III) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:22:48 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Hotel Rooms Available In-Reply-To: <1CCBA609217926438CBBCDC5C19F899ECE6D49@blue.EDUBEAR.NET> References: <1CCBA609217926438CBBCDC5C19F899ECE6D49@blue.EDUBEAR.NET> Message-ID: No thanks. I do not think I want a room between you and Louie. Paul Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:03:25 -0500From: EricMorris at MissouriState.eduTo: edebate at ndtceda.comSubject: [eDebate] GSU Hotel Rooms Available Between Louie Petit & I, we have some extra rooms, all Kings. If you want them at the tournament rate instead of us releasing them, just write me back ASAP. Dr. Eric Morris Asst Prof of Communication & Director of Forensics Craig Hall 366A, Dept of Communication Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (O) 417-836-7636 (H) 417-865-6866 (C) 417-496-7141 AIM: ermocito, ericandtaleyna GMAIL:ermocito at gmail.com (please use for large attachments) _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080911/dcfab01c/attachment.htm From delliott at kckcc.edu Thu Sep 11 14:34:19 2008 From: delliott at kckcc.edu (Darren Elliott) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:34:19 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Hotel Rooms Available Message-ID: <48C92C6B020000930001A7B7@mymail.kckcc.edu> I was contemplating whether or not there WAS room between Ermo and Louie. Certainly not enough for me. >>> Paul Mabrey III 09/11/08 2:22 PM >>> No thanks. I do not think I want a room between you and Louie. Paul Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:03:25 -0500From: EricMorris at MissouriState.eduTo: edebate at ndtceda.comSubject: [eDebate] GSU Hotel Rooms Available Between Louie Petit & I, we have some extra rooms, all Kings. If you want them at the tournament rate instead of us releasing them, just write me back ASAP. Dr. Eric Morris Asst Prof of Communication & Director of Forensics Craig Hall 366A, Dept of Communication Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (O) 417-836-7636 (H) 417-865-6866 (C) 417-496-7141 AIM: ermocito, ericandtaleyna GMAIL:ermocito at gmail.com (please use for large attachments) _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Thu Sep 11 16:45:46 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:45:46 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Appalachian State Message-ID: Name:69th Annual Mountain Debate Tournament Starts:11/14/2008 Ends:11/16/2008 Hosted by: Appalachian State Contact: Kris Willis Address: ASU Box 32039 Phone: 828-262-8371 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: OPEN with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 22:20:52 2008 From: malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com (M G) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:20:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Hotel Rooms Available Message-ID: MMMM, two fine, plump pieces of white bread for a malcolm sandwich......did I just say that out loud? malgor PS- I apologize if the above comment threatens the activity _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also think that deference strategies will have to overcome a high threshold against abuse claims. I am familiar with much of the generic critique literature, but not everything so please do explain. I think that examples and nuance are critical in these debates. There is always a DA to the perm, find it and weigh it against the net-benefit to the alt. Q: Can we answer crazy affirmatives with Framework in front of Vince? A: This may come as a surprise, but yes, but it will be an uphill battle. If its all you got, its all you got. Run it with a few caveats: 1) If you can engage the affirmative, do it! 2) Its OK to engage the affirmative AND read FW. I don't think that engaging the affirmative means you have good ground, it means you covering you bases. 3) THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR ME - Always contextualize your generic FW arguments to the affirmative that you are debating. If you have taken the time to talk the affirmative before the debate in order to understand what they do, and then rewrite your FW to be as specific and strategic as possible, it will show. Nothing is more off putting for someone with critical proclivities than a generic FW block. Q; What about T/Procedurals? A: I would shy away from these in front of me. If you can't tell me what positions you can't read because of their wankery then don't read T. I am not a big fan of big theory debates, if thats your thing than slow down, be clear and persuasive. Q; Will Vince vote on our DA/CP strategy? A; Going this route in front of me is like Oklahoma, its not great, but its OK. I had a panic attack when I had to think about judging a process CP. I'd prefer a good case strategy or a criticism. That being said if this is a big picture strategy and not a generic reflex then go ahead. If I didn't answer your questions, ask me. Every judge has preference. I prefer innovative arguments over generic. I prefer strategic arguments and positions. It is my belief that you work too hard as debaters for me to not work just as hard judging you. I could care less about the content of the arguments that you are reading, but I expect that the debaters will be civil toward each other, toward me and anyone else observing. As long as you have a claim and a warrant, then you have an argument and it ostensibly has a place in debate in until someone says otherwise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080912/444928ec/attachment.htm From dperkins at fas.harvard.edu Fri Sep 12 08:36:26 2008 From: dperkins at fas.harvard.edu (Dallas Perkins) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [eDebate] GSU Judging Message-ID: Harvard needs to buy just a couple of rounds of judging at Georgia State. Good pay. No, really good pay. dp From mphall at liberty.edu Fri Sep 12 11:31:46 2008 From: mphall at liberty.edu (Hall, Michael P. (Debate)) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:31:46 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to Hire Judging for GSU Message-ID: <17328617EA180D4AAEFC0852B21B61F429D2CCD2@LUEMS01VS.University.liberty.edu> Will pay cash at the tournament. [cid:image003.jpg at 01C914D3.85A27000] Michael P. Hall Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 Ph: (434) 582-2080 Fx: (434) 582-2113 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080912/67fec0f5/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080912/e4fea8eb/attachment.htm From radiohege at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 14:03:10 2008 From: radiohege at gmail.com (alan ostrovsky) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:10 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] ISU JM Message-ID: <7a2e37870809121203n5e513219o3dcee82d829130b4@mail.gmail.com> cite request, backchannel please -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080912/c9f1a328/attachment.htm From akbiotech at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 14:11:59 2008 From: akbiotech at comcast.net (Art Kyriazis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:11:59 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Gov. Palin is a formidable adversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CABEFF.5040309@comcast.net> Dear folks: I've read all the political posts with great interest. I hesitate to wade into this. but here goes. it does seem to me that the slate article, which was posted a couple of posts ago, I did visit at the website, Ms. Dahlia Lithwick, by titling it "How to Debate a Girl and Win", clearly has stumbled once again into the seemingly endless void of sexism and sexist attacks by surrogates, notably left-wing women, that have seen Sen. Obama's support among white women plummit more than twenty points during the last two weeks, seen his ten point lead over Sen. McCain evaporate and instead turn into a small but comfortable lead for McCain, and many other unfavorable polling results for the now-Dukakis like nominee, who had he gotten into a tank and ridden around as proof of his foreign policy credentials could not have done more damage to himself in the last two weeks. Of course, as yogi berra or casey stengel once said, it ain't over til it's over and there's a long way to go. No one on this webpage would have referred to Greta Stahl of Michigan State, an NDT winner this past decade, or Rebecca Tushnet, who got to NDT finals three times in the 1990s for Harvard, as "girls" you had to debate and win. To the contrary, they were formidable adversaries. And you wouldn't beat them just by closing your eyes and "pretending they were a man" as Ms. Lithwick ridiculously suggests. Gov. Palin, for all her virtues and vices, is trained in communications studies from a major university, which means she has the same training that virtually all of the debating coaches on this website offer their graduate students at their communications departments. Her oratorical, rhetorical and speaking skills, not to mention debating and public forum debate skills, are as much the result of academic training as they are practice from several years of small town politics and Alaskan state politics. In short, she's got the same training that many of our academic colleagues have. I've only watched her on television, but she seems to know her speeches /by heart/ (indicating a good memory) and she also appears to /extemporize/ rather spontaenously and well, adjusting each stump speech to the audience she is in front of. These are the mnemonic and rhetorical devices of a skilled and practiced speaker and debater, I think we'd all agree. She's far from wooden at the platform, had good control of her non-verbal gestures, and she maintains good eye contact with the audience and with the camera. She slows her cadence down at key points of the speech, and she also utilizes the bible, quoting the cadence of Ecclesiastes "a time for war, a time for peace" in key places of her speech, which is language easily picked up by evangelicals. Indeed, a large portion of her speech has meta-language which is easily recognizable, and picked up by, evangelical christians and those who attend church or read the bible frequently. Lincoln also used the bible effectively in his speeches, as did Frederick Douglass. Reagan won the 1980 election by /beating/ Jimmy Carter in the debate the week before the election was held. The memorable line, "there you go again" was a winner, and the undecideds broke heavily for Reagan the weekend before election tuesdays in 1980. That was the election which ushered in the modern Republican era. This is important to remember. The Republicans have been winning Presidential elections, Congression elections and Senate elections by /winning debates/ and by their use of /superior rhetorical and oratorical skills/. When the Democrats come up with a better speaker, as they did with President Bill Clinton, they win a couple of cycles in a row. Sen. Obama is a fine speaker, and with him, the democrats have a chance to win, and they were winning, until they started damaging themselves in the last set of news cycles. Sen. Biden is a very nice man and I see him on Amtrak all the time. He's religious, a good catholic and a good family man. But debating is not his strong point, and he's known for going on too long at times without saying anything of substance, as we know from the widely televised Robert Bork and Anita Hill Hearings. Nonetheless I like Sen. Biden, and I wish him well in this debate. Imagine you were prepping Biden. What would you do to prepare him for this debate? Do you agree with Lithwick all Sen. Biden needs to do is "close his eyes and imagine she's a man"? or does he need to moot his argument carefully at least five or six times against a female surrogate and get all his talking points down neatly? What would you do? --art kyriazis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hesitate to wade into this. but here goes. it does seem to me that the slate article, which was posted a couple of posts ago, I did visit at the website, Ms. Dahlia Lithwick, by titling it "How to Debate a Girl and Win", clearly has stumbled once again into the seemingly endless void of sexism and sexist attacks by surrogates, notably left-wing women, that have seen Sen. Obama's support among white women plummit more than twenty points during the last two weeks, seen his ten point lead over Sen. McCain evaporate and instead turn into a small but comfortable lead for McCain, and many other unfavorable polling results for the now-Dukakis like nominee, who had he gotten into a tank and ridden around as proof of his foreign policy credentials could not have done more damage to himself in the last two weeks. Of course, as yogi berra or casey stengel once said, it ain't over til it's over and there's a long way to go. No one on this webpage would have referred to Greta Stahl of Michigan State, an NDT winner this past decade, or Rebecca Tushnet, who got to NDT finals three times in the 1990s for Harvard, as "girls" you had to debate and win. To the contrary, they were formidable adversaries. And you wouldn't beat them just by closing your eyes and "pretending they were a man" as Ms. Lithwick ridiculously suggests. Gov. Palin, for all her virtues and vices, is trained in communications studies from a major university, which means she has the same training that virtually all of the debating coaches on this website offer their graduate students at their communications departments. Her oratorical, rhetorical and speaking skills, not to mention debating and public forum debate skills, are as much the result of academic training as they are practice from several years of small town politics and Alaskan state politics. In short, she's got the same training that many of our academic colleagues have. I've only watched her on television, but she seems to know her speeches /by heart/ (indicating a good memory) and she also appears to /extemporize/ rather spontaenously and well, adjusting each stump speech to the audience she is in front of. These are the mnemonic and rhetorical devices of a skilled and practiced speaker and debater, I think we'd all agree. She's far from wooden at the platform, had good control of her non-verbal gestures, and she maintains good eye contact with the audience and with the camera. She slows her cadence down at key points of the speech, and she also utilizes the bible, quoting the cadence of Ecclesiastes "a time for war, a time for peace" in key places of her speech, which is language easily picked up by evangelicals. Indeed, a large portion of her speech has meta-language which is easily recognizable, and picked up by, evangelical christians and those who attend church or read the bible frequently. Lincoln also used the bible effectively in his speeches, as did Frederick Douglass. Reagan won the 1980 election by /beating/ Jimmy Carter in the debate the week before the election was held. The memorable line, "there you go again" was a winner, and the undecideds broke heavily for Reagan the weekend before election tuesdays in 1980. That was the election which ushered in the modern Republican era. This is important to remember. The Republicans have been winning Presidential elections, Congression elections and Senate elections by /winning debates/ and by their use of /superior rhetorical and oratorical skills/. When the Democrats come up with a better speaker, as they did with President Bill Clinton, they win a couple of cycles in a row. Sen. Obama is a fine speaker, and with him, the democrats have a chance to win, and they were winning, until they started damaging themselves in the last set of news cycles. Sen. Biden is a very nice man and I see him on Amtrak all the time. He's religious, a good catholic and a good family man. But debating is not his strong point, and he's known for going on too long at times without saying anything of substance, as we know from the widely televised Robert Bork and Anita Hill Hearings. Nonetheless I like Sen. Biden, and I wish him well in this debate. Imagine you were prepping Biden. What would you do to prepare him for this debate? Do you agree with Lithwick all Sen. Biden needs to do is "close his eyes and imagine she's a man"? or does he need to moot his argument carefully at least five or six times against a female surrogate and get all his talking points down neatly? What would you do? --art kyriazis -- Email scanned by DoubleCheck http://www.nmgi.com/doublecheck/ From christopher.scott.thomas at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 15:43:39 2008 From: christopher.scott.thomas at gmail.com (Christopher Thomas) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:43:39 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Wichita State- Jarman Message-ID: <2d622bfb0809121343s12cdf7f0l492844d1c733f0c7@mail.gmail.com> hey JarmanCould you back channel me. Or if some know his email address, could you send it. Thanks CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m happy to report that it went extremely well, and despite some very minor hiccups, didn?t present a problem for anyone involved. Overall, our feedback has been positive, and we?re confident enough in our system that this will be a permanent change. The purpose of this post is two-fold: a) To let the community at large know that we?re doing this ? now that we?ve got 20+ competition rounds under our collective belt, we?re prepared to answer questions, reflect on our experiences, etc? b) To solicit feedback on any concerns people have, ideas for improvement, or to answer questions for anyone else considering making a similar switch. We?re especially interested in getting feedback on our ?proposed norms? below. For anyone keeping track of developments in this arena ? this system is NOT based on the system which Hanson has been developing which was discussed in some detail on e-debate over the last couple months. It?s a completely new system I designed to address some of the technical difficulties inherent in previous designs. Jim may continue his separate track of development as the technology needed matures ? but for now, our system is a separate entity. I?d be happy to consult with anyone who wants more of the nuts and bolts? There are a number of motivations for our switch ? but the proximate cause should be obvious. Rising travel costs (especially for checked bags) have led us to believe that the only sustainable alternative is a system which doesn?t involve lugging tubs around the country. At Gonzaga, our teams are handing out a document which explains how our system works and tries to answer some questions ? it?s reproduced below for everyone else? First, a preface ? we recognize that this is a fairly big shift for some members of the debate community (including some of us). There will doubtlessly be problems during the transition, especially early in the year, and we apologize in advance for any difficulties we cause. This was not a decision entered into without significant trepidation on our part ? but after much debate and testing, we ultimately determined that the benefits clearly outweigh the costs. With that proviso, we want to make this as easy as possible for everyone involved, and we?d love feedback on anything we can do to make it easier to debate against us. Lastly, we?d humbly appeal to the debate community at large for a collective degree of patience and willingness to try it out before passing judgment ? we really think that it?s worth all the headaches. Basic description of the system Each Whitman team will be carrying three laptops. The debaters will each use a laptop to prepare speeches with, placing all cards that will be read into one Word document. Immediately prior to speaking, the debater will place their entire upcoming speech on a USB jump drive and give it to the opposing team. If the other team has their own laptop(s), they?re welcome to use them to view the file. If not, Whitman will use their third backup laptop as a ?viewing? computer for the other teams use for the whole debate. If for some reason the other team needs a second ?viewing? computer, Whitman will let the other team use one of their other laptops during their prep time. The same will repeat for each speech. After the debate, the judge is obviously free to use either their own laptop or one of Whitman?s to look at the evidence. Proposed (Requested) Community Norms Since this is (largely) uncharted waters, we recognize that it brings with it a new set of questions, concerns, and impacts on the debating process. Many of these have already been discussed by others on e-debate over the past few months. We?ve tried to think out as many of these as possible and design our system to be as accommodating as is feasible, but there will doubtless be issues which arise that we have to deal with on an ad-hoc basis. That being said, we?d like to propose two ?community norms? as it relates to paperless debating in an effort to facilitate fairness. These function as no more than a request ? we?re willing to accept that if people disagree with us or refuse to honor these requests, that we bear the complete share of responsibility for accommodation. Nonetheless, we feel the following practices would be best for competitive equity: 1) As we?ll be providing a complete copy of all the evidence read in a speech prior to the speech starting, it would be nice if the opposing team made an effort to minimize ?looking ahead? in the word document to try and gain a competitive advantage by figuring out what we?ll read later in the speech. This is obviously only so practicable, but we feel that an honest attempt is still better than nothing. 2) We would prefer that opposing teams or judges who opt to transfer the ?Speech? document to their personal computers during the debate delete them at the conclusion of the debate. While we?d be happy to provide cites for every card read in the debate within a matter of minutes (it?s built into our system) to anyone interested in them, we think that taking evidence wholesale is the equivalent of taking a paper file. While unenforceable, we?d hope the majority of the community would agree that stealing files crosses the line, especially given the easy availability of cites. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me, or any member of the Whitman squad. Best, hardy _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/ce9a0378/attachment.htm From leaderdb8 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 00:20:36 2008 From: leaderdb8 at hotmail.com (Paul Leader) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:20:36 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a question about how you plan to handle during speech "editing." It is prompted by a debate I judged between Denver and Wyoming two years ago, where one team was operating "paperless." A file or speech was provided to the other team by jump drive. I think the issue was with a 1ac, but don't remember precisely. In CX and later speeches a minor issue developed as to what was actually read. It appeared that none of the debaters really had a written detailed flow sufficient to clarify the issue among themselves. It was an elim, and I could tell from my flow, as I am sure the other judges could as well. What thoughts-plans have you made for such circumstances ? Just curious...also, thoughts on whether this almost would invite judge intervention to clarify (which we chose not to do) to avoid creating a sort of false issue? If the debater represents the jumped speech as "accurate" which was certainly implicitly the case in this CX, is that an issue? A second possible question-issue, what if a team makes the tech an issue...i.e. (we are more comfortable-efficient reviewing your evidence on paper-so this is unfair; or we can't afford your level of tech, so similarly unfair). I am just curious on these questions-issues, as the tech trend is not going to go away, and may be inevitable--and curious as to what sorts of new norms, standards, and issues this raised. Good Luck Paul Leader From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com To: edebate at ndtceda.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:58:56 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless All, This evening at Gonzaga, seven Whitman teams completed their first day of completely paperless debating. As far as I know, this is the first experiment with paperless debating on such a large scale ? I?m happy to report that it went extremely well, and despite some very minor hiccups, didn?t present a problem for anyone involved. Overall, our feedback has been positive, and we?re confident enough in our system that this will be a permanent change. The purpose of this post is two-fold: a) To let the community at large know that we?re doing this ? now that we?ve got 20+ competition rounds under our collective belt, we?re prepared to answer questions, reflect on our experiences, etc? b) To solicit feedback on any concerns people have, ideas for improvement, or to answer questions for anyone else considering making a similar switch. We?re especially interested in getting feedback on our ?proposed norms? below. For anyone keeping track of developments in this arena ? this system is NOT based on the system which Hanson has been developing which was discussed in some detail on e-debate over the last couple months. It?s a completely new system I designed to address some of the technical difficulties inherent in previous designs. Jim may continue his separate track of development as the technology needed matures ? but for now, our system is a separate entity. I?d be happy to consult with anyone who wants more of the nuts and bolts? There are a number of motivations for our switch ? but the proximate cause should be obvious. Rising travel costs (especially for checked bags) have led us to believe that the only sustainable alternative is a system which doesn?t involve lugging tubs around the country. At Gonzaga, our teams are handing out a document which explains how our system works and tries to answer some questions ? it?s reproduced below for everyone else? First, a preface ? we recognize that this is a fairly big shift for some members of the debate community (including some of us). There will doubtlessly be problems during the transition, especially early in the year, and we apologize in advance for any difficulties we cause. This was not a decision entered into without significant trepidation on our part ? but after much debate and testing, we ultimately determined that the benefits clearly outweigh the costs. With that proviso, we want to make this as easy as possible for everyone involved, and we?d love feedback on anything we can do to make it easier to debate against us. Lastly, we?d humbly appeal to the debate community at large for a collective degree of patience and willingness to try it out before passing judgment ? we really think that it?s worth all the headaches. Basic description of the system Each Whitman team will be carrying three laptops. The debaters will each use a laptop to prepare speeches with, placing all cards that will be read into one Word document. Immediately prior to speaking, the debater will place their entire upcoming speech on a USB jump drive and give it to the opposing team. If the other team has their own laptop(s), they?re welcome to use them to view the file. If not, Whitman will use their third backup laptop as a ?viewing? computer for the other teams use for the whole debate. If for some reason the other team needs a second ?viewing? computer, Whitman will let the other team use one of their other laptops during their prep time. The same will repeat for each speech. After the debate, the judge is obviously free to use either their own laptop or one of Whitman?s to look at the evidence. Proposed (Requested) Community Norms Since this is (largely) uncharted waters, we recognize that it brings with it a new set of questions, concerns, and impacts on the debating process. Many of these have already been discussed by others on e-debate over the past few months. We?ve tried to think out as many of these as possible and design our system to be as accommodating as is feasible, but there will doubtless be issues which arise that we have to deal with on an ad-hoc basis. That being said, we?d like to propose two ?community norms? as it relates to paperless debating in an effort to facilitate fairness. These function as no more than a request ? we?re willing to accept that if people disagree with us or refuse to honor these requests, that we bear the complete share of responsibility for accommodation. Nonetheless, we feel the following practices would be best for competitive equity: 1) As we?ll be providing a complete copy of all the evidence read in a speech prior to the speech starting, it would be nice if the opposing team made an effort to minimize ?looking ahead? in the word document to try and gain a competitive advantage by figuring out what we?ll read later in the speech. This is obviously only so practicable, but we feel that an honest attempt is still better than nothing. 2) We would prefer that opposing teams or judges who opt to transfer the ?Speech? document to their personal computers during the debate delete them at the conclusion of the debate. While we?d be happy to provide cites for every card read in the debate within a matter of minutes (it?s built into our system) to anyone interested in them, we think that taking evidence wholesale is the equivalent of taking a paper file. While unenforceable, we?d hope the majority of the community would agree that stealing files crosses the line, especially given the easy availability of cites. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me, or any member of the Whitman squad. Best, hardy Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080913/f3766950/attachment.htm From stefan.bauschard at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 00:29:05 2008 From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com (Stefan Bauschard) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:29:05 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524839830809132229t7eeda269k568d356a29464cf0@mail.gmail.com> Just interested in discussing this part: Would it be so bad if we all agreed (I'm not taking about taking it against the opponent's will) that debaters would allow those parties requesting the specific cards to just be given the whole card as available? I judged two HS debates this weekend where the teams just gave me their entire 1AC on a jump drive when I requested an outline. There is clearly some norm for this at least somewhere in debate. I was somewhat surprised how willing they were to give the whole 1AC, but in end I probably could have reconstructed the entire thing in less than 10 minutes since all of the cards were from online sources anyhow. This just saves silly rote work and would probably make debates even better -- a) you could spend more time working on arguments than doing this, b) you could read through the context of cards before debates -- it would prevent people from winning with crappy cards just because you don't have time to really evaluate them in the real time pressure of the debate -- Also, you could quickly increase the part of the card that was in size 2 font so you could see what the rest of the article was talking about... A2: Common objections 1 -- It would cause free riding -- a) No, you can't take someone other team's DA cards, read them, and win a debate. If you can, you can probably beat just most teams anyhow, b) you can do this now -- it just takes an extra 10 minutes to get the rest of the text of the cards from online sources 2 -- It would mean people would have to cut better cards because cards could would get "called out" faster -- yes, I agree 3 -- If you read a card that someone else cut, you are responsible for it and you don't know it isn't cut out of context -- true, if you were to just read it in another debate you would assume the risk of it (that's your choice) and debaters read tons of cards they don't cut themselves now 4 -- People would stop researching. C'mon, you'd still want to go back and read your opponent's articles to better understand the arguments. There is no research shortage in debate -- perhaps a time/information management overload, but not a research shortage. 5 -- It would get out of control -- "Please jump me every card you read in the debate" -- This is a serious concern, especially since most teams wouldn't be able to do it quickly. The fact that Whitman could do so could put them at a relative disadvantage. I suppose this may seem somewhat radical, but handing over the cite and the first few and last words of the card just so someone can go insert the rest of the text they want in less than 1 minute per card seems at least worth questioning. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/ecbdd593/attachment.htm From spoon_22 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 01:04:11 2008 From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com (Aaron Hardy) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:04:11 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, Good question -- in practice, we've found that the most frequent situation where this arises is when the speaker "marks" a card by putting in a few hard returns where they stopped, but the "jumped" version doesn't have the marks. Then, there are obviously situations like the one you describe where more cards have been jumped than were actually read in the debate. A few thoughts: 1) My students have all been instructed that if there are changes from what was given before the speech, they should re-save their file with the marks and give the other team the more accurate version. If the edits are very minor (like 1 or 2 marked cards), they can do it manually on the "viewing" laptop for the other team. The pre-speech jumped document isn't represented as "accurate" per se -- it's more akin to handing a copy of all the blocks on paper you'll likely read to the other team to facilitate sharing, rather than an attempt to be a transcription. Overall, we've found in practice that problems associated with this aren't very frequent or large in magnitude. 2) One thing that occurs to me is that this problem is not really distinct from debating with paper -- it's fairly frequent that a 2AC might only read the top card on a page but give the other team a whole block, necessitating clarification on what was actually read. If the 2AC is unable to remember, it seems unlikely they'd remember in either a paperless or paper system. On the converse, paperless may actually make this type of situation less likely -- the feedback I've been receiving from our opponents is that they find it much easier to "follow along" with the speech document while flowing, ensuring a much more accurate flow than the usual circumstance of needing to run up to the podium several times a speech and sort out the chaotic mess of thrown cards. 3) To directly address your "judge intervention" question -- I personally don't have much problem with offering clarifications to the debaters on what I have on my flow. I'm called upon to do so fairly frequently...and feel that it facilitates better debating for a pretty minimal amount of "intervention" since it benefits both teams equally. In situations where judges prefer not to do so, I'd say that the offending team should probably need to presume that the card wasn't read at all if it's impossible to sort out amongst the debaters. 4) "Tech is an issue" -- my students have all been instructed to be as polite and accomodating as possible with a team uncomfortable with the situation -- although we obviously can't provide printed copies. I think we've reached a point where we're comfortable with defending that the advantages to our approach outweigh this discomfort -- and that anyone who tries it out with an open mind has been a "convert." As for the elitism/equity concerns, I think it's fairly simple to defend our alternative as being a massive cost savings, and hence substantially more "open" than the current system. We'll save thousands of dollars this year because of the switch -- any team on a budget would be far better off under our system, despite increased tech needs. In a more direct way, we've taken great pains to make this accessible to teams with zero tech infrastructure -- we're carrying a ton of extra laptops and other tech to help other teams out when needed. So far, we've had no complaints. Hopefully this hopes clarify some of your questions. Please feel free to continue providing feedback -- it's much appreciated. hardy From: leaderdb8 at hotmail.com To: spoon_22 at hotmail.com; edebate at ndtceda.com Subject: RE: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:20:36 -0600 I have a question about how you plan to handle during speech "editing." It is prompted by a debate I judged between Denver and Wyoming two years ago, where one team was operating "paperless." A file or speech was provided to the other team by jump drive. I think the issue was with a 1ac, but don't remember precisely. In CX and later speeches a minor issue developed as to what was actually read. It appeared that none of the debaters really had a written detailed flow sufficient to clarify the issue among themselves. It was an elim, and I could tell from my flow, as I am sure the other judges could as well. What thoughts-plans have you made for such circumstances ? Just curious...also, thoughts on whether this almost would invite judge intervention to clarify (which we chose not to do) to avoid creating a sort of false issue? If the debater represents the jumped speech as "accurate" which was certainly implicitly the case in this CX, is that an issue? A second possible question-issue, what if a team makes the tech an issue...i.e. (we are more comfortable-efficient reviewing your evidence on paper-so this is unfair; or we can't afford your level of tech, so similarly unfair). I am just curious on these questions-issues, as the tech trend is not going to go away, and may be inevitable--and curious as to what sorts of new norms, standards, and issues this raised. Good Luck Paul Leader From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com To: edebate at ndtceda.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:58:56 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless All, This evening at Gonzaga, seven Whitman teams completed their first day of completely paperless debating. As far as I know, this is the first experiment with paperless debating on such a large scale ? I?m happy to report that it went extremely well, and despite some very minor hiccups, didn?t present a problem for anyone involved. Overall, our feedback has been positive, and we?re confident enough in our system that this will be a permanent change. The purpose of this post is two-fold: a) To let the community at large know that we?re doing this ? now that we?ve got 20+ competition rounds under our collective belt, we?re prepared to answer questions, reflect on our experiences, etc? b) To solicit feedback on any concerns people have, ideas for improvement, or to answer questions for anyone else considering making a similar switch. We?re especially interested in getting feedback on our ?proposed norms? below. For anyone keeping track of developments in this arena ? this system is NOT based on the system which Hanson has been developing which was discussed in some detail on e-debate over the last couple months. It?s a completely new system I designed to address some of the technical difficulties inherent in previous designs. Jim may continue his separate track of development as the technology needed matures ? but for now, our system is a separate entity. I?d be happy to consult with anyone who wants more of the nuts and bolts? There are a number of motivations for our switch ? but the proximate cause should be obvious. Rising travel costs (especially for checked bags) have led us to believe that the only sustainable alternative is a system which doesn?t involve lugging tubs around the country. At Gonzaga, our teams are handing out a document which explains how our system works and tries to answer some questions ? it?s reproduced below for everyone else? First, a preface ? we recognize that this is a fairly big shift for some members of the debate community (including some of us). There will doubtlessly be problems during the transition, especially early in the year, and we apologize in advance for any difficulties we cause. This was not a decision entered into without significant trepidation on our part ? but after much debate and testing, we ultimately determined that the benefits clearly outweigh the costs. With that proviso, we want to make this as easy as possible for everyone involved, and we?d love feedback on anything we can do to make it easier to debate against us. Lastly, we?d humbly appeal to the debate community at large for a collective degree of patience and willingness to try it out before passing judgment ? we really think that it?s worth all the headaches. Basic description of the system Each Whitman team will be carrying three laptops. The debaters will each use a laptop to prepare speeches with, placing all cards that will be read into one Word document. Immediately prior to speaking, the debater will place their entire upcoming speech on a USB jump drive and give it to the opposing team. If the other team has their own laptop(s), they?re welcome to use them to view the file. If not, Whitman will use their third backup laptop as a ?viewing? computer for the other teams use for the whole debate. If for some reason the other team needs a second ?viewing? computer, Whitman will let the other team use one of their other laptops during their prep time. The same will repeat for each speech. After the debate, the judge is obviously free to use either their own laptop or one of Whitman?s to look at the evidence. Proposed (Requested) Community Norms Since this is (largely) uncharted waters, we recognize that it brings with it a new set of questions, concerns, and impacts on the debating process. Many of these have already been discussed by others on e-debate over the past few months. We?ve tried to think out as many of these as possible and design our system to be as accommodating as is feasible, but there will doubtless be issues which arise that we have to deal with on an ad-hoc basis. That being said, we?d like to propose two ?community norms? as it relates to paperless debating in an effort to facilitate fairness. These function as no more than a request ? we?re willing to accept that if people disagree with us or refuse to honor these requests, that we bear the complete share of responsibility for accommodation. Nonetheless, we feel the following practices would be best for competitive equity: 1) As we?ll be providing a complete copy of all the evidence read in a speech prior to the speech starting, it would be nice if the opposing team made an effort to minimize ?looking ahead? in the word document to try and gain a competitive advantage by figuring out what we?ll read later in the speech. This is obviously only so practicable, but we feel that an honest attempt is still better than nothing. 2) We would prefer that opposing teams or judges who opt to transfer the ?Speech? document to their personal computers during the debate delete them at the conclusion of the debate. While we?d be happy to provide cites for every card read in the debate within a matter of minutes (it?s built into our system) to anyone interested in them, we think that taking evidence wholesale is the equivalent of taking a paper file. While unenforceable, we?d hope the majority of the community would agree that stealing files crosses the line, especially given the easy availability of cites. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me, or any member of the Whitman squad. Best, hardy Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/0d42f884/attachment.htm From spoon_22 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 01:04:52 2008 From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com (Aaron Hardy) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:04:52 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless In-Reply-To: <524839830809132229t7eeda269k568d356a29464cf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <524839830809132229t7eeda269k568d356a29464cf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Stefan, I largely agree -- personally, I don't think it would be so bad if we shared evidence more openly. The primary resistance I have to it is that until it's a community wide norm, it would probably disadvantage us significantly without reciprocation. I think your responses to the common concerns are fair indicts -- I think the only place I'd differ is that I'm a bit more concerned about the free riding problem. I think a certain percentage of the community increasingly views "research" as "stealing cites." Even since the advent of opencaselist, a lot of people don't really bother to do original research when there's so many cites to gather. This extends down to the high school level -- when I assign my lab kids something, their first impulse is to get on cross-x and have a friend at an earlier camp send them their file. Everybody is looking for a shortcut -- I do fear a world in which the easy availability of a first-rounds 2NC blocks for their stock critique incentivizes laziness to an even larger degree than the status quo. The extra ten minutes is obviously not a deterrent to you or I -- but it actually does serve some purpose for way too high a percentage of my students. I still think it's a discussion worth opening -- and it might be wave of the future whether I like it or not. hardy Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:29:05 -0500 From: stefan.bauschard at gmail.com To: spoon_22 at hotmail.com; edebate at ndtceda.com Subject: Re: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless Just interested in discussing this part: Would it be so bad if we all agreed (I'm not taking about taking it against the opponent's will) that debaters would allow those parties requesting the specific cards to just be given the whole card as available? I judged two HS debates this weekend where the teams just gave me their entire 1AC on a jump drive when I requested an outline. There is clearly some norm for this at least somewhere in debate. I was somewhat surprised how willing they were to give the whole 1AC, but in end I probably could have reconstructed the entire thing in less than 10 minutes since all of the cards were from online sources anyhow. This just saves silly rote work and would probably make debates even better -- a) you could spend more time working on arguments than doing this, b) you could read through the context of cards before debates -- it would prevent people from winning with crappy cards just because you don't have time to really evaluate them in the real time pressure of the debate -- Also, you could quickly increase the part of the card that was in size 2 font so you could see what the rest of the article was talking about... A2: Common objections 1 -- It would cause free riding -- a) No, you can't take someone other team's DA cards, read them, and win a debate. If you can, you can probably beat just most teams anyhow, b) you can do this now -- it just takes an extra 10 minutes to get the rest of the text of the cards from online sources 2 -- It would mean people would have to cut better cards because cards could would get "called out" faster -- yes, I agree 3 -- If you read a card that someone else cut, you are responsible for it and you don't know it isn't cut out of context -- true, if you were to just read it in another debate you would assume the risk of it (that's your choice) and debaters read tons of cards they don't cut themselves now 4 -- People would stop researching. C'mon, you'd still want to go back and read your opponent's articles to better understand the arguments. There is no research shortage in debate -- perhaps a time/information management overload, but not a research shortage. 5 -- It would get out of control -- "Please jump me every card you read in the debate" -- This is a serious concern, especially since most teams wouldn't be able to do it quickly. The fact that Whitman could do so could put them at a relative disadvantage. I suppose this may seem somewhat radical, but handing over the cite and the first few and last words of the card just so someone can go insert the rest of the text they want in less than 1 minute per card seems at least worth questioning. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/94039438/attachment.htm From leaderdb8 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 11:46:13 2008 From: leaderdb8 at hotmail.com (Paul Leader) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:46:13 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ThanX for the well-thought out comments. I particularly applaud Whitman for the effort and expense of having extra laptops available for the opposition. A couple of thoughts on your comments; 2) I completely agree that it can be equally an issue with paper. 3) Not so sure I agree here. Flowing should be one skill of a good debater--and mastering the skill will produce its own reward (extra wins). This is not really a tech-only issue. I have been irritated in recent years as it has become more evident that many debaters no longer even bother to flow...back in the "stone ages" of my era, a quality team would make sure that AT LEAST one of the two team members had a good flow--and franklly it was better if both did, as while pulling response shells, etc., you are bound to miss something. I am not so sure we should reward debaters by filling in the gaps in their flows for them. Also, many of us judges have encountered a situation where debaters became very confrontational if they had even a whiff or hint that we might have missed something on our flow...shouldn't they meet the same high standard ? As I said though, not really an issue that is unique to tech. 4) Think you have some well reasoned responses on equity issues...and cost savings is certainly appealing. One other thought, I wonder, overall, whether more paper--or more computers--would prove to be--again overall-- more "green" friendly. Again, thanx for your thoughts Paul From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com To: edebate at ndtceda.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:04:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless Paul, Good question -- in practice, we've found that the most frequent situation where this arises is when the speaker "marks" a card by putting in a few hard returns where they stopped, but the "jumped" version doesn't have the marks. Then, there are obviously situations like the one you describe where more cards have been jumped than were actually read in the debate. A few thoughts: 1) My students have all been instructed that if there are changes from what was given before the speech, they should re-save their file with the marks and give the other team the more accurate version. If the edits are very minor (like 1 or 2 marked cards), they can do it manually on the "viewing" laptop for the other team. The pre-speech jumped document isn't represented as "accurate" per se -- it's more akin to handing a copy of all the blocks on paper you'll likely read to the other team to facilitate sharing, rather than an attempt to be a transcription. Overall, we've found in practice that problems associated with this aren't very frequent or large in magnitude. 2) One thing that occurs to me is that this problem is not really distinct from debating with paper -- it's fairly frequent that a 2AC might only read the top card on a page but give the other team a whole block, necessitating clarification on what was actually read. If the 2AC is unable to remember, it seems unlikely they'd remember in either a paperless or paper system. On the converse, paperless may actually make this type of situation less likely -- the feedback I've been receiving from our opponents is that they find it much easier to "follow along" with the speech document while flowing, ensuring a much more accurate flow than the usual circumstance of needing to run up to the podium several times a speech and sort out the chaotic mess of thrown cards. 3) To directly address your "judge intervention" question -- I personally don't have much problem with offering clarifications to the debaters on what I have on my flow. I'm called upon to do so fairly frequently...and feel that it facilitates better debating for a pretty minimal amount of "intervention" since it benefits both teams equally. In situations where judges prefer not to do so, I'd say that the offending team should probably need to presume that the card wasn't read at all if it's impossible to sort out amongst the debaters. 4) "Tech is an issue" -- my students have all been instructed to be as polite and accomodating as possible with a team uncomfortable with the situation -- although we obviously can't provide printed copies. I think we've reached a point where we're comfortable with defending that the advantages to our approach outweigh this discomfort -- and that anyone who tries it out with an open mind has been a "convert." As for the elitism/equity concerns, I think it's fairly simple to defend our alternative as being a massive cost savings, and hence substantially more "open" than the current system. We'll save thousands of dollars this year because of the switch -- any team on a budget would be far better off under our system, despite increased tech needs. In a more direct way, we've taken great pains to make this accessible to teams with zero tech infrastructure -- we're carrying a ton of extra laptops and other tech to help other teams out when needed. So far, we've had no complaints. Hopefully this hopes clarify some of your questions. Please feel free to continue providing feedback -- it's much appreciated. hardy From: leaderdb8 at hotmail.com To: spoon_22 at hotmail.com; edebate at ndtceda.com Subject: RE: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:20:36 -0600 I have a question about how you plan to handle during speech "editing." It is prompted by a debate I judged between Denver and Wyoming two years ago, where one team was operating "paperless." A file or speech was provided to the other team by jump drive. I think the issue was with a 1ac, but don't remember precisely. In CX and later speeches a minor issue developed as to what was actually read. It appeared that none of the debaters really had a written detailed flow sufficient to clarify the issue among themselves. It was an elim, and I could tell from my flow, as I am sure the other judges could as well. What thoughts-plans have you made for such circumstances ? Just curious...also, thoughts on whether this almost would invite judge intervention to clarify (which we chose not to do) to avoid creating a sort of false issue? If the debater represents the jumped speech as "accurate" which was certainly implicitly the case in this CX, is that an issue? A second possible question-issue, what if a team makes the tech an issue...i.e. (we are more comfortable-efficient reviewing your evidence on paper-so this is unfair; or we can't afford your level of tech, so similarly unfair). I am just curious on these questions-issues, as the tech trend is not going to go away, and may be inevitable--and curious as to what sorts of new norms, standards, and issues this raised. Good Luck Paul Leader From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com To: edebate at ndtceda.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:58:56 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless All, This evening at Gonzaga, seven Whitman teams completed their first day of completely paperless debating. As far as I know, this is the first experiment with paperless debating on such a large scale ? I?m happy to report that it went extremely well, and despite some very minor hiccups, didn?t present a problem for anyone involved. Overall, our feedback has been positive, and we?re confident enough in our system that this will be a permanent change. The purpose of this post is two-fold: a) To let the community at large know that we?re doing this ? now that we?ve got 20+ competition rounds under our collective belt, we?re prepared to answer questions, reflect on our experiences, etc? b) To solicit feedback on any concerns people have, ideas for improvement, or to answer questions for anyone else considering making a similar switch. We?re especially interested in getting feedback on our ?proposed norms? below. For anyone keeping track of developments in this arena ? this system is NOT based on the system which Hanson has been developing which was discussed in some detail on e-debate over the last couple months. It?s a completely new system I designed to address some of the technical difficulties inherent in previous designs. Jim may continue his separate track of development as the technology needed matures ? but for now, our system is a separate entity. I?d be happy to consult with anyone who wants more of the nuts and bolts? There are a number of motivations for our switch ? but the proximate cause should be obvious. Rising travel costs (especially for checked bags) have led us to believe that the only sustainable alternative is a system which doesn?t involve lugging tubs around the country. At Gonzaga, our teams are handing out a document which explains how our system works and tries to answer some questions ? it?s reproduced below for everyone else? First, a preface ? we recognize that this is a fairly big shift for some members of the debate community (including some of us). There will doubtlessly be problems during the transition, especially early in the year, and we apologize in advance for any difficulties we cause. This was not a decision entered into without significant trepidation on our part ? but after much debate and testing, we ultimately determined that the benefits clearly outweigh the costs. With that proviso, we want to make this as easy as possible for everyone involved, and we?d love feedback on anything we can do to make it easier to debate against us. Lastly, we?d humbly appeal to the debate community at large for a collective degree of patience and willingness to try it out before passing judgment ? we really think that it?s worth all the headaches. Basic description of the system Each Whitman team will be carrying three laptops. The debaters will each use a laptop to prepare speeches with, placing all cards that will be read into one Word document. Immediately prior to speaking, the debater will place their entire upcoming speech on a USB jump drive and give it to the opposing team. If the other team has their own laptop(s), they?re welcome to use them to view the file. If not, Whitman will use their third backup laptop as a ?viewing? computer for the other teams use for the whole debate. If for some reason the other team needs a second ?viewing? computer, Whitman will let the other team use one of their other laptops during their prep time. The same will repeat for each speech. After the debate, the judge is obviously free to use either their own laptop or one of Whitman?s to look at the evidence. Proposed (Requested) Community Norms Since this is (largely) uncharted waters, we recognize that it brings with it a new set of questions, concerns, and impacts on the debating process. Many of these have already been discussed by others on e-debate over the past few months. We?ve tried to think out as many of these as possible and design our system to be as accommodating as is feasible, but there will doubtless be issues which arise that we have to deal with on an ad-hoc basis. That being said, we?d like to propose two ?community norms? as it relates to paperless debating in an effort to facilitate fairness. These function as no more than a request ? we?re willing to accept that if people disagree with us or refuse to honor these requests, that we bear the complete share of responsibility for accommodation. Nonetheless, we feel the following practices would be best for competitive equity: 1) As we?ll be providing a complete copy of all the evidence read in a speech prior to the speech starting, it would be nice if the opposing team made an effort to minimize ?looking ahead? in the word document to try and gain a competitive advantage by figuring out what we?ll read later in the speech. This is obviously only so practicable, but we feel that an honest attempt is still better than nothing. 2) We would prefer that opposing teams or judges who opt to transfer the ?Speech? document to their personal computers during the debate delete them at the conclusion of the debate. While we?d be happy to provide cites for every card read in the debate within a matter of minutes (it?s built into our system) to anyone interested in them, we think that taking evidence wholesale is the equivalent of taking a paper file. While unenforceable, we?d hope the majority of the community would agree that stealing files crosses the line, especially given the easy availability of cites. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me, or any member of the Whitman squad. Best, hardy Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. See Now _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/a7320349/attachment.htm From jbhdb8 at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 12:51:54 2008 From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:51:54 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] RIP David Foster Wallace Message-ID: Thats all, great writer, will be missed, at least by me Josh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/882a2956/attachment.htm From sethellsworth at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 13:36:17 2008 From: sethellsworth at gmail.com (Seth T. Ellsworth) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:36:17 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] RIP David Foster Wallace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <412d08cb0809141136n73f02909nd8abcd501f060ac5@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Seth.Ellsworth at startek.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:33:19 -0600 Subject: RE: RIP David Foster Wallace To: sethellsworth at gmail.com "It is unimaginably hard to do this, to stay conscious and alive in the adult world day in and day out." Thank You, SETH ELLSWORTH (307) 721-1318 Comcast-LW LNP Supervisor seth.ellsworth at startek.com DISCLAIMER:This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of StarTek, Inc. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify StarTek, Inc. by telephone at (303)361-6000. From logan.martin at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 15:26:37 2008 From: logan.martin at gmail.com (Logan Martin) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:26:37 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless Message-ID: Officially, I speak only on my own behalf, but I am sure that I will be joined by the other members of the University of Denver in congratulating Aaron Hardy and the Whitman debate team for their brave foray into the uncharted territory that is paperless debate. It is heartening to see such a creative, unprecedented approach to addressing the rising costs of travel, which pose unique challenges to teams like Whitman and others, who are finding it more and more difficult to take seven teams to national-level competitions. It is my hope that the community will adopt Hardy's proposed norms with enthusiasm and defer to him as the authority on all issues related to this extraordinary new model of competition. Incidentally, I would like to congratulate Mr. Hardy for his other recent innovations, such as the disad, the internet, and pants. Sincerely, Logan Martin References: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2008-July/075405.html http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2006-April/066490.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpxtKcLSFWw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagarism -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/e736f9ac/attachment.htm From glennprin3 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 19:20:18 2008 From: glennprin3 at yahoo.com (Glenn Prince) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Silence Message-ID: <733084.93132.qm@web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I know 5-7 years ago there was a silence argument ran. Does anyone have the cites for that argument? Thanks, Glenn Prince Rice University From stevendamico at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 19:50:50 2008 From: stevendamico at gmail.com (Steven D'Amico) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:50:50 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Silence In-Reply-To: <733084.93132.qm@web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <733084.93132.qm@web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Glenn Prince wrote: > I know 5-7 years ago there was a silence argument ran. Does anyone have > the cites for that argument? > > Thanks, > Glenn Prince > Rice University > > > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/b97a587c/attachment.htm From spoon_22 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 14 20:47:42 2008 From: spoon_22 at hotmail.com (Aaron Hardy) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:47:42 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let me be clear -- Whitman and I are obviously in debt to Denver (and Logan specifically) for having pushed the envelope long in advance of our current switch. I wouldn't pretend to be the progenitor of this idea, the first one to do it, nor some radical innovator. My email was intended only to let people know we were doing this, and seek feedback on the differences between our system and previously suggested implementations (including Denver's and previous versions at Whitman). I think if you read my original email, those provisos are clear. We've been engaged in conversations with you (including this summer on edebate) seeking input precisely because of your experiences. I think the description and solicitation for feedback is valuable above and beyond previous discussions -- two reasons: a) One of the explicit criticisms I've heard over the last several years related to paperless is some version of "but this wouldn't work for our large team" or "it's not feasible given our infrastructure." While Denver obviously went paperless long before us, Whitman's experience at Gonzaga is to my knowledge the largest simultaneous implementation of any paperless system so far. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be corrected -- because I'd like to talk to other people about their experiences at making this better. Either way, I think there's valuable experience to be gleaned for the community at large from hearing about how our experiment went, and what it's like doing this with seven teams. b) There are differences, some significant, between the system as practiced by Denver and the system we're employing -- ironing out the logistics of our system and procuring feedback on it is valuable to us, even if other people already have paperless all figured out. In particular, there's a ton of nuts and bolts stuff specific our method that hasn't been widely discussed on edebate -- how we structure files, incorporate templates, how I wrote the VBA code, etc -- which the backchannels I've received as part of this discussion have been helpful in thinking about and improving. You'd have to work pretty hard to find any malicious braggadocio in my original post. Best, Al Gore Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:26:37 -0600 From: logan.martin at gmail.com To: edebate at ndtceda.com Subject: [eDebate] Whitman and Paperless Officially, I speak only on my own behalf, but I am sure that I will be joined by the other members of the University of Denver in congratulating Aaron Hardy and the Whitman debate team for their brave foray into the uncharted territory that is paperless debate. It is heartening to see such a creative, unprecedented approach to addressing the rising costs of travel, which pose unique challenges to teams like Whitman and others, who are finding it more and more difficult to take seven teams to national-level competitions. It is my hope that the community will adopt Hardy's proposed norms with enthusiasm and defer to him as the authority on all issues related to this extraordinary new model of competition. Incidentally, I would like to congratulate Mr. Hardy for his other recent innovations, such as the disad, the internet, and pants. Sincerely, Logan Martin References: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2008-July/075405.html http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2006-April/066490.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpxtKcLSFWw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagarism _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/06d802b2/attachment.htm From sethellsworth at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 22:59:32 2008 From: sethellsworth at gmail.com (Seth T. Ellsworth) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:59:32 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Paperless Whitman Message-ID: <412d08cb0809142059v26b22e0ah1ae1c0d89f81e78f@mail.gmail.com> At least Kim Jong Ill invented the hamburger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080914/067e1259/attachment.htm From proudsavage at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 01:23:45 2008 From: proudsavage at gmail.com (stephen davis) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:23:45 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] peopleless debate Message-ID: <9b5963440809142323t7c3845efk7020474498a9afe8@mail.gmail.com> Heidegger would be pissed. I like this idea, i think there are lot of things that could be semi-automated that would make all of our lives a lot easier provided that we've got the cash. For instance: why haven't we taught computers to flow for us yet? i mean why are we even traveling when really debate could happen over real time feeds on the interwebs. or even in email... i could judge debates from here provided i got a hold of the right software. i really dont know why we would stop at robot judges. why dont we write programming that will simulate debaters and will produce args that coaches write and the robots can just download into the mainframe in Jim Hansons basement. its uncanny to me that any poor misguided fools ever thought of debate as something of an organic process wherein people do stuff... doin stuff is, thanks to this innovation, totally over rated. everyone knows all the best stuff is made by robots. why wouldn't the best debate be made by robots. if someone misses the viceral and corporeal they could prolly grow vocal cords in a lab and hook them up to a talking machine or something... this is great... whitman should be applauded for this feat... in ten years debate will be a software writers job that could foster another tech boom and save us all from having to think and act in accordance with those thoughts so we can have more time to cook crystal meth and pretend that anybody cares that paper is obsolete in walla walla... cant wait till unsliced bread comes out and disposible television and rice crispies without all that annoying cracking and popping... ROBOT WARS... the new debate, like pink is the new orange and black is the new president... im excited, but am wholly unsurprised, ive come to expect such ground breaking innovations from a team as cutting edge as whitman and im happy that this particular innovation will pave the way for more stuff that no one cares about... repectfully, Stephen M. Davis Towson University Debate Coach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/0beb84ff/attachment.htm From kristopherwillis at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 08:29:48 2008 From: kristopherwillis at hotmail.com (Kris Willis) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:29:48 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Giving away an extra room at the tourney Hotel for GSU Message-ID: Back channel if interested, otherwise I will release it back to the hotel. Kris _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/3069bd11/attachment.htm From beth.skinner at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 09:24:19 2008 From: beth.skinner at gmail.com (Beth Skinner) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:24:19 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Great Weekend in Baltimore Message-ID: <4550c7380809150724n3182b1b7ja4929b76fde87081@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Andy Ellis, Y.O.U.R.S. and Baltimore College Debate for a great season opener. Congrats to Western Connecticut, Richmond, NYU, West Virginia and especially the new Drexel and Swarthmore debaters. For about $300 in entry fees Towson teams got almost 60 rounds, high quality judge feedback, plus breakfast, lunch and snacks. This model works well. Looking forward to the next one in November. Beth From resolt2 at email.uky.edu Mon Sep 15 09:51:56 2008 From: resolt2 at email.uky.edu (SOLT, ROGER E) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:51:56 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky tournament update Message-ID: There are several points I want to bring to your attention. 1. Schools are obligated to provide four rounds of judging for each of their first two teams. They are obligated to provide FIVE rounds of judging for all teams beyond two. Even if debateresults.com says you have met your commitment, you actually haven't unless you meet this formula (which was printed in the invitation). 2. We would like to freshen the pool by hiring a few extra rounds of judging. We will pay $25 per round. Please contact me if you are interested. If you are willing to contribute to the common good by DONATING extra rounds, we would of course be even more appreciative. 3. We need a list of all teams composed of two first year college debaters (for purposes of the special first year elimination bracket). There is a small surcharge ($10) for each of these teams. We would also like to know the names of your other first year debaters for purposes of first year speaker awards. 4. We have decided to add lunch on Saturday. It will be the traditional J.W. pizza party. Ouita Michel's special buffet lunch will be served on Sunday. 5. With regard to dietary preferences, we should be fine respecting vegetarians. But if you have vegans in your party, please give us a heads up. 6. On Friday evening from 7 to 10, concurrent with registration, there will be a special coaches' reception honoring Dr. J.W. Patterson. It will take place, probably, in the Lafayette Suite (room 517) of the Lexington Downtown Hotel (formerly the Radisson). Please come by for a snack and to say hello to J.W. We look forward to seeing you in Lexington. Roger Solt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/9b62c798/attachment.htm From berchnorto at msn.com Mon Sep 15 10:18:05 2008 From: berchnorto at msn.com (NEIL BERCH) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:18:05 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Great Weekend in Baltimore In-Reply-To: <4550c7380809150724n3182b1b7ja4929b76fde87081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Andy, as well as Beth and the Towson debaters, for a great weekend that combined keen competition and a wide diversity of arguments in a very congenial and supportive atmosphere. And let everyone be clear on one thing: the gentlemen from Drexel and Swarthmore will be a force to be reckoned with! --Neil Berch West Virginia University >From: "Beth Skinner" >To: edebate >Subject: [eDebate] Great Weekend in Baltimore >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:24:19 -0400 > >Thanks to Andy Ellis, Y.O.U.R.S. and Baltimore College Debate for a >great season opener. Congrats to Western Connecticut, Richmond, NYU, >West Virginia and especially the new Drexel and Swarthmore debaters. >For about $300 in entry fees Towson teams got almost 60 rounds, high >quality judge feedback, plus breakfast, lunch and snacks. This model >works well. Looking forward to the next one in November. Beth >_______________________________________________ >eDebate mailing list >eDebate at www.ndtceda.com >http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate From rickydeck at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 10:45:32 2008 From: rickydeck at gmail.com (Ricky Deck) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:45:32 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Great Weekend in Baltimore In-Reply-To: References: <4550c7380809150724n3182b1b7ja4929b76fde87081@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ae7c1540809150845o2357f187vbfaae7c70b6409f@mail.gmail.com> Speaking for both my partner and I, the Towson tournament was a great way to start the year. Going to a tournament without having any idea of what to expect, Towson's debaters, coaches, and Andy Ellis allowed my partner and I to relive an event we've truly missed. The tournament was fun, diverse, exciting, and full of engagement (both from the teams and judges). I'd also like to thank all of the teams that showed support of our attempt at starting up new programs and debating together. Cheers to the start of a great upcoming year to all. --Ricky Deck Drexel University/Swarthmore College Debate On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM, NEIL BERCH wrote: > Thanks to Andy, as well as Beth and the Towson debaters, for a great > weekend > that combined keen competition and a wide diversity of arguments in a very > congenial and supportive atmosphere. And let everyone be clear on one > thing: the gentlemen from Drexel and Swarthmore will be a force to be > reckoned with! > --Neil Berch > West Virginia University > > > >From: "Beth Skinner" > >To: edebate > >Subject: [eDebate] Great Weekend in Baltimore > >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:24:19 -0400 > > > >Thanks to Andy Ellis, Y.O.U.R.S. and Baltimore College Debate for a > >great season opener. Congrats to Western Connecticut, Richmond, NYU, > >West Virginia and especially the new Drexel and Swarthmore debaters. > >For about $300 in entry fees Towson teams got almost 60 rounds, high > >quality judge feedback, plus breakfast, lunch and snacks. This model > >works well. Looking forward to the next one in November. Beth > >_______________________________________________ > >eDebate mailing list > >eDebate at www.ndtceda.com > >http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/53d10d0f/attachment.htm From dave at miami.edu Mon Sep 15 11:03:21 2008 From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:03:21 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Unofficial Calendar Update 9/15 Message-ID: I am sorry not to have updated sooner, and also sorry if you sent me information that does not show up. Please send me revisions, and I will post to the permanent link tomorrow. ds dates Tournament Divisions Contact Person email 09/13-09/14 Baltimore Season Opener O,JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 09/13-09/15 The Jesuit @ Gonzaga O Glen Frappier frappier at calvin.gonzaga.edu 09/19-09/21 King's College O,JV,N Mike Berry michaelberry at kings.edu 09/20-09/22 UNI Ulrich Season Opener O,JV,N Cate Palczewski palczewski at uni.edu 09/20-09/22 Georgia State University O,JV,N Joe Bellon joe.bellon at gmail.com 09/26-09/27 Rochester O,JV,N Ken Johnson kenrjohnson at msn.com 09/26-09/28 Golden Gate Season Opener SFSU O,JV,N Shawn Whalen swhalen at sfsu.edu 09/26-09/28 Clarion University Autumn Leaf Debates O,JV,N Jim Lyle jlyle at clarion.edu 09/27-09/28 Laramie Scrimage Matt Stannard stannardmatt at hotmail.com 09/27-09/29 Bear Shock @ WSU (with Mo. State) O,JV,N Jeff Jarman jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu 09/30-10/01 Las Vegas Round Robin O Jake Thompson Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu 09/30-10/01 Kentucky Round Robin JW Patterson jwpatt00 at email.uky.edu 10/04-10/06 Las Vegas Classic O,JV,N Jake Thompson Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu 10/04-10/06 Henry Clay Debates JW Patterson jwpatt00 at email.uky.edu 10/10-10/12 Santa Rosa Junior College O,JV,N Mark Nelson mnelson at santarosa.edu 10/10-10/12 KCKCC Blue Devil Debates O,JV,N Darren Elliott delliott at kckcc.edu 10/11-10/13 Jay Weinberg Classic @ Richmond O,JV,N Kevin Kuswa kkuswa at richmond.edu 10/17-10/19 West Point Invitational O,JV,N Bill Skimmyhorn william.skimmyhorn at usma.edu 10/17-10/19 Vanderbilt O,JV,N ML Sandoz ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu 10/17-10/19 Pepperdine Ray Buchanan Invitational O,JV,N Sarah Stone Watt sarah.stonewatt at pepperdine.edu 10/18-10/20 Idaho State Open Debates O,JV,N Sarah Partlow Lefevre partsara at isu.edu 10/18-10/20 Emporia State University (Pflaum Debates) O,JV,N Samuel Maurer smaurer at emporia.edu 10/24-10/26 Diablo Valley College O,JV,N Becky Opsata BOpsata at dvc.edu 10/25-10/26 Western Connecticut O,JV,N, Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox wilcoxw at wcsu.edu 10/25-10/27 Wayne State Motor City Classic V,JV,N Kelly Young kelly.young at wayne.edu 10/31-11/02 Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) O,JV,N John Kephart III csundebate at gmail.com 11/01-11/02 Frederick Douglas Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 11/01-11/03 Harvard O Dallas Perkins dperkins at fas.harvard.edu 11/07-11/09 University of Central Oklahoma O,JV,N Eric Marlow emarlow at ucok.edu 11/07-11/09 University of the Pacific O,JV,N Marlin Bates mbates at pacific.edu 11/07-11/09 Liberty O,JV,N Mike Hall mphall at liberty.edu 11/14-11/16 Appalachian State Mountaineer Debates O,JV,N Kris Willis williskw at appstate.edu 11/15-11/17 Wake Forest O Ross Smith smithr at wfu.edu 11/22-11/23 Binghamton O,JV,N joe leeson-schatz sailorferrets at gmail.com 11/22-11/23 WNPT @ Whitman O Jim Hanson hansonjb at whitman.edu 12/05-12/07 Macalester David Cram Helwich cramhelwich at gmail.com 12/05-12/07 12th Annual Austin J. Freeley Tournament O,JV,N Brent Brossmann brossmann at jcu.edu 12/06-12/07 Mid Atlantic Fall Champs O,JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 01/03-01/05 Southern California Gordon Stables stables at usc.edu 01/06-01/08 University of North Texas O,JV,N Brian Lain blain at unt.edu 01/07-01/09 Fullerton Jon Bruschke jbruschke at fullerton.edu 01/10-01/12 University of Texas at Dallas O,JV,N Chris Burk crb012000 at utdallas.edu 01/16-01/18 George Mason University O,JV,N Warren Decker wdecker at gmu.edu 01/17-01/18 Val A. Browning Round Robin O Veronica Guevara veronica_m_barreto at hotmail.com 01/17-01/19 West Georgia Mike Hester UWGDebate at gmail.com 01/23-01/25 US Naval Academy O,JV,N Danielle Verney O'Gorman daisy_verney at hotmail.com 01/24-01/26 University of California O,JV,N Greg Achten gregachten at berkeley.edu 01/24-01/26 Baylor O,JV Matt Gerber matt_gerber at baylor.edu 01/31-02/01 Umass O,JV,N 01/30-02/01 Hurricane Debates @ University of Miami O,JV,N David Steinberg dave at miami.edu 02/06-02/08 Northwestern O Daniel J. Fitzmier d-fitzmier at northwestern.edu 02/14-02/15 Cornell JV,N,Rookie Sam Nelson Samnelson4 at aol.com 02/14-02/15 Harriett Tubman O,JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 02/13-02/15 WFA @ ASU Derek Buescher dbuescher at ups.edu 02/20-02/22 NCFA @ Chico O,JV,N Sue Peterson sepeterson at csuchico.edu 02/21-02/23 Mardi Gras Policy @ UL-Lafayette Scott Elliott sme2607 at louisiana.edu 02/28-03/01 CEDA East/D8 Qualifier @ Baruch College O,JV,N Vik Keenan vikeenan at gmail.com 02/28-03/02 Northwest CEDA Champs O Jim Hanson hansonjb at whitman.edu 03/06-03/09 Novice and JV Nationals @ Towson JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 03/13-03/15 ADA Nats @ Appalachian State University O,JV,N Kris Willis williskw at appstate.edu 03/14-03/16 NJDDT JV,N Terri Easley teasley3 at jcc.edu 03/20-03/24 CEDA Nationals @ Idaho State University O Darren Elliott delliott at kckcc.edu 03/27-03/30 NDT @ University of Texas, Austin David L. Steinberg Director of Debate, University of Miami P.O. Box 248127 Coral Gables, Florida 33124 305-284-5553 (office) 305-284-5216 (fax) 305-926-8498 (cell) dave at miami.edu Go Canes! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/4e7065c5/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone have the cites for that argument?Thanks,Glenn PrinceRice University_______________________________________________eDebate mailing listeDebate at www.ndtceda.comhttp://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/23ebf8cf/attachment.html From jrwatchtower at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 10:53:22 2008 From: jrwatchtower at gmail.com (John Rief) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:53:22 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Pitt Needs 1-4 Rounds at Kentucky Message-ID: <9E5016A7-4017-46FC-90F1-3C38A7E0AD17@gmail.com> The University of Pittsburgh is looking to hire 1 (at a minimum) to 4 rounds at the Kentucky tournament (10/4-10/6). Please let me know ASAP if you can help us cover these debates. We will offer reasonable financial compensation. Best, John Rief University of Pittsburgh From mardigras23 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 18:10:07 2008 From: mardigras23 at hotmail.com (Aaron Kall) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:10:07 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] United Airlines boosts 2nd-bag fee to $50 Message-ID: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26719267/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/5f5e0056/attachment.htm From kel1773 at msn.com Tue Sep 16 12:37:33 2008 From: kel1773 at msn.com (Kelly Young) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:37:33 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Call for Papers: Wayne State Center for Study of Citizenship 2009 Conference--speaker Wil Kymlicka Message-ID: CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF CITIZENSHIP 2009 CONFERENCE REPRESENTING CITIZENSHIP CALL FOR PAPERS The Center for the Study of Citizenship at Wayne State University announces its Sixth Annual Conference in Citizenship Studies. The Conference will be held at Wayne State?s Detroit campus on 26-28 March 2009. The theme for this year?s conference is REPRESENTING CITIZENSHIP. Distinguished philosopher Wil Kymlicka (Queen?s University, Ontario, Canada) author of Multicultural Citizenship: A Liberal Theory of Minority Rights, will serve as the conference keynote speaker. The Center invites proposals for papers, panels, poster sessions, artistic displays and performances that examine citizenship and representation in many senses, from the political and legal to the literary and artistic. Topics may include but are not limited to the representation of political or legal interests by proxies such as legislators, political parties, interest groups, or lawyers; the representation of citizens in novels, plays, or print, broadcast, or digital media and the cultural consequences of this ?embodiment?; and the circulation of depictions and descriptions of citizenship in school texts, government films, or other media meant to model or critique civic behavior. These examples are meant to be suggestive, not to limit the range of potential subjects for scholarly inquiry. We invite presentations from any time period or geographic area from among and across the widest range of disciplines, including but not limited to literature, political science, history, anthropology, law, communications, sociology, economics, geography, medicine, film studies, and the fine arts. We welcome proposals from scholars, graduate students, artists, and performers and encourage those interested in submitting panel proposals to use H-Citizenship (http://www.h-net.org/~citizen/) to locate scholars with compatible interests. Panels will use a peer-comment format, and each panelist will be asked to offer five minutes of comment on a co-panelist?s work. If you would like to participate in the conference as a moderator or commentator, rather than presenter, please indicate that along with your area(s) of expertise (political science, literature, etc.) and include a brief c.v. The Center plans to publish a volume of papers from the conference. Proposals should be submitted no later than Friday, 14 November 2008 using the Center?s online form. Both panel proposals and individual submissions are welcome. Questions should be directed to Marc W. Kruman, aa1277 at wayne.edu. We regret that the Center does not provide funding for travel or other expenses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080916/1e905f77/attachment.htm From mphall at liberty.edu Mon Sep 15 12:52:14 2008 From: mphall at liberty.edu (Hall, Michael P. (Debate)) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:52:14 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Rounds Needed for GSU Message-ID: <17328617EA180D4AAEFC0852B21B61F49C428832@LUEMS01VS.University.liberty.edu> We're still looking to hire rounds for Georgia State. [cid:image003.jpg at 01C9173A.4290FCF0] Michael P. Hall Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 Ph: (434) 582-2080 Fx: (434) 582-2113 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/c1e99953/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2676 bytes Desc: image003.jpg Url : http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/c1e99953/attachment.jpg From malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com Tue Sep 16 23:27:07 2008 From: malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com (M G) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:27:07 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] whitman CS please Message-ID: Howdy. I need some cites. malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com thanks malgor _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080916/fbca6a00/attachment.htm From mphall at liberty.edu Mon Sep 15 15:30:33 2008 From: mphall at liberty.edu (Hall, Michael P. (Debate)) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:30:33 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Results of the ADA Mail Ballot Message-ID: <17328617EA180D4AAEFC0852B21B61F4DB55F93F@LUEMS01VS.University.liberty.edu> 13 schools returned ballots. Amendment to the Constitution (Require 2/3 majority approval) Proposal #1: Yes - 8, No - 5, Amendment fails Amendments to the Standing Rules (Require simple majority approval) Proposal #1: (changes to Article I, Section 5) Yes - 8, No - 5, Amendment passes Proposal #2: (changes to Article I, Section 8 )Yes - 10, No - 3, Amendment passes Proposal #3: (changes to Article I, Section 12) Yes - 8, No - 5, Amendment passes Proposal #4: (changes to Article II, Section 5) Yes - 10, No - 3, Amendment passes You will be able to find an updated copy of the ADA rules tomorrow at www.liberty.edu/debate. [cid:image002.jpg at 01C91750.6018CB70] Michael P. Hall Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 Ph: (434) 582-2080 Fx: (434) 582-2113 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The hospitality was off the hook, the schedule was humane, and the competition was fierce. We will definitely be back next year. Thanks again. Peace, Marlow ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. From davismk13 at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:44:57 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:44:57 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU entry reminder Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809151844k31294f1ar9a59ae51742e051e@mail.gmail.com> This is just a reminder that Tuesday night at midnight we will close entries for GSU. Please make sure all of your teams and judges are accurate. I will get the preference sheet up some time on Wednesday so please make an adjustments tomorrow. Thanks, Mike -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From shahall at comcast.net Wed Sep 17 06:39:46 2008 From: shahall at comcast.net (Sherry Hall) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:39:46 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] That Time Again Message-ID: <040601c918ba$1700c580$6c02a8c0@PowerspecPc> Hi Everybody-- I just received the first list of schools that have subscribed to the NDT through the AFA website as of September 1st. If you subscribed by September 1st and do not appear on this list please let me know. James Pratt included a note that the paypal system on the website is still plagued with errors -- that routinely overcharge and undercharge. If you notice an error, contact Jim and he will adjust it. You can avoid the difficulties with the AFA website by paying your dues to me directly. You can pay me in person at Georgia State, Kentucky, and Harvard by check or cash, or you can mail a check to Sherry Hall, 324 Franklin St., Cambridge, MA 02139. Please make checks payable to "The National Debate Tournament." The dues are set at $50.00. I am not equipped to take credit cards, so if you wish to pay by credit card, you must use the AFA site. The standing rules of the Board of Trustees outlines the following fee schedule for subscribers: "IV. A. Sources of Income. Subscription Fees a. The amount of the subscription fee for the following year is to be established by the Board of Trustees meeting at the National Tournament. b. Subscription fees are to be paid to the Treasurer, or the AFA Treasurer, no later than November 1. The Treasurer will periodically publish a list of schools from which subscription fees have been collected. Receipts for subscription fees are to be issued by the Treasurer or AFA Treasurer. Any school subscribing between the dates of November 1 and December 15, will be charged double the base subscription fee. Any school subscribing between the dates of December 15 and January 15, will be charged triple the base subscription fee. c. Only subscribing schools from a district may take part in the at-large or district qualification processes. Verification of payment shall be determined and published by the Treasurer. d. No subscription fees will be accepted after January 15 unless approval is given by the District and National Committees and the Board of Trustees. e. The Chair will appoint a committee from the Board of Trustees to hear appeals." List of Current Subscribers: Boston College California State University @ Northridge Concordia College Dartmouth College Eastern New Mexico University Gonzaga University Illinois State University Kansas State University Pepperdine University University of Georgia University of Kentucky University of North Texas University of Notre Dame University of Richmond University of Texas @ Austin University of Tulsa Western Connecticut State University Whitman College Thanks, Sherry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080917/79883560/attachment.htm From davismk13 at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 12:40:58 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:40:58 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Prefs Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809171040v672ca952w6c47e2dd8b0cd7b8@mail.gmail.com> Are up and active. They will close at 1:00pm on Friday. And prefs sheets completed after that will not be in effect for rounds one and two. Any questions or problems please let me know. Mike p.s. Now would be a good time to enter judge philosophies for those of you who have still not done so. It is really unfair considering how hard our students work for you to not be able to take five minutes out of your super busy day to enter a judge philosophy. -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From delliott at kckcc.edu Mon Sep 15 11:53:43 2008 From: delliott at kckcc.edu (Darren Elliott) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:53:43 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Tourn. Hosts: MPJ/ sanctioning/fees reminder Message-ID: <20080915T115343Z_0A6D00070001@kckcc.edu> Just a friendly reminder to anyone hosting a tournament. If you missed it in the newsletter, please be aware of 2 important constitutional changes that are in place. Beginning last year, any team that is a new/emerging program, can for up to 3 years, request that their entry fees be reduced by 50% for tournament entry. Additionally, they will have their CEDA dues waived for that time period. Any tournament that feels it cannot afford to reduce fees, must submit a request for waiver to the Executive Secretary with time for him to review the matter and make a decision. Beginning this year, any tournament with multiple divisions, that offers MPJ in any division, must offer a form of judge selection in all divisions offered. It does not have to be the same selection criteria for each division, however a minimum amount of preference/strikes/selection must be offered across the board. To clarify: You could do 7 categories in one division, 5 categories in 2 others for example. You could do ABC Strike in 1 division and just strikes in the others. If you have questions about any of the above, I would be glad to talk to you. 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We were near the airport last year and that seemed to be worth it for some of you. At the SE/SEC/D6 people asked to have a closer hotel - thus the tournament hotel. Also, if you have not registered on debateresults and plan to come, please let me know by either email or debateresults. ------------------------------------------------- Sandoz, M L Director of Debate Vanderbilt University Email: mary.l.sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu From buntinjp at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 11:41:50 2008 From: buntinjp at gmail.com (Jeff Buntin) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:41:50 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Gonzaga results Message-ID: Finals: USC JL (aff) over Cal BP 2-1 - Malgor, Crowe, *Buntin Semis: USC JL (neg) over Northwestern FW 2-1 - Cleary, Jennings, *Vats Cal BP over Cal BJ Quarters: Cal BP over Whitman CS (unsure ballot count/judges) Northwestern FW over Gonzaga BC 3-0 - Reed, McBride, Rekhi USC JL over Texas BS 3-0 - Buntin, Cleary, Meiches Cal BJ over Idaho State JM (unsure ballot count/judges) Octos Cal BP over Wyoming AP Northwestern FW over Cal BW USC JL over Gonzaga HJ Cal BJ over Texas SW Idaho State JM over Wyoming BJ Texas BS over Central Oklahoma CS Whitman CS over Gonzaga MM Gonzaga BC over Cal BG Speakers: 15 - Spencer Janyk - Whitman 14 - Danielle Jennings - Idaho State 13 - Nick Bormann - Gonzaga 12 - Mima Lazerevic - USC 11 - James Brockway - Cal 10 - Kathy Bowen - Cal 9 - Paul Montreuil - Idaho State 8 - Mike Jones - USC 7 - Jacob Polin - Cal 6 - Rahul Jaswa - Cal 5 - John Warden - Northwestern 4 - Nate Cohn - Whitman 3 - Andy Casey - Central Oklahoma 2 - Matt Fisher - Northwestern 1 - Mike Burshteyn - Cal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are a pro law enforcement show and we license clips from stringers who capture footage for most daring and shocking stories. I understand you may have RAW footage from the CEDA 2008 debate involving SHANAHAN vs. SHANARA. I would like to speak to you regarding this matter. I look forward to seeing what you have so we can decide whether to proceed with a story or not. Please contact me with any questions you may have, I have also attached our press kit for your perusal. Thanks for your time. Best, Meredith Trosper Tuna -- Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics University of Vermont Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu World Debate Institute http://debate.uvm.edu/wdi/ World Debate Institute Blog http://worlddebateinstitute.blogspot.com 802-656-0097 office telephone 802-656-4275 office fax From jrwatchtower at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 09:45:14 2008 From: jrwatchtower at gmail.com (John Rief) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:45:14 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Pitt Needs 5 Rounds of Judging at Clarion Message-ID: The University of Pittsburgh needs 5 rounds of judging covered at the Clarion tournament (9/26-9/28). We are currently offering $30.00 per round but are open to negotiation. If you are interested, please respond ASAP. Best, John Rief University of Pittsburgh From delliott at kckcc.edu Tue Sep 16 16:29:55 2008 From: delliott at kckcc.edu (Darren Elliott) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:29:55 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] KCKCC Hotel Rates Message-ID: <48CFDF03020000930001AD59@mymail.kckcc.edu> Everyone, I think the invite posted what were the normal "rack" rate for the Days Inn. Sam Maurer emailed me to let me know they gave Emporia a rate of: 59.99 for a single 64.99 for a double Please ask for these lower rates when reserving at the Days Inn. thanks, chief From proudsavage at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 01:38:06 2008 From: proudsavage at gmail.com (stephen davis) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:38:06 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] gonzo results? Message-ID: <9b5963440809162338y5e12855cia4a91dab022c1fb@mail.gmail.com> are there any? -- Stephen M. Davis Towson University Debate Coach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also debates over the interweb might be just as good or better than debates in real time. Imagining getting to sleep a little extra in your own bed before debating. Get off your horse on top of your ivory tower and think before you say things. From debate.gsu at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 10:23:58 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:23:58 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Tournament -- Caselist reminder/clarification Message-ID: For any teams planning on attending our tournament this coming weekend, please remember to send your caselist information to gsucaselist at gmail.com. Do not post your information directly to the Wiki unless you want everyone to know what you'll be running before you run it. Of course, if you have already debated at a tournament such as Gonzaga, there's no problem posting directly to the Wiki. Still, it would be nice if you'd send us a full 1AC disclosure to the gmail account anyway. We will start posting information on the Wiki the second that round 2 begins at our tournament. Thanks. We look forward to seeing y'all this weekend. Dr. Joe Bellon Director of Debate Georgia State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080917/0f5cc40d/attachment.htm From debate.gsu at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 10:25:52 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:25:52 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU tournament -- Please enter food information Message-ID: Please do not forget to enter the food preference (vegetarian, vegan, etc.) for every member of your party on debateresults.com. We will be using these numbers to inform the hotel how many vegan-friendly meals to prepare. The buffet will be veggie-friendly, but you can always make special requests. The hotel assures me they will be able to accomodate you. -Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080917/99304136/attachment.htm From davismk13 at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 01:09:23 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:09:23 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU entries closed Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809162309v2b205b10u8c6643244fd5acee@mail.gmail.com> I have closed entries for GSU. If you have any changes from here on out please e-mail them directly to me. Mike -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From jbhdb8 at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:28:57 2008 From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com (Josh) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:28:57 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] peopleless debate In-Reply-To: <9b5963440809142323t7c3845efk7020474498a9afe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b5963440809142323t7c3845efk7020474498a9afe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hola Compadre, (The department of self-importance wanted it known that when Captain Stephen Davis said "stuff nobody cared about" he actually meant "stuff nobody who thinks a phallus and a poem constitutes a researched topic cares about") Stephen, you might have heard - other people who debate other styles are having to deal with bag charges from the near collapse of the airline industry (mostly caused by the run of high oil/gas prices in the last few years). You might know somthing about the economics of that if you had actually researched the energy topic a few years back. I am sure in your no laptops, no news, to television world this seems like ushering in an era of "robot debate." Once you turn on the lights in your homestead in Baltimore and use the outhouse and your motorcar a few times you will see that there are good things about technology. In this particular instance - debaters (actual human beings)....work like 40 hours a week writing what are called BLOCKS....now, either an electronic tub called a laptop or a rubbermaid tub can carry those BLOCKS to the tournament (I am sure you will be walking cross-country to those or maybe taking that newfangled "Iron Horse")......the third "electronic tub" helps share those BLOCKS with the other team. The really nifty thing about these new electronic tubs is you can do your research, write the blocks, and store the blocks all in a small space....Its pretty crazy. I am sure you have spurned all technology and live exclusively by the unibomber manifesto, so your fears of "laptops" actually being robots makes some sense. Of course if you are right maybe we will all have cute little cyborg debaters soon....awwwwwww Josh On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:23 AM, stephen davis wrote: > Heidegger would be pissed. > > I like this idea, i think there are lot of things that could be > semi-automated that would make all of our lives a lot easier provided that > we've got the cash. For instance: why haven't we taught computers to flow > for us yet? i mean why are we even traveling when really debate could happen > over real time feeds on the interwebs. or even in email... i could judge > debates from here provided i got a hold of the right software. i really > dont know why we would stop at robot judges. why dont we write programming > that will simulate debaters and will produce args that coaches write and > the robots can just download into the mainframe in Jim Hansons basement. its > uncanny to me that any poor misguided fools ever thought of debate as > something of an organic process wherein people do stuff... doin stuff is, > thanks to this innovation, totally over rated. everyone knows all the best > stuff is made by robots. why wouldn't the best debate be made by robots. > if someone misses the viceral and corporeal they could prolly grow vocal > cords in a lab and hook them up to a talking machine or something... this is > great... whitman should be applauded for this feat... in ten years debate > will be a software writers job that could foster another tech boom and save > us all from having to think and act in accordance with those thoughts so we > can have more time to cook crystal meth and pretend that anybody cares that > paper is obsolete in walla walla... cant wait till unsliced bread comes out > and disposible television and rice crispies without all that annoying > cracking and popping... ROBOT WARS... the new debate, like pink is the new > orange and black is the new president... im excited, but am wholly > unsurprised, ive come to expect such ground breaking innovations from a > team as cutting edge as whitman and im happy that this particular innovation > will pave the way for more stuff that no one cares about... > > repectfully, > > > Stephen M. Davis > Towson University > Debate Coach > > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080915/9aa61351/attachment.htm From jrwatchtower at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:15:47 2008 From: jrwatchtower at gmail.com (John Rief) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:15:47 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Pitt's Clarion Rounds Covered Message-ID: Pitt has covered its rounds for Clarion. John Rief University of Pittsburgh From proudsavage at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:33:20 2008 From: proudsavage at gmail.com (stephen davis) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:33:20 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] con sarnit, i knew this would happen Message-ID: <9b5963440809171233i2a2b8ea4u9e6c12a5f60bfa90@mail.gmail.com> look, of course what whitman is doing is a perfectly fine innovation and prolly will save money time trees and effort... i was, as per my ususal, bratty, self important, sardonic, nature... making a joke... are jokes still ok, i feel like its the week after 9-11 and saturday night live is afraid to even try to be funny... and as it turns out thier attempts failed and everyone sent them backchannels to call them an asshat... group and concede, im an asshat... Aaron, Jim, Pinto, Whitman, Heidegger, Josh, etc... I really wasnt trying to offend you or attack you or belittle the important work that you do... REALLY when the post closes with "repectfully" it is meant whole heartedly.... the rest is just being silly in the hopes that occasionally being silly about something that seems relatively uncontroversial might still be acceptable. i know that we, as a community, have had a really really rough summer. i just wanted to lighten the mood a little(or see if it could be lightened) with a post that i thought couldn't be construed as grossly offensive by nature of its subject matter. those who backchanneled me are, of course, absolutely correct... im a bratty idiot... please dont mind me... and those who are engaged in this conversation should not think that i harbor animosity toward them or the steps they are taking to make debate better... Kudos... as for pintos high horse--ivory tower arguments i used to live in a commune in a dilapadated barn i just moved to the hood... my tower is not high, nor has it ever been, and my horse is 20 years old, grinds gears, drips oil, and smokes everywhere it goes... get your mind right and learn to recognize an absurdity when you see one before you make assumptions about me... there is also no uniqueness to this ivory tower claim... to reiterate whitman is awesome, im a douche, josh likes baby cyborg jokes, and pinto is doubling my silliness by not recognizing its as such... silly silly pinto... i love you all, calm down, im occasionally silly like josh is occasionally wrong and jackie is occasionally bad at spelling, its ok, were allowed to be different and express that difference any way we want to so long as it doesnt hurt anyones feelings(was hoping the playfullness of my orginal post would denote that i was not intending an ontological, epistemic, or metaphysical assault of any kind...) if if i failed as i often do i am sorry but will hold fast in my quest to carve out a niche for non-offensive, playfully sardonic, meaningful douchebag participation on edebate... sincerely, smfd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080917/77b83348/attachment.htm From davismk13 at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 21:09:04 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:09:04 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] JMU Assistant Director of Debate Job Announcement Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809151909v4512ae90ud108d8bd0d693a9c@mail.gmail.com> The announcement for the Assistant Director of Debate at JMU starting in 2009-2010 is below. I will be at GSU and will be happy to meet with anyone who might be interested. Also, please feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions. Mike James Madison University Assistant Director of Debate/Lecturer Communication Studies The James Madison University School of Communication Studies invites applications for the position of Assistant Director of Debate/Lecturer. This position involves assisting with our nationally competitive policy debate program and teaching courses in a specialty area, in the departmental core and in the general education program. A Masters Degree in communication studies is required. This position is a three year renewable term appointment. The ideal candidate is an outstanding policy (NDT/CEDA) debate coach and an exceptional classroom instructor. SALARY IS VERY COMPETITIVE. Applicants should initiate the application process by accessing www.jmu.edu/humanresources/joblink.shtml. In addition, applicants should submit a letter of application, curriculum vitae, official transcripts, evidence of teaching excellence, statement of coaching philosophy and three letters of recommendation to Michael K. Davis, Ph.D., School of Communication Studies, James Madison University, MSC 2106, Harrisonburg, VA 22807. Review of applications will begin December 1st and continue until the position is filled. Preliminary interviews will be conducted at the NCA job fair and candidates are urged to submit completed applications prior to NCA. James Madison University is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity, Equal Access employer and especially encourages applications from minorities, women, and persons with disabilities. We seek candidates who will contribute to the climate of diversity in the School and the development of a College of Communication, Information, and Media. The School of Communication Studies strives to create an educational environment in which students and faculty facilitate constructive dialogue in the classroom and community to inspire responsible citizenship in a diverse world. This position is contingent on funding from the College of Arts and Letters. James Madison University is a growing university of approximately 17,000 students. JMU is located in Harrisonburg, a Virginia Main Street community of about 41,000, in the beautiful Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. It is approximately 1 hour from historic Charlottesville, 2 ? hours from Washington, D.C. and Richmond, and 3 ? hours from the Chesapeake Bay. JMU has been ranked as the South's top public, master's-level university for the 14th consecutive year, according to the annual "U.S. News & World Report" 2008 America's Best Colleges guide. In addition, JMU earned national recognition for its outstanding first-year experiences, learning communities and service-learning. The School of Communication Studies is currently located in new facilities and has the potential to offer a graduate program and become part of a College of Communication, Information, and Media in the near future. More information can be found at www.jmu.edu, www.jmu.edu/commstudies, and http://www.harrisonburgva.gov. -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From delliott at kckcc.edu Mon Sep 15 16:51:18 2008 From: delliott at kckcc.edu (Darren Elliott) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:51:18 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] KCKCC Invite Oct 10-12 Updated Message-ID: <20080915T165118Z_0A6D00070001@kckcc.edu> Below is the invite for the KCKCC Debate Tournament, Oct. 10th ? 12th, 2008. It has also been uploaded to the Bruschke site. chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate and Forensics Kansas City Kansas Community College CEDA President Friends, Please plan on joining us in October for the 7th Annual Blue Devil Debates. We plan to continue the tradition started five years ago in honoring our judges and competitors with awards voted on by the debaters. Additionally we will again present the Coaching Award and the Dr. Amy Fugate Leadership Award. Last year's recipients were Louie Petit of Missouri State receiving the Coaching Award and Dr. Gordon Stables of USC, receiving the Leadership Award. I look forward to presenting this year's awards as well. There will be entertainment options for coaches in the evening if there is interest. Likewise just 3 miles to the West of campus is Village West. It has become the entertainment, dining, and shopping mecca of Kansas and the Mid-West. It has moved Kansas up 15 spots in tourism among all states nationwide. Anything you could want to eat or buy is now available just minutes from the Campus. I encourage everyone to check it out--especially BBQ fans! (Read Arthur Bryant?s!!) : ) Thanks, Chief September 2008 Dear Colleagues: On behalf of Kansas City Kansas Community College, Blue Devil Debate, and the Humanities and Fine Arts Division, it is my pleasure to invite you and your students to the 7th annual KCKCC Debate Tournament. The debate tournament will be held Friday October 10th through Sunday October 12th on the KCKCC campus in Kansas City, Kansas. Registration for the tournament will be on Friday at the college. In this invitation you will find the necessary hotel information, schedule, and entry form. Please call for your rooms now as rooms in KC are hard to come by. We will be offering three divisions of policy debate on the current CEDA/NDT topic for 2008-2009. You may submit teams in Open, JV, and Novice divisions. We will break to an appropriate number of elims in each division and will do everything within reason to not have to collapse divisions. As per the CEDA rule governing sweeps, we will break ? the teams in all divisions providing at least a 50% W/L record. Speaker awards will also be given in each division. If you have any questions regarding the tournament, please do not hesitate to call or email. We look forward to hosting you on our campus in October. Sincerely, Darren Elliott--Director of Debate and Forensics (913)288-7295 -- office (316)214-9502 * cell delliott at kckcc.edu Amy Arellano--Asst. Debate and Forensics Coach Adrian Self?Asst. Coach Clay Crockett?Asst. Coach Tentative KCKCC Schedule of events: Friday, October 10th 2:00pm Registration Upper Level Lounge Jewell Student Center 3:00pm Pairings/Opening Assembly Upper Level Lounge Jewell Student Center 3:30pm Round I Preset 5:30pm Round II Preset 9:00pm Regional Meeting/All Coaches Reception Saturday, October 11th 8:00am Release Pairings Room 2110 Humanities 9:00am Round III 11:45am Round IV 1:45-3:00pm Lunch Room 2110 Humanities 3:30pm Round V 6:00pm Round VI 8:30pm First Partials Round (depending on size) ASAP Release list of Elim participants at Hotels and on edebate 10:00pm All Coaches Reception at Tournament Suite (Dependent on partials Round) Sunday, October 12th 8:00am Awards Assembly Upper Level Lounge Jewell Student Center Or Partial Elims (depending on size) 10am Elims Continue KCKCC Tournament Information DIVISIONS: We will be offering Open, Junior Varsity, and Novice Divisions. Please follow the CEDA guidelines for entering your team in the correct division. We will only collapse divisions if ABSOLUTELY necessary. We will break to the appropriate number of elims based on CEDA sweeps points regulations and number of entries in a division. We will break ? the teams in each division provided a 50% W/L record. If a division does collapse we will still give awards based on how a team finishes in comparison to other teams who would have been eligible for the less experienced division. ENTRIES: Please have your entries to me as soon as possible. I would like them no later than Oct. 8th. The number of Saturday classes on our campus has increased dramatically. Classroom space is limited. As such tournament entries will be secured on a first entered basis. If a wait list is necessary, teams will be notified once the cap is reached. If you are flying to KC, enter early and your spots will be guaranteed. TIME LIMITS: Time limits will be 9-3-6 with 10 minutes of prep time per team. JUDGING: Each school is expected to provide qualified judges to accompany their teams. You are responsible for three rounds of judging for every one team entered. All judges are committed through the first elim debate or one round past their teams' elimination, whichever occurs first. Please do your best to hire judges if you need to as opposed to trying to hire them through us. If you do need to hire a judge, the fee will be $150.00 per uncovered team. Please give me plenty of notice if you need to hire someone. If you are bringing extra judges, let me know how many rounds they would like to be hired for. Judges MUST render a decision by marking a loser and a winner of each debate. Only one team can win and only one can lose. Judges not following this will have their ballot changed with a coin toss and have their best team's record altered by forfeiting a win at the conclusion of prelims. We plan on using some sort of judge preference system depending on entries and availability. If a preference system is used, one will be used in ALL divisions as per CEDA rules. If you are bringing more teams than you can cover, and are splitting your judge commitments among your coaches, it is vital that you have enough judges on elim day to cover at a minimum the number of teams you clear. FEES: The registration fee will be $80.00 per team entered. We will provide Breakfast on Saturday as well as lunch. We will provide breakfast on Sunday morning as well. We will provide drinks and snacks throughout the weekend. Cash is the preferred method of payment so we can pay our vendors over the weekend. A check is the second best option--made out to "Darren Elliott--KCKCC Debate". Unfortunately we cannot take Visa, Mastercard, or Discover at this time. Bartering for chickens, and pigs is always negotiable. Just remember, even if you put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig. SMOKING: Please do not smoke inside buildings on the KCKCC campus. Smoking areas and containers for cigarette butts are located outside throughout the campus. TEAMS: Teams should be comprised of two debaters from the same school or two debaters, each from a different school. All teams, including hybrids will be allowed to advance to elims and win speaker awards. Please notify me early of any 3-person teams you may enter. KCKCC debaters may participate in the tournament and advance to elim rounds. Three-Person teams will be allowed although if multiple three-person teams (2 from different schools) become a reality I will try and get coaches together to make two-person hybrids out of their extra debaters. AWARDS: Teams reaching the elimination debates will receive awards. An appropriate number of speaker awards will be given in each division as well. Collapsed divisions if it has to happen will still be awarded based on finish in comparison to other teams from the less experienced division that was collapsed. We will once again present the Dr. Amy Fugate Leadership Award to a member of CEDA who has distinguished service and leadership in the organization. Previous recipients were ML Sandoz, Jeff Jarman, Eric Morris, Neil Berch and Gordon Stables. We will once again present the Coaches Award, typically designated for an assistant coach, to show appreciation for those who work so hard to keep our programs going. Previous recipients were Heather Walters, James Taylor, Matt Moore, Jason Russell and Louie Petit. We will present the Newcomer Award to any program coming to our tournament for the first time, and the Long Distance Award to the program traveling the farthest to be with us. We will award the Top 3 Critics as voted on by the competitors. We will award 1 team in each Division as ?representing the best there is in competition? as voted on by the competitors. BRACKETS: Brackets will not be broken in elimination debates. HOTEL INFO: There are a number of hotel options near the campus. In the past we have used the Microtel Inn and Suites as a tournament hotel. The Microtel is no longer in operation. That may shock some of you! In its place is a newly renovated, newly managed Days Inn property. I have toured the property and am very pleased with the property, the management, and the levels of service. The changes, including an upgraded computer system for registration, are top notch. The property is within 5 minutes of campus. Please make reservations ASAP. The hotel is located right off of I70 and 78th St exit in Kansas City (Exit #414). For that weekend they are offering the following rates as of today: $79.99 for Doubles $74.99 for Singles $94.99 for Basic Suites $108.99 for Upgraded Suites with pullout sofas. Their number is (913)334-3028. Their fax number is (913)334-5983. They are located at 7721 Elizabeth St. Kansas City, KS 66112. Other hotels: The Comfort Inn and Suites (on the other side of I70 from the Microtel) is about 5 minutes from campus. Their number is 913-299-5555 The Holiday Inn Express (located in the Legends Shopping Center at Village West) is 10 minutes from the College. This hotel is relatively new, very nice, and right in the middle of shopping and dining mecca! Their number is 913-328-1024. The Holiday Inn Express (On I70 in Bonner Springs) is about 10-15 minutes from the College. Their number is 913-721-5300. The Hampton Inn (located in the Legends Shopping Center at Village West) is 10 minutes from the College. Also very new and very nice, it is located in the heart of shopping and dining. Their number is 913-328-1400. Comfort Suites has just opened a brand new property at the Legends at Village West, just adjacent to the T-Bones Minor League baseball stadium. TRANSPORTATION: If you are flying in to KCI and need a shuttle to the hotel, please let me know immediately. If you are driving from the East: Take I70 through Kansas City, MO and into Kansas City, KS. You will see signs for KCKCC just before the turn off for the campus. You want to take the Turner Diagonal/Highway 40 Exit. Stay to the right onto Highway 40. Stay on until State Avenue. Turn left onto State and at the first right, which is College Blvd., turn right into the college. Follow the road around (please don't hit our ducks) until you see the Humanities building on your right. Park anywhere you can find a space in front of the section of the building labeled ?JEWELL?. Enter the Jewell building, proceed down the hallway past Admissions and Financial Aid. Once you reach the end of the hall, take a left to the Upper Level Lounge. If you are driving from the West: Take I70 to Kansas City and take the Highway 40 exit. You will be driving under the Turner Diagonal then rounding back on to it heading North. When you come to State Avenue turn left. The entrance to KCKCC will be on your immediate right at College Blvd. Once turning on to College Blvd. follow the road around (please don't hit our ducks) until you see the Humanities building on your right. Park anywhere you can find a space in front of the section of the building labeled ?JEWELL?. Enter the Jewell building, proceed down the hallway past Admissions and Financial Aid. Once you reach the end of the hall, take a left to the Upper Level Lounge. If you are coming from the North or South: Take I35 until you reach I70. Take I70 and follow the first set of directions listed above. PARKING: You will not be ticketed by parking in the lot in front of Humanities or Jewell Friday, Saturday, or Sunday unless you park in a Handicapped or Reserved stall. All unmarked and Visitor stalls are fine to park in. You also need to park head-in to avoid being ticketed. SEXUAL HARRASSMENT: The CEDA statement on Sexual Harassment will be upheld. A tournament harassment committee will be appointed to deal with any issues that arise. STATE LAW: All tournament participants, coaches and judges are expected to adhere to the laws of the State of Kansas. Alcohol and illegal substance consumption on campus is strictly prohibited by these laws and will result in removal from the tournament. ENTERING THE TOURNAMENT: Entry on the Bruschke website (debateresults.com) is the preferred method of entry. You can also email me your entry if you prefer. Faxing is also an option using the form below. It and mailing your entries are the least preferred and trusted methods of entry. Once you enter I will email you a confirmation. If you do not receive this confirmation, please email me. If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to call or email me. We hope to see you in October in Kansas City. Darren Elliott KCKCC 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 delliott at kckcc.edu (913)288-7295 office (913)288-7638 fax (316)214-9502 cell KCKCC Team Policy Entry Form-return to Darren Elliott School ____________________________________ Coach ____________________________________ Address ____________________________________ Office # ____________________________________ Home # ____________________________________ Fax ____________________________________ Email ____________________________________ Open Division: (use more space if necessary) 1. ________________________________and_____________________________ 2. ________________________________and_____________________________ 3. ________________________________and_____________________________ 4. ________________________________and_____________________________ Junior Varsity Division: (use more space if necessary) 1._____________________________and_________________________________ 2._____________________________and_________________________________ 3._____________________________and_________________________________ 4._____________________________and_________________________________ Novice Division: (use more space if necessary) 1._____________________________and_________________________________ 2._____________________________and_________________________________ 3._____________________________and_________________________________ 4._____________________________and_________________________________ Judges: Please indicate commitment for each judge and any team restrictions. 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080916/4b4d08bb/attachment.htm From scottelliott at grandecom.net Wed Sep 17 15:29:39 2008 From: scottelliott at grandecom.net (scottelliott at grandecom.net) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:29:39 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Pitt's new policy is confusing Message-ID: <1221683379.48d168b397875@webmail.grandecom.net> Pitt's PR department says that Pitt is no longer particpating in CEDA debate. However, it appears Pitt will be at the Clarion Tournament. Clarion is a CEDA sanctioned tournament. I think if the Pitt Adminstrators are going to blame CEDA for the performances of six people, it is incumbent that they realize that almost every policy debate tournament in the Country is a "CEDA tournament." 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Mitchell Associate Professor of Communication Director, William Pitt Debating Union University of Pittsburgh CL 1117, 4200 Fifth Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15260 Phone: (412) 624-8531 Fax: (412) 624-1878 http://www.pitt.edu/~gordonm/ From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu Wed Sep 17 16:22:03 2008 From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:22:03 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] UNLV RR awards Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080917/8bf1d945/attachment.htm From daisy_verney at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:05:41 2008 From: daisy_verney at hotmail.com (Danielle Verney) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:05:41 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for judging for Clarion Message-ID: Navy will need at least one full commitment, maybe more. If you've got rounds, let me know. We pay in cash at the tournament. We can also house and feed you if need be. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080917/380a172d/attachment.htm From andy.edebate at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 10:41:20 2008 From: andy.edebate at gmail.com (Andy Ellis) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:41:20 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Results from the Baltimore College Debate Season Opener Message-ID: <9368bc9b0809160841g6a4e0529qbd13a06b565a0365@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Here are the results of a tournament i very much enjoyed hosting. We had 21 teams of all experience levels. One big pool with breakouts for jv and novice. We cleared to a partial Octo Here we go we will start with novice and jv speakers Top Novice Speakers 1. Sid Janamanchi (New York U.) 2. Elaine Zhou (New York U.) 3. Janice Li (New York U.) 4. 4. Jeremy Zimmerman (West Virginia) * * Top JV speakers 1. Sarah Gehrke (Richmond) 2. Erica Vaughn (Towson) 3. Valeria Jones (Towson) *4. *Amit Patel (West Virginia) 5. Megan Coffman (West Virginia) JV Final Round WVU IW Defeats Towson PW 2-1 Novice Final Round West Conn BS Defeats WVU PZ on a 2-1 Open Partial Octas New yourk AJ defeats West Virginia CP on a 2-1 Towson IJ Defeats New York LZ on 3-0 Quarters Drexel Swarthmore DK Defeats New York AJ on a 2-1 Towson EM Over Towson IJ Richmond DF Vs Richmond DG Towson KO Defeats Richmond BK on a 3-0 Semi's Towson EM over Richmond* Drexel/Swarthmore DK over Towson KO 2-1 Finals Towson EM over Drexel Swarthmore DK* The final round diod not take place, Drexel Swarthmore made the reasonable decison to leave and get home safely instead of starting a final round after 11:00. While as a debate tournament this is a victory for towson, if it where wrestling a belt would not have changed hands. So from now on in addition to a tournament championship there will also be a belt. I know this idea isnt original, but i dont much care, anyway the next time towson em hits drexel swarthmore dk the winner will get a yet to be named belt...details to follow. The Top 10 Speakers 10. Callie Dowdy -Richmond 9. Michael Stark-WVU 8 Jen Donohue- Richmond 7. Ricky Deck-Drexel 6.Fernando Kirkman-Towson 5.Ignacio Evans- Towson 4.Ben Morgan-Towson 3.Bobby Kim- Swarthmore 2. Mycal Bell-Richmond 1. Hong Mei Pang-Towson Thanks to Samantha Godbey for judging and extra round late into the evening, Daryl Burch, Shauntrice Martin, Barbora Ondruskova, Rob Hewes, and Najib Jammal, for adding a ton of extra judging to the tournament, and everybody else who was willing to volunteer additional rounds, Thanks to Beth Skinner and the Towson Team, for what at this point amounts to volunteering support for an event they technicaly provide space for...thank you all for the work to make the tournament run. The next tournament in Baltimore is Nov 1 & 2 We look forward to seeing many of you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080916/7f7d200b/attachment.htm From chairman.maurer at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:38:24 2008 From: chairman.maurer at gmail.com (Samuel Maurer) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:38:24 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Judging at the Pflaum Message-ID: <7fd76c680809171538q361c06a4n52a454946a94b568@mail.gmail.com> Anyone who isn't travelling the weekend of Emporia's tournament interested in judging? We can pay you, put you up, and cover a reasonable amount of travel expense. Lemme know. -- Samuel A. Maurer Director of Debate Emporia State University From oguevara at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:51:06 2008 From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:51:06 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to Zaga! Message-ID: Hey Bulldogs, the Wildcats had a great time in Spokane! Thanks specifically for: 1. the low entry fees 2. the free breakfast goodies and above average lunches 3. the case book 4. the incredible hospitality 5. and the well run, efficient, tournament experience. At $129 per round ($3,116/24 rounds of debating), the Zaga experience is among the best value-leader of west coast tournaments. OG Omar G Guevara II Director of Forensics Department of Communication College of Arts & Humanities Weber State University Ogden, Utah 801.626.6220 (Office) 801.668.6910 (Cell) Oguevara at hotmail.com Oguevara at weber.edu PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have left the numbers for each category the same. -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From debate.gsu at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 21:02:01 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:02:01 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Tournament Info Packet Message-ID: We're trying to cut down a bit on paper waste by releasing our pre-tournament info packet digitally. This packet includes a tournament schedule, directions, internet information, and links to our restaurant guides (now on Google Maps). Please download this and/or distribute the link to your teams. We're not going to have very many paper copies on hand at registration. Link: http://www.gsudebate.org/events_at_gsu/gsu_college_tournament_info.pdf Dr. Joe Bellon Director of Debate Georgia State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Once again the requirements for the various categories has not changed. Mike -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From ralph.paone at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 20:38:47 2008 From: ralph.paone at gmail.com (Ralph Paone) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:38:47 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Gonzaga results? Message-ID: <86f9bd6d0809151838k1d99c01dy394729c697cd450b@mail.gmail.com> sorry if repetitive. results? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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REALLY when the post closes with "repectfully" it is meant whole heartedly.... the rest is just being silly in the hopes that occasionally being silly about something that seems relatively uncontroversial might still be acceptable. i know that we, as a community, have had a really really rough summer. i just wanted to lighten the mood a little(or see if it could be lightened) with a post that i thought couldn't be construed as grossly offensive by nature of its subject matter. those who backchanneled me are, of course, absolutely correct... im a bratty idiot... please dont mind me... and those who are engaged in this conversation should not think that i harbor animosity toward them or the steps they are taking to make debate better... sincerely, smfd -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Attending any events inside the Hyatt will require crossing that picket line. The hotel next door, the Marriot, is not being picketed, and many events are being moved there. Where will the NDT and CEDA meetings be? Matt Stannard _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Snider aka Tuna Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics University of Vermont Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu World Debate Institute http://debate.uvm.edu/wdi/ World Debate Institute Blog http://worlddebateinstitute.blogspot.com 802-656-0097 office telephone 802-656-4275 office fax From debate.gsu at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:18:21 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:18:21 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Tournament -- Registration location & JV/Novice elim clarification Message-ID: Registration on Friday will start at 6 pm, and will take place in room 1204 of the Marriott Century Center Hotel. For those of you bringing JV and novice debaters, you might be a bit confused by our elim situation. Here is what our plan is: Barring further drops, we will clear a full quarterfinal (8 teams) in JV. Quarters will take place during Open round 7. Semis during round 8. Finals will take place during Open octofinals (we don't have enough rooms or judges to do it during doubles). We will clear at least to a full quarterfinal in novice. During registration, we will be soliciting input from those of you who are bringing novice teams as to how you want us to proceed with novice elims. Our two choices are: first, we could clear a full quarterfinal (8 teams). That would proceed exactly like JV in terms of what rounds would take place when. Our second option is to clear half the field (14 teams, as of right now). We would Have octofinals during Open round 7. Quarters during round 8. Semis during Open octofinals. Finals during Open quarters. In the past, the majority of teams have leaned toward the first option because they did not want to stay through the end of Open quarters. We will take all feedback under advisement, then make a decision we think best reflects both the desires of the participants and our needs in terms of conference room space. We will make an announcement about this as soon as possible. Dr. Joe Bellon Director of Debate Georgia State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080918/9d8f8918/attachment.htm From davismk13 at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 11:09:51 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:09:51 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] One more judge Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809180909i877b5f8p748bd667743e82a7@mail.gmail.com> Please add Stephen Davis to your rankings. I have not changed the numbers required of each category as we add judges which means you can place all of your extra in category 8 if you want to. -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From mphall at liberty.edu Thu Sep 18 12:13:39 2008 From: mphall at liberty.edu (Hall, Michael P. (Debate)) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:13:39 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to Hire Judges for Clarion Message-ID: <17328617EA180D4AAEFC0852B21B61F4DB56081E@LUEMS01VS.University.liberty.edu> We pay well and will give you cash at the tournament. We can cover food and hotel if necessary. mph [cid:image003.jpg at 01C91990.5DC64630] Michael P. Hall Director of Debate Liberty University 1971 University Blvd. Lynchburg, VA 24502 Ph: (434) 582-2080 Fx: (434) 582-2113 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We appreciate and respect the varied views that have been expressed and the passions surrounding these perspectives. NCA hopes that these concerns and passions can fuel a productive and professional debate and discussion about how associations coexist in our society with other not-for-profit organizations involved in advocacy issues. Those of us occupying leadership positions in NCA remain committed to the principles of debate, discussion and dialogue as expressed in our May 2008 CRTNET posting. These principles have been expressed in many NCA policies (available at http://www.natcom.org/nca/Template2.asp?bid=510). It is in that spirit that we are honoring our agreement with the Manchester Grand Hyatt hotel in San Diego. In that same spirit, we have responded to member needs by highlighting programs on marriage, partnerships and commitments in the convention program schedule offering the expertise of scholars and researchers on marriage and close relationships within our discipline to the San Diego community inviting Mr. Manchester, whose donation to a California ballot initiative to ban gay marriage sparked a national debate, to attend the spotlight panels asking communication departments in California to host community forums on issues of defining marriage as an opportunity for voters to share and express a diversity of opinions. While Mr. Manchester is one of several owners of the property, he does not speak for Hyatt Hotels, which is fully responsible for the day-to-day operations of the site of the NCA meeting. Hyatt?s commitment to the GLBT community has resulted in awards from the Human Rights Campaign (the largest GLBT advocacy group in America) Advocate Magazine DiversityInc.com. Advocate Magazine and DiversityInc.com named Hyatt one of the most Gay-friendly employers in the U.S. Hyatt is also a supporter of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLADD) International Gay Lesbian Travel Association (IGLTA). Unfortunately, two unrelated issues associated with the Manchester Hyatt have been conflated and there is much false information and speculation being circulated. The issue that has arisen more recently concerns hotel workers. Unite Here! has made a number of claims about the hotel?s work policies. Hyatt refutes charges made about the treatment of hotel workers that has aroused the concern of some members of NCA. They point out that Manchester Grand Hyatt employees are not striking nor participating in picket lines. Also, we think it is important for our members to understand that all of our meeting rooms are scheduled in the Hyatt. There are no rooms outside the Hyatt to which we could move meetings and panels. The volume of communication (e.g. CRTNET posts, email, etc.) thus far suggests that our members hold a wide variety of views on both of these issues. Indeed, the Executive Committee members collectively and individually understand the difficulty of this issue especially given the diversity represented on our board in regard to sexual identity. Y However, We appreciate the passion and candor that has marked the discussion thus far and we acknowledge the right of each member to make her or his own decision about attending the convention, hotel selection at the convention and program attendance. Regardless of which dof open dialogue, discussion and debate that are central to our discipline. The Executive Committee and the Executive Director From debate.gsu at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 15:35:12 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:35:12 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Bring ethernet cables to GSU Message-ID: As our pre-tournament information packet ( http://www.gsudebate.org/events_at_gsu/gsu_college_tournament_info.pdf) makes clear, the Marriott has put routers in many of the hotel rooms so that multiple folks can connect to the internet at once. However, they don't have 4 ethernet cables per room. If you're planning on having more than 1 person online in your hotel room at once, you might want to pack an extra ethernet cable or two. -Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyways, wanted to answer Matt's question. chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate and Forensics Kansas City Kansas Community College CEDA President From bmoreboi325 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 18:29:42 2008 From: bmoreboi325 at yahoo.com (Deven) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] NDT round 7 Towson v. Missouri state Message-ID: <743411.19051.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi does anyone have that video preferably from Missouri State? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GARY From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Fri Sep 19 12:54:56 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:54:56 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by U.S. Military Academy Message-ID: Name:West Point Invitational Starts:10/17/2008 Ends:10/19/2008 Hosted by: U.S. Military Academy Contact: Address: Department of Social Sciences / 607 Cullum Road / West Point, NY 10997 Phone: 845-938-3411 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters JV with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From drmosbornesq at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 19:22:34 2008 From: drmosbornesq at gmail.com (bandana martin) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:22:34 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] NDT round 7 Towson v. Missouri state Message-ID: <39c09a80809191722h29632f87v41260a45eeadd1b6@mail.gmail.com> lollerskates -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080919/f24ad49a/attachment.htm From Pacedebate at aol.com Sat Sep 20 10:50:34 2008 From: Pacedebate at aol.com (Pacedebate at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:50:34 EDT Subject: [eDebate] College Preview Program Message-ID: To the College Debate Community: You are cordially invited to attend the 2008 College Debate Preview at the Heart of Texas Invitational. The preview offers representatives from college debate programs the opportunity to talk with high school seniors about debating in college. The preview will be held during the Heart of Texas Invitational Debate and Speech Tournament in Dallas, Texas during the weekend of October 16-19, 2008. Last year over 100 high schools from more than 30 states attended the tournament. College representatives from programs all over the United States were also in attendance. It would be our honor to host representatives from your school this year. Colleges attending the preview are offered two full pages of advertising (no charge) in the tournament program. The ad pages should be sent to me (camera ready) so that they arrive no later than October 9th. Traditionally, ad pages have included a one page letter from the director, and one page of "college propaganda" about the school. You may format your two pages in any way that you think would be helpful to your recruiting efforts--as long as it is camera ready, and I get it by the 9th. There isn't a formal schedule for the College Preview Program. We do open a room between rounds five and six on Saturday morning to create a place for students to meet with representatives however you are free to watch rounds, talk with students, visit with friends, feed yourself in the coaches lounge, and visit our campus and our city. If you are willing to judge a round or two it would be sincerely appreciated however you shouldn't feel any pressure to do so. If you or your representative would like to judge for money (to help pay for the trip) then please contact me, Tim Mahoney (pacedebate at aol.com) and I will be happy to help with those arrangements. If you would like to stay at the tournament hotel please make reservations as soon as possible. Our block fills up quickly and the deadline for reservations is Sept. 24. We will again use the Westin Park Central as our tournament hotel. The hotel is located at 12720 Merit Drive in Dallas. You may call the reservations department at 1-888-627-7032 and request the St. Mark's School of Texas program to receive the tournament rate of $97 per night. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me. Tim Mahoney Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas 10600 Preston Road Dallas, TX 75230 214-346-8141 214-734-3673 cell 425-740-9130 fax **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MS GCB 709 Serrano, Nicole Georgia HW Kansas (univ. Of) BJ GCB 317 Pennington, Nata Harvard BP Michigan State Univ. EL GCB 703 Luechtefeld, Sea Harvard BR Louisville PW GCB 617 Antonucci, Micha Harvard JP Richmond (univ. Of) FL GCB 315 Mills, Rob Harvard RS Idaho State JM GCB 603 Hamraie, Aimi Iowa DO Appalachian State FL GCB 229 Lacy, J.p. James Madison EL Kentucky CG GCB 323 Ryan, Nick James Madison HP Emory MoSw GCB 327 Peterson, Jason Kansas (univ. Of) KQ BYE Kansas (univ. Of) PS Emory EL GCB 721 Watson, Hays Kansas State GH West Georgia XX GCB 303 Roland, James Liberty University BH Emory CaMa Sparks 303 Souders, Mick Liberty University DG West Georgia MS GCB 301 Atchison, Jarrod Liberty University OT Trinity University AM GCB 227 Keenan, Dylan Mary Washington KS Dartmouth AB Sparks 305 Sun, Chris Michigan State Univ. AW Baylor CM GCB 215 Downing, Jamie Michigan State Univ. BK Samford BG Sparks 302 Hall, Michael Michigan State Univ. GS Wake Forest BZ GCB 627 Solt, Roger Michigan University LZ Emory IP GCB 719 Smith, Ross Minnesota CN Emory BP Sparks 301 Green, Justin Missouri State FW Redlands LM GCB 429 Lee, Ed Nevada Las Vegas CE Case Western MW GCB 715 Weitz, Michael Nevada Las Vegas CM Baylor BJ GCB 201 Evans, Kirk North Texas (univ.) CP Texas-dallas LR GCB 501 Davis, James Northwestern BB Liberty University FW GCB 321 Hardy, Aaron Northwestern FW Kansas State MZ GCB 601 Foy, John Northwestern KS Harvard KL Sparks 307 Gonzalez, Joshua Northwestern MS Trinity University BaHa GCB 223 Ramakrishnan, Va Richmond (univ. Of) DF Michigan State Univ. KM GCB 705 Saloom, Rachel Texas CM Kentucky GO Sparks 306 Abbott, Blake Towson EM Texas-dallas BR GCB 431 Bowman, Pamela Towson JM Louisville MR GCB 621 Kish, G. Towson KO Harvard KS Sparks 308 Bruce, Caitlin Trinity University BE Vanderbilt HW GCB 701 Russell, Jason Trinity University BrHa Wayne State Universi KM GCB 517 Mabrey, Paul Vanderbilt BN Kentucky GG GCB 325 Nagy, John Wake Forest DM North Texas (univ.) MR GCB 707 Koehle, Joe Wayne State Universi GP Wake Forest MS GCB 631 Andre, Ross Weber State Univ. DL Wake Forest ChCh GCB 623 Schirmer, Abby West Georgia BS Central Oklahoma (un CS GCB 218 Ridley, Sean Whitman College CS Georgia HN GCB 401 Hall, Heather Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Junior Varsity Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 1 -- START TIME: ASAP Emory DS James Madison NS Sparks 311 Hahn, Taylor Emory L Liberty University AJ Sparks 327 Mader, Susan Florida State CP Miami (florida) BF Sparks 322 Davis, Stephen Liberty University GW Case Western MM Sparks 321 Petersen, Brett Louisiana-lafayette BS BYE Louisiana-lafayette CM Emory CL Sparks 324 Lind, Stephen Louisiana-lafayette DM Emory CoMo Sparks 326 Richter, Nicole Miami (florida) NR Liberty University BP Sparks 328 Barnes, Heather Samford JL Louisiana-lafayette PS Sparks 320 Bowers, Jeremy Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Novice Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 1 -- START TIME: ASAP Appalachian State TV Liberty University ME Sparks 428 Baker, Ryan Emory JS Miami (florida) RR Sparks 330 Eckstein, Justin Emory KR Vanderbilt KM Sparks 424 Mathis, Erik Emory OW Piedmont College BR Sparks 422 Halydier, Garret Liberty University AA Piedmont College IM Sparks 421 Scott, Elliott Liberty University HL Florida JR Sparks 420 Skinner, Beth Liberty University TT Emory CN Sparks 432 Schraeder, Jenni Louisiana-lafayette CS Liberty University CD Sparks 430 Barnes (williams Louisiana-lafayette MW Florida BO Sparks 329 Bush, Randall Piedmont College HR South Florida St. Pet BT Sparks 425 Beier, Ian South Florida St. Pet DL Liberty University HK Sparks 426 Radford, Jamie Vanderbilt AO Piedmont College EB Sparks 423 Willis, Kris Vanderbilt GC Liberty University DT Sparks 427 Denissen, Nick -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From davismk13 at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 11:33:33 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:33:33 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU - Round 2 Pairings Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809200933l21e6a644k192e78bd0ecbf7fb@mail.gmail.com> Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Open Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 2 -- START TIME: ASAP Appalachian State FL Vanderbilt BN GCB 325 Scott, Elliott Baylor BJ Central Oklahoma (un HS GCB 529 Massey, Jackie Baylor CM Georgia HW GCB 317 Hester, Mike Baylor FH Michigan University LZ GCB 719 Ramakrishnan, Va Case Western MW Harvard BR GCB 617 Hamraie, Aimi Central Oklahoma (un CS Richmond (univ. Of) DF GCB 705 Skinner, Beth Dartmouth AB Michigan State Univ. AW GCB 215 Paul, Jonathan Emory BP George Mason Univers HO GCB 700 Souders, Mick Emory CaMa Texas CM Sparks 306 Donald Durkee, J Emory EL Florida KS GCB 231 Atchison, Jarrod Emory IP Baylor MN Sparks 304 Sedelmyer, Chris Emory MT Missouri State FW GCB 429 Schirmer, Abby Emory MoSw Northwestern KS Sparks 307 Matheson, Calum Florida State RS Wayne State Universi GP GCB 631 Jairus, Grove George Mason Univers OR Michigan State Univ. BK Sparks 302 Lacy, J.p. Georgetown HZ Northwestern MS GCB 223 Thorpe, Ben Georgia HN Kansas (univ. Of) PS GCB 721 Peterson, Jason Georgia HP Georgetown FK GCB 629 Keenan, Dylan Harvard KL Weber State Univ. DL GCB 623 Silber, Marissa Harvard KS James Madison HP GCB 327 Repko, Will Idaho State JM Baylor LR GCB 503 Petit, Louie Iowa SV BYE James Madison CF Georgia BL GCB 625 Sun, Chris Kansas (univ. Of) BJ Emory GH GCB 329 Ryan, Nick Kansas (univ. Of) KQ West Georgia BS GCB 218 Davis, James Kansas State MZ Harvard JP GCB 315 Stevenson, Ron Kentucky CG Wake Forest DM GCB 707 Herro, Steve Kentucky GG Liberty University OT GCB 227 Downing, Jamie Kentucky GO Northwestern FW GCB 601 Heidt, David Liberty University FW Towson EM GCB 431 Manuel, Brian Louisville MR James Madison EL GCB 323 Petersen, Brett Louisville PW Harvard RS GCB 603 Bruce, Caitlin Michigan State Univ. EL Emory SW GCB 717 Mccaffrey, Kenny Michigan State Univ. KM Harvard BP GCB 703 Roland, James North Texas (univ.) MR Towson JM GCB 621 Regnier, Jason North Texas (univ.) MS Michigan State Univ. GS GCB 627 Antonucci, Micha Northwestern FG Liberty University BH Sparks 303 Andre, Ross Oklahoma DT Nevada Las Vegas CE GCB 715 Gagnon, Julian Oklahoma GW Florida MR GCB 403 Green, Justin Redlands LM Bard College CD GCB 615 Eckstein, Justin Richmond (univ. Of) FL Emory IN GCB 531 Serrano, Nicole Samford BG Liberty University DG GCB 301 Weitz, Michael Texas-dallas BR Iowa DO GCB 229 Cram Helwich, Da Texas-dallas LR Kansas State GH GCB 303 Radford, Jamie Towson CL Georgetown MR GCB 711 Varda, Scott Trinity University AM Towson KO Sparks 308 Bowers, Jeremy Trinity University BaHa Whitman College CS GCB 401 Lind, Stephen Vanderbilt HW Nevada Las Vegas CM GCB 201 Odekirk, Scott Wake Forest BZ Emory BF GCB 203 Murray, Athena Wake Forest CaCr Mary Washington KS Sparks 305 Mills, Rob Wake Forest ChCh Trinity University BE GCB 701 Koehle, Joe Wake Forest GL Dartmouth AH Sparks 300 Bauschard, Stefa Wake Forest MS Minnesota CN Sparks 301 Hall, Michael Wake Forest SS Georgia CS GCB 709 Brovero, Adrienn Wayne State Universi KM North Texas (univ.) CP GCB 501 Williams, Abi Wayne State Universi NP Trinity University BrHa GCB 517 Barnes, Heather West Georgia MS Northwestern BB GCB 321 Foy, John West Georgia XX Emory MS GCB 515 Mabrey, Paul Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Junior Varsity Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 2 -- START TIME: ASAP Case Western MM BYE Emory CL Miami (florida) NR Sparks 328 Roberts, Greg Emory CoMo Florida State CP Sparks 322 Mathis, Erik James Madison NS Liberty University GW Sparks 321 Willis, Kris Liberty University AJ Louisiana-lafayette DM Sparks 326 Baker, Ryan Liberty University BP Emory DS Sparks 311 Schraeder, Jenni Louisiana-lafayette BS Samford JL Sparks 320 Hall, Heather Louisiana-lafayette PS Emory L Sparks 327 Green, Rj Miami (florida) BF Louisiana-lafayette CM Sparks 324 Barnes (williams Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Novice Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 2 -- START TIME: ASAP Emory CN Louisiana-lafayette CS Sparks 430 Holbrook, Daniel Florida BO Liberty University HL Sparks 420 Schweri, John Florida JR Vanderbilt GC Sparks 427 Smith, Trinya Liberty University CD Louisiana-lafayette MW Sparks 329 Beier, Ian Liberty University DT Emory KR Sparks 424 Mader, Susan Liberty University HK Vanderbilt AO Sparks 423 Pennington, Nata Liberty University ME Piedmont College HR Sparks 425 Denissen, Nick Miami (florida) RR Liberty University TT Sparks 432 Luechtefeld, Sea Piedmont College BR South Florida St. Pet DL Sparks 426 Davis, Stephen Piedmont College EB Emory OW Sparks 422 Dease, Zach Piedmont College IM Appalachian State TV Sparks 428 Kish, G. 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080920/22c197c4/attachment.htm From ceren at usc.edu Sat Sep 20 13:59:40 2008 From: ceren at usc.edu (Omri Ceren) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:59:40 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] peopleless debate In-Reply-To: <9b5963440809142323t7c3845efk7020474498a9afe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b5963440809142323t7c3845efk7020474498a9afe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D5481C.6000609@usc.edu> Hi Stephen, You've presented a list of potential technological innovations which I think are very interesting. Unfortunately, I'm concerned that much of what you say about actually existing technology is either unrealistic or confused. I've tried to add my contributions below. On 9/14/2008 11:23 PM, stephen davis wrote: > why haven't we taught computers to flow for us yet? Because it turns out that the technology for speech-to-text is really difficult to implement. Voice inflections, speed differences, etc mean that software needs to be trained for hours if not days to get even close. There are telephony companies investing heavily in this technology, but they've been running into what seem to be fundamental barriers related to how the human mind parses out sounds into words. > i mean why are we even traveling when really debate could happen over > real time feeds on the interwebs. or even in email... Certainly this is an idea, and I think that Tuna has had some luck with it. My concern with this suggestion is that policy debate has always been tied to a relatively particular disciplinary history that vitiates against your suggestion. Remember that speech communication departments broke off from English in the 1920s and 1930s precisely because they insisted that critics must take into account physical presence - human speakers and audiences - to understand how persuasion occurs. This intuition has been formulated in more robust terms by semioticians who have recently taken the so-called corporeal turn. > i could judge debates from here provided i got a hold of the right > software. If we accept that we want physical debaters - and, again, I think that disciplinary intuition and contemporary theory are strongly inclined in such a direction - then I don't think you'd want to do this because it would be difficult for you to coach your teams remotely. I'm also not sure that the technology is up to it yet - bandwidth concerns, etc - although you'd be right to point out that that's not in principle an objection. > i really dont know why we would stop at robot judges. why An excellent question, and one that fits in - albeit perhaps awkwardly - into recent philosophical work about "perfection." Michael Sandel's work on this is particularly to the point, and I suggest it to you so that you can "know why we would stop at robot judges." > dont we write programming that will simulate debaters and will > produce args that coaches write and the robots can just download > into the mainframe in Jim Hansons basement. its uncanny to me that Well I'm not sure why we'd build physical robots to do the downloading (and this statement, coupled with some stuff above, makes me suspect that you have an incomplete grasp the technological systems that you're discussing - which would certainly be unusual for a critic of technology). But to answer your question: I think that simulating debaters would not achieve the pedagogical purpose of training real debaters. > any poor misguided fools ever thought of debate as something of an > organic process wherein people do stuff... doin stuff is, thanks to > this innovation, totally over rated. everyone knows all the best I don't think that's true. I think that technological sophistication helps us rate doin stuff accurately. > stuff is made by robots. why wouldn't the best debate be made by > robots. if someone misses the viceral and corporeal they could > prolly grow vocal cords in a lab and hook them up to a talking > machine or something... this is great... whitman should be applauded Actually I think this cuts the other way. The moral philosophers who investigate the the moral inclinations of the "yuck factor" would, I think, suggest that people who miss the "visceral and the corporeal" would be against growing vocal cords in a lab. But perhaps your suggestion could be justified by a different philosophical traditoin. > for this feat... in ten years debate will be a software writers job > that could foster another tech boom and save us all from having to > think and act in accordance with those thoughts so we can have more Well this is actually an interesting question: would there be a qualitative difference between having thoughts "directly" downloaded into your brain and you having your "own" thoughts. There are at least two contours to this debate that certainly problematize your objection. The first is the idea that the mind is *already* an epiphenomenon of the brain - you don't "act in accordance" with your thoughts as much as have thoughts that result from "watching" your actions. The implications for free will are obvious and potentially disturbing, but that doesn't allow us to ignore the bulk of recent brain scan studies which indicate the plausibility of this hypothesis. The second contour is a subjectivization problem, which Zizek brings up in the context of a rat experiment: imagine an experiment in which electrodes in a rats brain can, with 100% consistency, allow scientists to turn the rat right or left. How does it feel to the rat when that happens? Does he experience it as an outside compulsion, or does he find himself willing himself to move as if they were "his own thoughts." You can see how - from both of these examples - the Huxlean scenario of not "having to think and act in accordance with those thoughts" may actually be another phrase for "the human condition." > time to cook crystal meth and pretend that anybody cares that paper > is obsolete in walla walla... cant wait till unsliced bread comes out > and disposible television and rice crispies without all that > annoying cracking and popping... 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Of) DF GCB 705 Pennington, Nata Case Western MW Liberty University DG GCB 301 Gonzalez, Joshua Central Oklahoma (un CS Georgia HP GCB 629 Roland, James Dartmouth AB Towson KO Sparks 308 greenwalt, dusti Emory BF Louisville MR GCB 323 Bruce, Caitlin Emory EL Iowa DO GCB 229 Donald Durkee, J Emory IN Iowa SV GCB 531 Mosley-jensen, W Emory MS Nevada Las Vegas CE GCB 715 Peterson, Jason Emory MT Florida KS GCB 231 Stahl, Greta Emory MoSw Bard College CD GCB 615 Koehle, Joe Florida MR Emory GH GCB 625 Sedelmyer, Chris George Mason Univers HO Liberty University BH Sparks 305 Lacy, J.p. Georgetown FK George Mason Univers OR GCB 703 Smith, Ross Georgetown HZ Redlands LM GCB 223 Sun, Chris Georgia BL Michigan State Univ. AW GCB 215 Solt, Roger Georgia HN Appalachian State FL GCB 325 Brovero, Adrienn Harvard BP Baylor FH GCB 719 Johnson, Paul Harvard JP Wake Forest DM GCB 707 Nagy, John Harvard KL Emory IP Sparks 304 Atchison, Jarrod Harvard KS Kansas (univ. Of) PS GCB 721 Hamraie, Aimi Harvard RS Wake Forest ChCh GCB 327 Ryan, Nick James Madison CF Michigan State Univ. EL GCB 717 Osborn, Martin James Madison EL Michigan State Univ. BK Sparks 302 Lee, Ed James Madison HP Baylor CM GCB 317 Ketchum, Scott Kansas (univ. Of) BJ Samford BG GCB 329 Ramachandrappa, Kansas State GH Dartmouth AH Sparks 300 Russell, Jason Kentucky CG Texas CM Sparks 306 Bowers, Jeremy Kentucky GG Emory SW GCB 621 Schirmer, Abby Kentucky GO Central Oklahoma (un HS GCB 529 Kuswa, Kevin Liberty University FW Weber State Univ. DL GCB 623 Stevenson, Ron Mary Washington KS Trinity University BrHa GCB 517 Bowman, Pamela Michigan State Univ. KM Wake Forest BZ GCB 203 Thorpe, Ben Michigan University LZ Wayne State Universi GP GCB 631 Paul, Jonathan Minnesota CN Kansas State MZ GCB 315 Petit, Louie Nevada Las Vegas CM Northwestern KS Sparks 307 Heidt, David North Texas (univ.) MR Towson EM GCB 431 Odekirk, Scott North Texas (univ.) MS Trinity University BaHa GCB 401 Evans, Kirk Northwestern FW Wake Forest MS Sparks 301 Harris, Scott Northwestern MS Michigan State Univ. GS GCB 627 Hardy, Aaron Oklahoma DT Northwestern BB GCB 601 Davis, James Richmond (univ. Of) FL Vanderbilt HW GCB 201 Hall, Heather Texas-dallas LR Emory CaMa GCB 303 Murillo, Gabe Towson CL Liberty University OT GCB 227 Souders, Mick Towson JM Kansas (univ. Of) KQ GCB 218 Mabrey, Paul Trinity University AM Georgia CS GCB 709 Murray, Athena Trinity University BE Georgia HW GCB 701 Keenan, Dylan Vanderbilt BN Harvard BR GCB 617 Galloway, Ryan Wake Forest CaCr Northwestern FG Sparks 303 Ramakrishnan, Va Wake Forest GL Emory BP GCB 700 Manuel, Brian Wake Forest SS Missouri State FW GCB 429 Mills, Rob Wayne State Universi KM BYE Wayne State Universi NP Georgetown MR GCB 711 Repko, Will West Georgia BS North Texas (univ.) CP GCB 501 Cram Helwich, Da West Georgia MS Texas-dallas BR GCB 321 Matheson, Calum West Georgia XX Idaho State JM GCB 503 Bush, Randall Whitman College CS Oklahoma GW GCB 403 Foy, John Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Junior Varsity Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 3 -- START TIME: ASAP Emory CoMo Case Western MM Sparks 326 Dease, Zach Emory DS Louisiana-lafayette CM Sparks 324 Mader, Susan Emory L BYE Liberty University AJ Florida State CP Sparks 322 Willis, Kris Louisiana-lafayette BS James Madison NS Sparks 321 Mathis, Erik Louisiana-lafayette DM Emory CL Sparks 328 Halydier, Garret Miami (florida) BF Liberty University BP Sparks 311 Petersen, Brett Miami (florida) NR Louisiana-lafayette PS Sparks 327 Andre, Ross Samford JL Liberty University GW Sparks 320 Eckstein, Justin Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Novice Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 3 -- START TIME: ASAP Appalachian State TV Louisiana-lafayette MW Sparks 329 Rosen, Adam Florida BO Emory KR Sparks 420 Denissen, Nick Florida JR Liberty University DT Sparks 424 Schweri, John Liberty University AA Miami (florida) RR Sparks 432 Baker, Ryan Liberty University CD Piedmont College EB Sparks 421 Skinner, Beth Liberty University HL South Florida St. Pet DL Sparks 426 Downing, Jamie Liberty University ME Emory JS Sparks 330 Schraeder, Jenni Liberty University TT Vanderbilt GC Sparks 427 Beier, Ian Louisiana-lafayette CS BYE Piedmont College BR Liberty University HK Sparks 423 Scott, Elliott South Florida St. Pet BT Emory CN Sparks 430 Kish, G. Vanderbilt AO Emory OW Sparks 422 Lind, Stephen Vanderbilt KM Piedmont College IM Sparks 428 Carlton, Cassie Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Open Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 4 -- START TIME: ASAP Appalachian State FL Richmond (univ. Of) FL GCB 201 Barnes (williams Bard College CD Emory EL GCB 229 Odekirk, Scott Baylor CM Florida MR GCB 625 Tews, Richard Baylor FH Wayne State Universi NP GCB 711 Green, Justin Central Oklahoma (un HS Georgetown HZ GCB 223 Kirk, Justin Dartmouth AH James Madison CF GCB 717 Lacy, J.p. Emory BP Northwestern FW Sparks 301 Repko, Will Emory CaMa Michigan State Univ. KM GCB 203 Watson, Hays Emory GH James Madison HP GCB 317 Hall, Heather Emory IP West Georgia MS GCB 321 Murillo, Gabe Emory SW Wake Forest SS GCB 429 Harris, Scott Florida KS BYE Florida State RS Georgia HN GCB 325 Petersen, Brett George Mason Univers OR Trinity University BE GCB 701 Gerber, Matt Georgetown MR James Madison EL Sparks 302 Sun, Chris Georgia CS Texas-dallas LR GCB 303 Downing, Jamie Georgia HP Emory MS GCB 715 Grayson, Bryan Georgia HW Oklahoma DT GCB 601 Ramakrishnan, Va Harvard BR Wake Forest CaCr Sparks 303 Ryan, Nick Idaho State JM Kansas State GH Sparks 300 Bowman, Pamela Iowa DO Baylor BJ GCB 603 Jordan, Todd Iowa SV Kansas (univ. Of) BJ GCB 329 Peterson, Jason Kansas (univ. Of) KQ Georgetown FK GCB 703 Cram Helwich, Da Kansas (univ. Of) PS Northwestern MS GCB 627 Galloway, Ryan Kansas State MZ Liberty University FW GCB 623 Silber, Marissa Liberty University BH Minnesota CN GCB 315 Hall, Sherry Liberty University DG George Mason Univers HO Sparks 305 Lee, Ed Liberty University OT Michigan University LZ GCB 631 Schirmer, Abby Louisville MR Dartmouth AB Sparks 308 Russell, Jason Louisville PW North Texas (univ.) MR GCB 431 Denissen, Nick Michigan State Univ. AW Harvard KL Sparks 304 Andre, Ross Michigan State Univ. BK Kentucky CG Sparks 306 Nagy, John Michigan State Univ. EL West Georgia XX GCB 503 Anders, Eli Michigan State Univ. GS Georgia BL GCB 215 Hall, Michael Missouri State FW West Georgia BS GCB 501 Gonzalez, Joshua Nevada Las Vegas CE Harvard BP GCB 719 Stevenson, Ron North Texas (univ.) CP Whitman College CS GCB 403 Herndon, Scott Northwestern BB Mary Washington KS GCB 517 Ramachandrappa, Northwestern FG Nevada Las Vegas CM Sparks 307 Foy, John Northwestern KS Vanderbilt BN GCB 617 Manuel, Brian Oklahoma GW Harvard RS GCB 327 Antonucci, Micha Redlands LM Kentucky GO GCB 529 Matheson, Calum Richmond (univ. Of) DF North Texas (univ.) MS GCB 401 Rosen, Adam Samford BG Wake Forest GL GCB 700 Murray, Athena Texas CM Towson JM GCB 218 Davis, James Texas-dallas BR Harvard KS GCB 721 Evans, Kirk Towson EM Emory MoSw GCB 615 Hill, Luke Towson KO Emory BF GCB 323 Buntin, Jeff Trinity University BaHa Baylor MN GCB 705 Petit, Louie Trinity University BrHa Central Oklahoma (un CS GCB 629 Patterson, Reyno Vanderbilt HW Emory MT GCB 231 Paul, Jonathan Wake Forest BZ Trinity University AM GCB 709 Hamraie, Aimi Wake Forest ChCh Kentucky GG GCB 621 Atchison, Jarrod Wake Forest DM Emory IN GCB 531 Osborn, Martin Wake Forest MS Harvard JP GCB 707 Hardy, Aaron Wayne State Universi GP Towson CL GCB 227 Koehle, Joe Wayne State Universi KM Baylor LR GCB 515 Spring, Sarah Weber State Univ. DL Case Western MW GCB 301 sharp, jon Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Junior Varsity Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 4 -- START TIME: ASAP Case Western MM Louisiana-lafayette DM Sparks 328 Dillard, Tiffany Emory CL Miami (florida) BF Sparks 311 Radford, Jamie Florida State CP Emory DS Sparks 324 Mabrey, Paul James Madison NS Emory L Sparks 327 Eckstein, Justin Liberty University BP Samford JL Sparks 320 Sedelmyer, Chris Liberty University GW Louisiana-lafayette BS Sparks 321 Barnes, Heather Louisiana-lafayette CM Liberty University AJ Sparks 322 Bowers, Jeremy Louisiana-lafayette PS Emory CoMo Sparks 326 Halydier, Garret Miami (florida) NR BYE Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Novice Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 4 -- START TIME: ASAP Emory CN Liberty University ME Sparks 428 Ridley, Sean Emory JS Appalachian State TV Sparks 329 Lind, Stephen Emory KR Piedmont College BR Sparks 421 Holbrook, Daniel Emory OW Liberty University HL Sparks 427 Baker, Ryan Florida BO BYE Liberty University DT South Florida St. Pet BT Sparks 424 Schraeder, Jenni Liberty University HK Louisiana-lafayette CS Sparks 330 Skinner, Beth Louisiana-lafayette MW Florida JR Sparks 420 Mathis, Erik Miami (florida) RR Liberty University CD Sparks 430 Willis, Kris Piedmont College EB Vanderbilt KM Sparks 422 Scott, Elliott Piedmont College IM Liberty University TT Sparks 425 Mills, Rob South Florida St. Pet DL Vanderbilt AO Sparks 423 Herro, Steve Vanderbilt GC Liberty University AA Sparks 426 Kish, G. From debate.gsu at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 17:01:18 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:01:18 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Lost & Found Message-ID: If you find a backpack, lost technology, cords, etc., bring them to GCB 320. -Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080920/95a131db/attachment.htm From stannardmatt at hotmail.com Sat Sep 20 23:33:51 2008 From: stannardmatt at hotmail.com (matt stannard) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:33:51 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to Gonzaga In-Reply-To: <6712233.1221671435035.JavaMail.emarlow@ucok.edu> References: <6712233.1221671435035.JavaMail.emarlow@ucok.edu> Message-ID: Sorry it's late but edebate has been a little weird this week. I wanted to join the chorus in thanking the Bulldogs. 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DL GCB 301 Koehle, Joe Emory CaMa Michigan University LZ GCB 631 Grayson, Bryan Emory GH Nevada Las Vegas CM Sparks 307 Souders, Mick Emory IP Michigan State Univ. AW Sparks 304 Watson, Hays Emory SW Missouri State FW GCB 501 Harrigan, Casey Florida MR Case Western MW GCB 421 Heidt, David Georgetown HZ George Mason Univers OR GCB 223 Keenan, Dylan Georgetown MR Kentucky GG GCB 621 Carroll, Jamie Georgia HN Baylor LR GCB 515 Paul, Jonathan Georgia HW Trinity University AM GCB 601 Anders, Eli Harvard BP Idaho State JM Sparks 300 Hester, Mike Harvard JP Kansas (univ. Of) BJ GCB 329 Ramakrishnan, Va Harvard RS Florida State RS GCB 325 Murillo, Gabe Iowa DO Northwestern FG GCB 603 Repko, Will Iowa SV Harvard BR GCB 500 Smith, Ross James Madison CF Louisville PW GCB 431 Roland, James James Madison EL Emory MT GCB 231 Williams, Abi Kansas State GH George Mason Univers HO GCB 425 Solt, Roger Kentucky GO Baylor CM GCB 625 Evans, Kirk Liberty University OT Emory EL GCB 229 Stahl, Greta Louisville MR James Madison HP GCB 317 Mathis, Erik Michigan State Univ. BK Wake Forest SS GCB 429 Cram Helwich, Da Michigan State Univ. EL Emory MoSw GCB 615 Ramachandrappa, Michigan State Univ. GS Kansas State MZ GCB 300 Lee, Ed Michigan State Univ. KM Georgia HP GCB 203 Peterson, Jason Nevada Las Vegas CE Liberty University BH GCB 523 Atchison, Jarrod North Texas (univ.) CP Northwestern FW Sparks 301 Stevenson, Ron North Texas (univ.) MS Baylor MN GCB 401 Hamraie, Aimi Northwestern BB Wayne State Universi GP GCB 227 Garner, Ricky Northwestern KS Minnesota CN GCB 315 Harris, Scott Northwestern MS Wake Forest ChCh GCB 321 Lundeen, Geoff Oklahoma DT Dartmouth AH GCB 427 Buntin, Jeff Oklahoma GW Emory IN GCB 327 Petit, Louie Richmond (univ. Of) DF West Georgia XX GCB 503 Johnson, Paul Samford BG Georgetown FK GCB 700 Hardy, Aaron Texas CM North Texas (univ.) MR GCB 400 Jairus, Grove Towson CL Wake Forest CaCr Sparks 303 Munksgaard, Jane Towson EM Richmond (univ. Of) FL GCB 201 sharp, jon Towson KO Baylor FH GCB 323 Hill, Luke Trinity University BE Georgia CS GCB 303 Osborn, Martin Trinity University BrHa Texas-dallas LR GCB 629 Russell, Jason Vanderbilt BN Towson JM GCB 218 Willis, Kris Vanderbilt HW BYE Wake Forest BZ Kansas (univ. Of) PS GCB 627 Hall, Sherry Wake Forest GL Texas-dallas BR GCB 721 Brovero, Adrienn Wake Forest MS Liberty University DG Sparks 305 Galloway, Ryan Wayne State Universi KM Trinity University BaHa GCB 200 Lacy, J.p. Wayne State Universi NP Kansas (univ. Of) KQ GCB 703 Kuswa, Kevin West Georgia BS Florida KS GCB 403 Green, Justin West Georgia MS Redlands LM GCB 529 Tews, Richard Whitman College CS Wake Forest DM GCB 531 Hall, Michael Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Junior Varsity Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 5 -- START TIME: 8:00 Case Western MM Miami (florida) BF Sparks 311 Abbott, Blake Emory CL Louisiana-lafayette PS Sparks 326 Mabrey, Paul Emory DS Louisiana-lafayette DM Sparks 328 Smith, Ryan Florida State CP Liberty University GW Sparks 324 Scott, Elliott James Madison NS BYE Liberty University BP Emory CoMo Sparks 320 Silber, Marissa Louisiana-lafayette CM Emory L Sparks 327 Murray, Athena Miami (florida) NR Louisiana-lafayette BS Sparks 321 Davis, James Samford JL Liberty University AJ Sparks 322 Schirmer, Abby Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Novice Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 6 -- START TIME: 11:00 Emory CN Appalachian State TV Sparks 430 Hahn, Taylor Emory JS Louisiana-lafayette MW Sparks 421 Mabrey, Paul Emory OW Liberty University ME Sparks 420 Sedelmyer, Chris Florida JR Louisiana-lafayette CS Sparks 426 Ridley, Sean Liberty University AA South Florida St. Pet DL Sparks 427 Willis, Kris Liberty University CD Florida BO Sparks 425 Sun, Chris Liberty University DT Piedmont College BR Sparks 428 Downing, Jamie Liberty University HK BYE Liberty University HL Vanderbilt KM Sparks 424 greenwalt, dusti Liberty University TT Vanderbilt AO Sparks 423 Jairus, Grove Miami (florida) RR South Florida St. Pet BT Sparks 329 Skinner, Beth Piedmont College EB Emory KR Sparks 330 Smith, Ryan Piedmont College IM Vanderbilt GC Sparks 422 Rosen, Adam Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Open Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 6 -- START TIME: ASAP Baylor CM Georgetown MR GCB 621 Matheson, Calum Baylor FH Georgia HW GCB 601 Paul, Jonathan Baylor LR Trinity University BrHa GCB 629 Osborn, Martin Baylor MN Kansas State GH GCB 425 Cram Helwich, Da Case Western MW Louisville MR GCB 317 Mills, Rob Dartmouth AH Baylor BJ GCB 423 Antonucci, Micha Emory EL North Texas (univ.) MS GCB 401 Bush, Randall Emory IN North Texas (univ.) CP Sparks 301 Smith, Ross Emory MS Oklahoma DT GCB 427 Garner, Ricky Emory MT Liberty University OT GCB 229 Ramachandrappa, Emory MoSw Towson CL Sparks 303 Spring, Sarah Florida KS Harvard RS GCB 325 Keenan, Dylan Florida State RS Emory GH Sparks 307 sharp, jon George Mason Univers HO Georgia HN GCB 515 Ramakrishnan, Va George Mason Univers OR Michigan State Univ. KM GCB 203 Lee, Ed Georgetown FK Vanderbilt BN GCB 218 Stahl, Greta Georgia BL Wake Forest BZ GCB 627 Hardy, Aaron Georgia CS Central Oklahoma (un HS GCB 215 Hamraie, Aimi Georgia HP Richmond (univ. Of) DF GCB 503 Serrano, Nicole Harvard BR Texas CM GCB 400 Congdon, Kelly Harvard KL Nevada Las Vegas CE GCB 523 Evans, Kirk Harvard KS Iowa SV GCB 500 Stevenson, Ron Idaho State JM Wayne State Universi NP GCB 703 Varda, Scott James Madison HP Florida MR GCB 421 Williams, Abi Kansas (univ. Of) BJ Northwestern MS GCB 321 Gonzalez, Joshua Kansas (univ. Of) KQ Michigan State Univ. EL GCB 615 Roland, James Kansas (univ. Of) PS Trinity University BE GCB 303 Lundeen, Geoff Kansas State MZ Whitman College CS GCB 531 Donald Durkee, J Kentucky CG Wake Forest MS Sparks 305 Heidt, David Kentucky GG Iowa DO GCB 603 Koehle, Joe Liberty University BH BYE Liberty University DG Michigan State Univ. GS GCB 300 Brovero, Adrienn Liberty University FW Towson KO GCB 323 Souders, Mick Louisville PW Wayne State Universi KM GCB 200 Newnam, Bill Mary Washington KS Emory CaMa GCB 631 Atchison, Jarrod Michigan State Univ. AW Wake Forest GL GCB 721 Silber, Marissa Michigan University LZ Central Oklahoma (un CS GCB 517 Foy, John Minnesota CN Appalachian State FL GCB 623 Thorpe, Ben Missouri State FW Emory IP Sparks 304 Galloway, Ryan Nevada Las Vegas CM West Georgia BS GCB 403 Whitmore, Whit North Texas (univ.) MR Emory BP GCB 301 Holbrook, Sarah Northwestern FG Michigan State Univ. BK GCB 429 Barnes, Heather Northwestern FW Oklahoma GW GCB 327 Hester, Mike Redlands LM Towson EM GCB 201 Murillo, Gabe Richmond (univ. Of) FL West Georgia MS GCB 529 Kirk, Justin Texas-dallas BR Emory SW GCB 501 Perkins, Dallas Texas-dallas LR Emory BF GCB 521 Bauschard, Stefa Towson JM Samford BG GCB 700 Manuel, Brian Trinity University AM James Madison EL GCB 231 Mosley-jensen, W Trinity University BaHa James Madison CF GCB 431 Russell, Jason Vanderbilt HW Northwestern KS GCB 315 Petit, Louie Wake Forest CaCr Harvard BP Sparks 300 Radford, Jamie Wake Forest ChCh Harvard JP GCB 329 Watson, Hays Wake Forest DM Bard College CD Sparks 306 Jordan, Todd Wake Forest SS Dartmouth AB Sparks 308 Anders, Eli Wayne State Universi GP Georgetown HZ GCB 223 Harrigan, Casey Weber State Univ. DL Kentucky GO GCB 625 Bruce, Caitlin West Georgia XX Northwestern BB GCB 227 Abbott, Blake Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Junior Varsity Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 6 -- START TIME: ASAP Emory CoMo Samford JL Sparks 322 Scott, Elliott Emory DS BYE Emory L Miami (florida) NR Sparks 321 Munksgaard, Jane Liberty University AJ Case Western MM Sparks 328 Bowman, Pamela Liberty University GW Louisiana-lafayette CM Sparks 327 Denissen, Nick Louisiana-lafayette BS Emory CL Sparks 326 Nagy, John Louisiana-lafayette DM Liberty University BP Sparks 320 Schirmer, Abby Louisiana-lafayette PS Florida State CP Sparks 324 Warner, Ede Miami (florida) BF James Madison NS Sparks 311 Ryan, Nick Gsu National College Debate Tournament -- Novice Georgia State 9/20/2008 through 9/22/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 6 -- START TIME: ASAP Emory CN Appalachian State TV Sparks 430 Hahn, Taylor Emory JS Louisiana-lafayette MW Sparks 421 Mabrey, Paul Emory OW Liberty University ME Sparks 420 Sedelmyer, Chris Florida JR Louisiana-lafayette CS Sparks 426 Ridley, Sean Liberty University AA South Florida St. Pet DL Sparks 427 Willis, Kris Liberty University CD Florida BO Sparks 425 Sun, Chris Liberty University DT Piedmont College BR Sparks 428 Downing, Jamie Liberty University HK BYE Liberty University HL Vanderbilt KM Sparks 424 greenwalt, dusti Liberty University TT Vanderbilt AO Sparks 423 Jairus, Grove Miami (florida) RR South Florida St. Pet BT Sparks 329 Skinner, Beth Piedmont College EB Emory KR Sparks 330 Smith, Ryan Piedmont College IM Vanderbilt GC Sparks 422 Rosen, Adam -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From mtarsi at polsci.umass.edu Sun Sep 21 10:49:47 2008 From: mtarsi at polsci.umass.edu (Melinda R. Tarsi) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:49:47 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] University of Massachusetts-Amherst Tournament Invite Message-ID: <1222012187.48d66d1b68a17@mail-www.oit.umass.edu> Hello everyone, Below please find the invite for the UMass debate tournament. Announcements will follow in regards what building(s) we will be using on campus, as we are still trying to sort that out. Please note that the hotel blocks release in late December. Thanks, and we hope to see you in Amherst! The University of Massachusetts-Amherst Debate Team invites you to: The University of Massachusetts-Amherst Debate Tournament January 31-February 1, 2009 TOURNAMENT INFORMATION We will be holding six (6) rounds of cross-examination policy debate, utilizing the 2008-09 CEDA topic. There will be switch-side debate in novice, junior varsity, and open using the CEDA requirements for eligibility in these divisions, respectively. We will be holding full elimination rounds. We will run 9-3-6 debates with 10 minutes of prep time. We hope that all judges will at minimum disclose their decisions at the end of the round, and also provide an oral critique of the round to further the educational aspect of debate. We will also feature a World?s Division. We will follow all CEDA rules and regulations regarding proper conduct during the tournament. REGISTRATION Fees are $85 per team of two for CEDA as well as World?s. Teams are expected to supply six (6) rounds of judging for every two (2) teams entered. Uncovered teams will be charged an extra $125 judging fee. Please note that our judging pool is very limited so, while we will make every effort to accommodate, we strongly encourage teams to bring sufficient judging for the tournament. Please contact Melinda (mtarsi at polsci.umass.edu) if you have a financial hardship ? we will do what we can to allow everyone to compete who wants to. Also, when registering, please fill out the information on special diets/vegan meal requests, so that we can pass along the info to our food vendors. TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE: FRIDAY, January 30: 6:00 ? 11:00PM Registration at tournament hotel (details TBA) SATURDAY, January 31: 7:00 AM Registration- location TBA 7:30 AM Breakfast 8:00 AM ROUND 1 10:30AM ROUND 2 12:30PM Lunch 1:30PM ROUND 3 4:00PM ROUND 4 6:30PM ROUND 5 SUNDAY, February 1: 7:30AM Breakfast 8:00AM ROUND 6 11:00AM CEDA Elimination Debates 1:30PM Lunch and Award Ceremony 2:30PM Elimination rounds for CEDA 4:30PM Elimination Rounds (as necessary) 7:00PM Elimination Rounds (as necessary) World?s Schedule The World?s Debate Schedule will follow the same parameters as the CEDA policy schedule. HOTEL INFORMATION We have reserved blocks at two (2) local hotels, both of which are ten minutes from campus: EconoLodge 329 Russell Street, Hadley MA 24 rooms reserved, $70/night + tax Holiday Inn Express 400 Russell Street, Hadley MA 39 rooms reserved, $109/night + tax For reservations, please contact sales representative Aolani George directly at 413-586-3760. This will ensure that your reservations are handled appropriately. Please reference block code UMASS DEBATE when making your reservation. Also, please note that both the hotels observe 10PM quiet time. ***The blocks will be released on MONDAY DECEMBER 29, 2008 ? please make your reservations before this time! If you have a time constraint or scheduling issue that prevents you from reserving your rooms by this time, please contact Aolani directly to see if an extension is possible*** There are also other hotels in the area, which will vary in both price and availability. They are all in the same general vicinity on Russell Street/Route 9 in neighboring Hadley, and are no more than 15 minutes from campus: Howard Johnson?s 401 Russell Street, Hadley MA 413-586-0114 Courtyard by Marriott 423 Russell Street, Hadley MA 413-256-5454 Comfort Inn 237 Russell Street, Hadley MA 413-584-9816 Teams in need of lodging assistance should contact Melinda ASAP at mtarsi at polsci.umass.edu; we will make every effort to find you some housing for the weekend. TRAVEL INFORMATION UMass is located in the Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts. Bradley International Airport is the closest one serving the general area at approximately 40 minutes from Amherst (http://www.bradleyairport.com). For transportation to and from Bradley, please contact Valley Transporter (http://www.valleytransporter.com or 1-800-872-8752). The entire UMass Debate Team and university community look forward to welcoming you to Amherst! Best, Melinda Tarsi, Jillian Marty, Casey Stevens Coaching Staff University of Massachusetts-Amherst Debate Team Questions: please contact Melinda at mtarsi at polsci.umass.edu Melinda R. Tarsi Ph.D. Student, Political Science Assistant Coach, UMass Policy Debate Team University of Massachusetts - Amherst From let_the_american_empire_burn at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 11:08:15 2008 From: let_the_american_empire_burn at hotmail.com (Kevin Sanchez) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] linus's law Message-ID: or why debate should become even more bazaar. _ http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2008-September/075996.html in the context of evidence sharing, aaron hardy cites 'the freeriding problem': "The primary resistance I have to it is that until it's a community wide norm, it would probably disadvantage us significantly without reciprocation." this is a serious objection (*the* objection), but it's not decisive if those who support the creation of an online debate commons can win ballots from those don't - that is, if advocating a community-wide norm can become, in itself, a strategic advantage. that's the reason this position was written: http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1622990 i'd contend this is fair play, since - like topicality and other alleged procedural violations - opposing teams will have an entire debate round to demonstrate the undesirability of the proposed community norm(s). let me briefly make this analogy explicit: when i run topicality, i'm relying on a communal norm ('stay on topic') that i argue my opponents have violated. despite attempts to derive topicality from wizened concepts such as 'framers' intent' or 'jurisdiction', i think most debaters would say the solider concepts are 'ground' and 'predictability' - i.e., what interpretation best ensures a fair, comprehensive debate? likewise, when i run (cc), i'm relying on a community norm ('share your evidence') that i argue my opponents have violated. in both cases once i show that the norm would make for better debates and that the opposing team failed to observe the norm, the ballot is seen as a legitimate enforcement mechanism. of course, as a communal norm, 'stay on topic' has a longer history than 'share your evidence'. yet, in either case, what reason have we to wait for our proposal to become "community wide" (a very vague term, incidentally)? no one gathers poll data from debaters to support their interpretation of the resolution; why on earth should commons-hacks need the total consent of everyone else in the activity? if you disagree, you either lose or justify your disagreement. this is debate, not a popularity contest. note how perpendicularly this contradicts aaron hardy's 'proposed (requested) community norms' (last two points here, http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2008-September/075992.html) - opponents should be *encouraged* both to 'look ahead' and to 'take home' all scripted speeches. and this accomplishes exactly what stefen bauschard says it could: sparing debaters of "silly rote work", better contextualizing arguments, and "prevent[ing] people from winning with crappy cards just because you don't have time to really evaluate them in the real time pressure of the debate" (http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2008-September/075994.html). recall linus's law as stated by eric raymond: "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar _ p.s. to ceren/hoe: i'd intuitively interpret davis' post as satire; am i wrong? _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to Mike Berry (and his family!) and the whole Kings crew, as well as Berch and Katsulas in tab, for a great tournament. My novices are excited, my first year college debaters are impressed, and my returners are happy to be back. The whole Coalition appreciates having such a great opportunity to see old friends, welcome new faces, and introduce the joy of debate to others. We will also disclose that Binghamton broke the new "Cuteness Advantage" this weekend - definite round winner. Thanks again to everyone, and good luck to those still at GSU. -VIK -- Vik Keenan Director - Baruch Debate, CUNY Assoc. Director - New York Coalition of Colleges 212/992-9641 or 347/683-6894 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080921/434e64c6/attachment.htm From mnhustler at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 12:32:45 2008 From: mnhustler at hotmail.com (C Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:32:45 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Presidential debate getting help from College Debate Message-ID: Right now, debate has taken a black eye in the public arena, but this is a story that paints it in a positive light, albeit on the wrong side of my personal political preference. BTW, what national championships are they talking about? ADA? If so, then I think the leadership of CEDA and NDT can and should do a better job of distinguishing its champions and getting them a little more pub... Think about the NDT Champs blocking out their personal candidate choice on the issues... they would be totally ready to rock and roll... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122204781847961747.html SEPTEMBER 22, 2008 Stand-Ins, Naps Help Debate Preparation By MONICA LANGLEY To get in the debating mood, Republican John McCain will host a town-hall event and take a short nap. His rival, Democrat Barack Obama, will work out or shoot hoops. Sen. Obama will spar for the debate with Greg Craig, a Washington lawyer and former official in the Clinton administration who is one of his few gray-haired advisers. A McCain spokeswoman declined to discuss who will practice with Sen. McCain. The candidates have different ways of preparing for the debates, one at the University of Mississippi.After weeks of TV attack ads and prepared remarks on the stump, the candidates will face off on stage without teleprompters or advisers. With the presidential race in a near dead heat, neither candidate can afford a costly gaffe that sends his campaign into a tailspin. The nationally televised debates are set to begin on Friday and are certain to be among the most watched in history. Each campaign is seeking even the smallest advantage. Obama advisers, for example, are considering how to provoke Sen. McCain into anger or showing what they say is how out of touch, or old, he is. Advisers have told Sen. McCain to watch out when Sen. Obama uses the phrase, "As I've said before..." One McCain adviser said it is used "when Obama actually changes his position, to pretend it's what he's always said." Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden is preparing for the debate with his Republican rival, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, by practicing against another female governor, Jennifer Granholm of Michigan. The campaign selected Gov. Granholm, who like Gov. Palin is also a sports mom and former beauty-pageant winner, to make sure Sen. Biden doesn't comes across as sexist or superior. The McCain campaign is having some trouble finding the right person for Gov. Palin's practice sessions. Sen. Joe Lieberman was considered, but dropped for being insufficiently fiery and loquacious to do a good Biden impression. The campaigns have haggled over whether the debaters should be seated or standing, as well as how much time the candidates have to respond. Both sides wanted "to give as much information to the American people and get in as many questions as possible," said Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who represented Sen. McCain in the negotiations with Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, who represented Sen. Obama. "But we needed to agree on enough rules to be sure it didn't turn into a food fight." Preparing Sen. Obama is Ron Klain, who assisted Sen. John Kerry and Vice President Al Gore in the debates during their failed presidential bids. Mr. Klain was played by Kevin Spacey in the movie "Recount," about the 2000 Florida vote debacle. The McCain campaign has hired Brett O'Donnell, the debate coach who led Jerry Falwell's Liberty University to several national debate championships. He has critiqued all of Sen. McCain's debates, as well as those of Sen. Obama. His advice to Sen. McCain: stand up. Mr. O'Donnell told the campaign that Sen. McCain had his worst debates when he was seated. "Proximity can be a problem for McCain," one adviser said. "He'll take the bait and get sucked into fights." When the Commission on Presidential Debates proposed a debate schedule that included two debates sitting at tables and one town-hall style, the McCain campaign wanted to have one with the candidates standing at lecterns. By contrast, Gov. Palin wanted to be seated during her debate, because she was more comfortable that way during her successful run for Alaska governor. Negotiators agreed the candidates will use a lectern. The Obama campaign is saying that Sen. McCain is a more skillful debater. "In this first debate, John McCain has the home-field advantage with his expertise on foreign policy," said Anita Dunn, senior adviser to Sen. Obama. "McCain needs a knockout." A McCain adviser played down the need for his candidate to win the debate. The important test, this adviser said: Who will American viewers decide is better prepared to lead this country? "People will use John McCain as a touchstone," the adviser said. "Does Obama measure up to McCain?" The first debate, on Friday, will be at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, where in 1962 the enrollment of James Meredith, its first African-American student, touched off a deadly riot. The debate commission had directed that this debate would cover domestic issues, but the two campaigns agreed to change it to foreign policy. Sen. McCain's advisers wanted to lead off with his strong suit, foreign policy. Sen. Obama's advisers wanted to have the last debate center on domestic issues, particularly the economy, which they believe will benefit their candidate. Also, some Obama advisers said they didn't want the issue of race "front and center" during a debate. Another point of contention: the time allotted for the candidates to debate each other, rather than simply answer a moderator's questions. Sen. McCain, who prefers pithy, direct responses, wanted a structured format. On the other hand, Sen. Obama favored time for open-ended debate between the two men without intervention from the moderator. The compromise: Each answer will last for nine minutes, two minutes for each candidate and five minutes for them to argue between themselves. Here is some of what the advisers are telling their candidates, based on interviews with both campaigns: To Sen. McCain: Don't be so "brutally honest" that you spell out what you don't know, such as the imploding economy. Don't let early jitters make you come off as "testy." Those superstitious tokens? Make sure they are handy so you aren't thrown if you can't find them. Don't overuse your favorite semantic crutch, "My friends." To Sen. Obama: Don't be so thorough on giving pros and cons that you come off as the law professor you once were. Don't try sarcastic humor that can seem flip, as during one appearance when you said determining when life begins is "above my pay grade." Don't be so objective, or Zen-like, that you don't show your passion. To Sen. Biden: Don't talk too much; it often is your effort to fill silence that can get you into trouble, such as last week when you praised Sen. Hillary Clinton and then went on to add that she would have been a better vice-presidential pick. To Gov. Palin: Don't memorize talking points so that you give rote answers rather than showing your own personality and grasp of issues. Don't say that you can see Russia from parts of Alaska, which you did in your first media interview, which was spoofed by Tina Fey playing you on "Saturday Night Live." The next presidential debates will be on Oct. 7 in Nashville, Tenn., and Oct. 15 in Hempstead, N.Y. The vice-presidential debate will be in St. Louis on Oct. 2. Write to Monica Langley at monica.langley at wsj.com Corrections & Amplifications: A spokeswoman for John McCain's campaign says Michael Steele will not participate in the presidential candidate's debate preparation. The initial version of this article said that Mr. Steele will play the part of Barack Obama in preparing Sen. McCain for the debates. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This could be a great opportunity to increase participation in these divisions. ml ------------------------------------------------- Sandoz, M L Director of Debate Vanderbilt University Email: mary.l.sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu From kristopherwillis at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 10:51:19 2008 From: kristopherwillis at hotmail.com (Kris Willis) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:51:19 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] 69th Annual Mountain Debate Tournament Invite Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to invite you to the 69th Annual Mountain Debate Tournament. The tournament is sponsored by the Appalachian State University Forensic Team on the weekend of November14-16, 2008. This invitation contains all the information you will need to register, including hotel and parking, details concerning the pre-tournament Mountaineer Hike. The tournament will feature Open, Junior Varsity, and Novice divisions of policy debate. The tournament will abide by ADA, CEDA, and NDT guidelines. Any conflict will be resolved by the Director in consultation with the Tab Room Director. We will have six preliminary policy debate rounds of competition on the 2007-2008 CEDA Policy Debate Topic. The ADA divisions of novice, JV, and open will be in effect. Half of the teams (rounding down) in each bracket will advance. Teams will advance into elimination rounds based on the following criteria: 1) win-loss record, 2) total team points, 3) adjusted team points, 4) double-adjusted team points, 5) total team ranks; and, 6) coin toss. We will not break brackets. Advancing teams when a school meets itself will be up to the discretion of the coach and the school involved. We are committed to providing you and your students with a valuable team experience. We have secured a beautiful tournament hotel, LaQuinta Inns & Suites, where we will hold registration for your convenience. We have blocked 25 rooms at the tournament hotel, LaQuinta Inns & Suites at the rate of $63.75/night. The block and rate will no longer be effective after November first. LaQuinta Inns & Suites 828-262-1234 Ask for Brenda Fisher, General Manager, to receive the $63.75 rate. www.LQ.com Just a note, there is a home football game on the weekend of our tournament which draws fans from across the nation. So I *STRONGLY encourage* you to make your reservations immediately. We are excited to sponsor our fourth annual pre-tournament Mountaineer Hike. We will be hiking a portion of the Price Park Trail which will provide debaters with a fabulous view of Trashcan falls and some pre-tournament oxygen. Please e-mail or facebook Mariam Willis at willismr at appstate.edu if you would like to participate. We will meet at the tournament hotel, which is the LaQuinta Inn at 10 a.m. on Friday, November 14th. We are providing additional hospitality services this year. We will serve a light breakfast and a lunch on Saturday, as well as coffee, water, and fruit throughout the tournament. Further, we will provide menus and a new accommodating schedule, so that you may enjoy many of Boone's outstanding locally owned restaurants. Moreover, the entire tournament will take place in a single building on campus. We hope you?ll put Appalachian State University on your tournament schedule. Come enjoy the beautiful mountain scenery and fresh air in Boone, NC! Sincerely, Kris Willis Co-Director of Forensics Appalachian State University (828)262-8371 (office) (828) 719-7705 (cell) williskw at appstate.edu Fax: (828)262-2543 Mariam Razian Willis Co-Director of Forensics Appalachian State University (828)262-7527 (office) (828) 719-7706 (cell) willismr at appstate.edu *ENTRIES*: Each school may enter as many teams as it wishes in each division. Any student may be entered in Open Division. Only students with two years or less experience in college debate may be entered in the JV division. Only those students with 2 semesters or less experience including high school debate may be entered in Novice Division (excluding Lincoln-Douglas Debate). *FORMAT*: The 2008-09 CEDA Policy Topic will be used for the three policy divisions. Six preliminary rounds with appropriate elimination rounds in each division will be offered. Speaking times will be 9-3-6 with 10 minutes preparation. Rounds 1 & 2 will be randomly paired. Rounds 3 & 5 will be paired high/high based on cumulative records. Rounds 4 & 6 will be paired high/low within brackets and side constraints. Speaker awards will be given based upon adjusted speaker points (dropping highest and lowest points), then total speaker points, then double adjusted speaker points, then team record, then ranks. *AWARDS*: Appropriate awards will be provided to all teams reaching elimination rounds and the top 5 speakers in Novice, JV and Open Policy Debate. *JUDGES*: Each school must provide 1 qualified judge for every 2 teams or fraction thereof entered. All judges are obligated 1 round beyond the point their team is eliminated. Since we have a *very* limited supply of qualified judges, please make every effort to cover your judging obligation. *FEES*: *$40 per person* and $100.00 per hired judge. If you have one team and one judge, the fee will be $120. Last year we lost money on the tournament which is why the fees have increased. If these fees are prohibiting, please contact Mariam or I and we can try and work something out. *ENTRY DEADLINE*: Monday, November 10, 2008 at 5:00 p.m. We prefer to receive entries through debateresults.com. *NO ADDS AT REGISTRATION*. All changes or drops at registration will result in a $25.00 fee. * TOURNAMENT HOTEL *: Blocks are available at the LaQuinta Inns & Suites. 828-262-1234 Ask for Brenda Fisher, General Manager, to receive the $63.75 rate. www.LQ.com Tournament registration will begin at 1 p.m. at the LaQuinta. Just a note, there is a home football game on the weekend of our tournament which draws fans from across the nation. So I *STRONGLY encourage* you to make your reservations immediately. Other hotels in the area: (Expect to pay between $100.00 and $190.00 a night excluding tax.) *Comfort Suites*, (828) 268-0099, 1184 Hwy 105 Super 8 Motel- (828) 264-4133 (formerly the Greystone Lodge) Holiday Inn Express- (828) 264-2451 Greene's Motel - (828) 264-8845 Fairfield Inn & Suites (828) 268-0677 Campus maps are also available at http://www.web.appstate.edu/maps/ . *PARKING* Visitor parking tags and directions will be included at registration. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/f3002867/attachment.htm From blackdebateguy at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 09:52:24 2008 From: blackdebateguy at hotmail.com (Douglas Dennis) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:52:24 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Gordon Stables Message-ID: If you could backchannel me, that would be greatly appreciated. Doug Dennis From anabaptist at alltel.net Wed Sep 24 15:28:46 2008 From: anabaptist at alltel.net (Donald Bryson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:28:46 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Wayne State HQ or delete Message-ID: <20080924202846.MNGQ23580.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Could one of you back channel me please? Thanks ahead of time. Donald Bryson From dsmnd_mason at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:50:35 2008 From: dsmnd_mason at yahoo.com (Desmond Mason) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Kansas State FL Message-ID: <907333.98209.qm@web36102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, can one of you backchannel me ASAP, I need the cites from your sugar slavery aff. Thanks a bunch Dez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/38e4a9dc/attachment.htm From Roy.Eno at utsa.edu Wed Sep 24 15:00:38 2008 From: Roy.Eno at utsa.edu (Roy Eno) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:00:38 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Skip's Health Message-ID: <7CE039ACB3DF9645B48718D2FDB21DCAC1EB0B@opal1604.UTSARR.NET> This note is in response to so many of you in the debate community who have made enquiries, sent emails and cards and offered assistance to our debaters concerning my health. The rumor of my demise is slightly exaggerated. Briefly, I entered the University Hospital on May 22nd, after a late night emergency room visit. Several days later a team performed abdominal surgery, a thirteen hour and 12 units of blood venture. Everything looked good until I began to spike a fever. They took me back to surgery, opened me up again and found nothing. I subsequently went into shock and my lungs shut down. That's when they discovered that I had Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), a condition that often sets of a cascade of major organ failures and death. My critical care team worked nonstop for days to reclaim me. They did a tracheotomy, kept me on a ventilator and flooded my body with liquid to keep up my blood pressure. They tried a number of remedies including some exotic gases and then went for what they called a "Hail Mary" by putting me on an oscillating ventilator, something mostly used in neonatology-this worked and I stabilized. In the meantime, I was kept in a chemical coma and woke up over a month later in a mid-level rehabilitation hospital in their intensive care unit. I was unable to move arms, legs or head. Since then all feeling has returned, I was moved to a rehabilitation hospital and went to work. I came home last week with a wheel chair a walker and a cane, none of which I now need. I am on the way back. I hope to take up my teaching duties in Jan. and come out for a couple of tournaments late in the spring. I was incredibly lucky to beat the odds on this ARDS stuff, but it wouldn't have happened without amazing medical support, the constant vigilance of my immediate family (they read to me constantly), the incredibly supportive and hard work of the UTSA Debate Squad and university administration, the prayers and thoughts of the debate community and the extended communities of my friends. I am grateful to all of you, and I hope to be back among you soon! 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080922/03ee6c14/attachment.htm From resolt2 at email.uky.edu Tue Sep 23 11:46:29 2008 From: resolt2 at email.uky.edu (SOLT, ROGER E) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:46:29 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky seeks Vanderbilt judging Message-ID: Kentucky is interested in hiring up to six rounds of judging for the Vanderbilt tournament. We will pay $25 cash at the tournament (per round). If you are interested, contact Roger Solt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080923/cf0075f0/attachment.htm From nryan2wc at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 17:37:46 2008 From: nryan2wc at gmail.com (Nick Ryan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:37:46 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Lost & Found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <886dd32a0809241537n2bd213e1n84537706ed7f98fa@mail.gmail.com> One of my Debaters lost a red* Motarola Krzr *at GSU. 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/00a07d6d/attachment.htm From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 02:29:06 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:29:06 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: <399C4BA7EAA54DDFA49FDD79586F2E3B@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. 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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 02:46:45 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:46:45 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: <93573F86F07146FD8CABB625C0C07035@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. 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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 02:59:18 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:59:18 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. 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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 03:12:20 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:12:20 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. 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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 16:25:34 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:25:34 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: <232743D5A92549E6941F2AB8B9FA7A23@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. 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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 16:26:02 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:26:02 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: <7456E6BB2344401086FA5F730408D105@AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. 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From jbruschke at fullerton.edu Tue Sep 23 16:27:31 2008 From: jbruschke at fullerton.edu (jbruschke at fullerton.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:27:31 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by CSU Northridge Message-ID: Name:The Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) Starts:10/31/2008 Ends:11/2/2008 Hosted by: CSU Northridge Contact: John Kephart Address: 18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330-8257 Phone: 818-677-3043 On-line entry allowed: True AFA Open tournament (open to non-AFA members): True Divisions Offered: Open Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos JV Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Novice Policy with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Open Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Octos Novice Parli with 6 prelims, expected to clear to: Quarters Other details are available at: http://www.debateresults.com This tournament may be offered in conjunction with an individual events tournament. If so, you will be notified by a separate email. From wsu.cook at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 17:53:15 2008 From: wsu.cook at gmail.com (Matthew Cook) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:53:15 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] test Message-ID: working? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/f4ae333f/attachment.htm From alfred.snider at uvm.edu Mon Sep 22 15:14:43 2008 From: alfred.snider at uvm.edu (Alfred Snider) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:14:43 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] What about this "worlds" debate format? Message-ID: <48D7FCB3.2090109@uvm.edu> People are asking me about it more and more, so I thought I would share some information. It is growing in the USA. There seem to be functioning circuits on both coasts now, and we are anxious to encourage those of you in the middle of the country to join in. In New England we have added this format to our already existing policy tournaments. It has not hurt the policy tournaments, but expanded the number of schools involved in debate and allowed for some interesting cross-over experiences. This year we will have six such tournaments here, offering policy debate and worlds. A number of my colleagues here were very concerned that adding worlds would doom policy debate, and it certainly has not done so, as several of those critics have now shared with me. These tournaments mean that we can add a format without adding a whole new slate of tournaments. We also now have a place for our younger debaters to prepare for more challenging experiences. And, they exist. The WUDC world championship tournament was a fantastic experience last year, a true international forum for debating in English. The competition was excellent and the judging was skilled and fair. I wish it ran a little more on time, but with 400 teams and 9 prelims stuff happens. This year the tournament is in Cork, Ireland and a lot of USA teams are attending. We also went to the World Universities Peace Invitational Debates (WUPID) in Mayalsia, with all expenses covered except travel for a week in an excellent hotel. Very tough competition with excellent judging. One thing that has really helped us is the International Debate Academy held over the Thanksgiving break in Europe. There are five intensive days of instruction by an all star cast followed by a tournament. It has really helped jump-start our students and our program. The plane is costly but the entire thing after that is 200 Euros including housing, food and instruction. Cornell, Florida State, St Johns and Vermont have been going, and I urge more USA teams to consider this option as a substitute for turkey day. The website is at http://debate.uvm.edu/idas.html There are lots of free and easily available instructional materials. DEBATE CENTRAL has a major multi-format instruction page at http://debate.uvm.edu/learndebate.html and the worls format is on the left side. Colm Flynn's manual, available there, is very good. There are a host of videos at http://debate.uvm.edu/wudcvideo.html , and I am constantly putting new debate videos for all formats (including worlds) at DEBATE VIDEO BLOG http://debatevideoblog.blogspot.com/ . in April 2009 we will be hosting the US Universities Debating Championship here at the University of Vermont. Come and see what it is like. The invite is at http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/usu/Welcome.html . A tournament calendar is at http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/usu/Calendar.html and a list of tournament invitations can be found at http://debate.uvm.edu/debateblog/usu/Invites/Archive.html . Many NPDA schools as well as APDA schools are trying it, along with our policy brothers and sisters. Canada is getting into it as well. I want to add something else. It used to be that people on our campus would find out about the team and if they didn't like policy debate they were gone. Now, people have a choice, and different formats appeal to different people. For example, we go to our season opener at Rochester next weekend with our normal number of policy teams and lots of worlds teams. By the way, you only need one judge for every four teams, although many tournaments are 1-3. It might cost some money. We have found that our alumni and other funders are open to the idea of debating on a world stage and have helped us pay the bills. Alumni realize that in "their day" going to Chicago or North Carolina was exciting, but that now it means going abroad as well. Students are attracted to something that might result in an overseas trip for them someday and that helps recruiting. I am proud to tell my administration that we now debate not just Ivy League schools and major state universities in the USA, but also outstanding schools from all around the world, we compete on a global stage. That costs money and we cannot promise overnight success. But, we have done it on not that much additional money. But what does a debate look like? The final round from our summer workshop in this format is at http://www.uvm.edu/~debate/watch/wdi08wudcfinalsvideocams.AVI with fairly inexperienced students debating. The final round from the HW Smith round robin last year is at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4225370433835892899&hl=en with Harvard, Toronto, Claremont and Cambridge. The WUDC 2008 finals from Thailand has a bit of an echo at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5592112064882673263&hl=en with Monash, Oxford, Cambridge and Sydney. We are having a great time and training a lot of young people in very meaningful skills. Format purists from all sides may not like it, but it is working for us. I understand that program directors will do what is best for them, their programs and their students. I just want you to know that there are options that are working for others, and it does not mean you have to stop doing the format you currently do. Best wishes, Tuna -- Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics University of Vermont Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA Global Debate Blog http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com Debate Central http://debate.uvm.edu World Debate Institute http://debate.uvm.edu/wdi/ World Debate Institute Blog http://worlddebateinstitute.blogspot.com 802-656-0097 office telephone 802-656-4275 office fax From wk02 at txstate.edu Tue Sep 23 16:38:58 2008 From: wk02 at txstate.edu (Kraemer, Wayne L) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:38:58 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Judging needed at San Francisco State Message-ID: Texas State is looking to hire three rounds at San Francisco State this weekend. Email me if you are interested. Thanks. Wayne Wayne Kraemer Director, LBJ Debate Society Texas State University Department of Communication Studies San Marcos, Texas 78666 512-245-2331 From davismk13 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 23:43:43 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:43:43 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Judges for the Morning Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809212143w3e93152ax25cfe70ebb9ea999@mail.gmail.com> GSU Elim Judges NOTE: There was an error in the announcement of records. Wake MS (5 wins) Emory IN (6wins) Anders, El Antonucci Atchison Bauschard Bowman, P Brovero, A Buntin, J Burk, C Cram Helwich Foy, J Galloway Gonzalez Hall, M Hall, S Hamraie Hardy, A Harrigan Harris, S Heidt D Herndon, J Herndon, S Holbrook Johnson, P Jordan, T Kall, A Keenan Koehle, J Lacy, J.P. Lee, E Matheson Mosley-Jenson, W Murillo, G Olsen, K Osborn, M Paul, J Peterson Petit Reed, A Repko Roland, J Russell, J Smith, R Spring, S Stahl, G Stevenson Turner Watson, H Whitmore -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From wk02 at txstate.edu Tue Sep 23 15:16:39 2008 From: wk02 at txstate.edu (Kraemer, Wayne L) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:16:39 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for judging this weekend Message-ID: Texas State is still looking for judging this weekend at San Francisco State. If you can help us out please email me at wk02 at txstate.edu Wayne Kraemer Director of Forensics Texas State University Department of Communication Studies San Marcos, Texas 78666 512-245-2331 From runlittleman at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 18:00:34 2008 From: runlittleman at gmail.com (Nick Ryan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:00:34 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Lost & Found In-Reply-To: <886dd32a0809241537n2bd213e1n84537706ed7f98fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <886dd32a0809241537n2bd213e1n84537706ed7f98fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <886dd32a0809241600nfd53d68tef1231198c65a7d@mail.gmail.com> One of my Debaters lost a red* Motarola Krzr *at GSU. If anyone found one I would appreciate it if you would backchannel me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wayne Kraemer wk02 at txstate.edu Wayne Kraemer Director of Forensics Texas State University Department of Communication Studies San Marcos, Texas 78666 512-245-2331 From delliott at kckcc.edu Wed Sep 24 01:55:32 2008 From: delliott at kckcc.edu (Darren Elliott) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:55:32 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] UNI Thanks Message-ID: <48D99E15020000930001B6F6@mymail.kckcc.edu> A great big thanks to the UNI Matriarchy : ) for putting on a fine tournament this past weekend. Cate, Katie, Kelsey, and Rebecca all did a wonderful job running a good, competitive tournament and doing it on time. The UNI debaters and speech students were helpful as always. Thanks for the pictures. Special thanks to John Fritch for putting on a great Novice workshop during rounds 1 and 2. As always UNI delivered good competition, beautiful weather, and fair treatment in respect to judge preferences across divisions--Open JV and Novice all were given the same pref system and all the rounds had excellent judging. Thanks from the Blue Devils!! chief Darren Elliott Director of Debate and Forensics Kansas City Kansas Community College CEDA President From lukephill at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 07:50:52 2008 From: lukephill at gmail.com (Luke Hill) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:50:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Lost Camera at GSU Message-ID: Northwestern misplaced a video camera at the GSU banquet. It is a black Sony in a black nylon case. If you happened to pick it up or have seen it please contact Luke Hill at 678-852-9280 or at lukephill at gmail.com . Thanks for the help. Also, thanks to Joe Bellon, Mike Davis and the whole GSU staff for a great and well run tournament. Luke P. 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Greg From pyampya at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 19:23:34 2008 From: pyampya at gmail.com (Mike Baxter-Kauf) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:23:34 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] 3 Rounds Available at Las Vegas Message-ID: <3ffd85940809241723g3ea01f4ah993b097eda41e299@mail.gmail.com> I have three rounds to sell for UNLV if anyone is still looking. Cash or a check at the tournament preferred. Thanks. Peace, Mike Baxter-Kauf Macalester College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/496452d5/attachment.htm From ben.crossan at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 10:51:21 2008 From: ben.crossan at gmail.com (Ben Crossan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:51:21 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Caselist? Message-ID: ?D?nde est?? Sup with that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/1b0643b5/attachment.htm From scottelliott at grandecom.net Wed Sep 24 18:59:52 2008 From: scottelliott at grandecom.net (scottelliott at grandecom.net) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:59:52 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Thank you to GSU and to the Liberty Program. Message-ID: <1222300792.48dad47896535@webmail.grandecom.net> I'd like to thank Georgia State for welcoming us to their tournament this year. I know it is usually looked at as one of the largest varsity tournaments of the Fall semester. But, the JV and novice divsions were quite competitive and my students learned a tremendous amount this weekend. The banquet was great. I hope that more JV and novice oriented programs will make it down next year. Joe Bellon and Mike Davis took time out of their exhausting schedules to discuss issues that were important to me and to my debaters. We really apprecaited their patience and willingness to listen to our concerns. We will be back next year. In addition, I want to thank the Liberty University Debate team for their show of sportsmanship. They know what I am referring to, and I think that was a class act. It literally brought me to tears. Better yet, I will tell you all so you will know. It was Liberty's debaters that pointed out a problem concerning speaker awards and it was a Liberty debater that gave back his first place speaker award because he saw there was an error; that one of my students was the 1st place speaker. This folks is what intercollegiate policy debate is about. We fight tooth and nail within rounds. We play to win. But, at the end of the tournament, we walk away as friends and colleagues. THIS is what the Administrations of Ft. Hays and Pitt have overlooked. This is what CEDA is and what it stands for. There are moments of excellence and basic humanity within this activity that go unnoticed. I just want you all to know this moment meant a lot to us and it is more representaitve of this community than one set of mistakes made six months ago. Scott M. Elliott, Ph.D, J.D. Dir. of Debate, UL-Lafayette. From debate.gsu at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 19:58:40 2008 From: debate.gsu at gmail.com (Dr. Joe Bellon) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:58:40 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] GSU Results Message-ID: Don't know how many of you got the message we sent out via Bruschke's site during the outage, but until Mike and Jon get the official stats up on debateresults.com, you can find results for our tournament at www.gsudebate.org/results/. Thanks to everyone for coming, and to all the workers, volunteers, and judges for making it possible. Dr. Joe Bellon Director of Debate Georgia State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone who knows any information or picked it up thinking it was lost will earn my eternal gratitude and even more if I actually get even just my external hard drive back. And, while I hate to say the following, I can't rule out the possibility that someone in the community has it illicitly. If you have it, I will ask exactly zero questions about why or how. If you have it and only give my hard drive back, I will let you have my laptop and the 19th century preaching books you are unlikely to care about, zero questions asked. Seriously. Hell, even mail it to me anonymously if you wish--go set up a fake gmail or hotmail acccount. I would even ransom my stuff back, but I don't have much money. And I would never mention the issue again. Let me clear, there is ZERO evidence or even the vaguest suspicion anyone in the community took my laptop. But I thought I'd lay out my situation. Mick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sup with that? > > _______________________________________________ > eDebate mailing list > eDebate at www.ndtceda.com > http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate > -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From davismk13 at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 20:06:33 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:06:33 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for a JV swing for Clarion Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809241806l4374057dx9eaf9d04bbedd1f1@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have one? -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From partsara at isu.edu Tue Sep 23 16:03:19 2008 From: partsara at isu.edu (partsara at isu.edu) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:03:19 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] need judging at UNLV Message-ID: Idaho State needs to obtain extra judging for UNLV.? Please? contact me if you are interested.? $30 a round. Thanks Sarah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080923/1d6e2d88/attachment.htm From luvmarissa at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 21:01:24 2008 From: luvmarissa at hotmail.com (Marissa Silber) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:01:24 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Florida needs UNLV judging Message-ID: Florida needs to hire at least five rounds of judging for UNLV... if you have any rounds you want to get hired for, please contact me. We pay 25 dollars a round, check at tournament. Thanks! Marissa Silber _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Emory sw 24. harvard jp 4. wake chch 29. wake ms 13. emory IN 20. iowa sv 5. msu aw 28. harv bp 12. NU MS 21. whitman cs 2. wake gl 31. wake ss 15. oklahahoma gw 18. mary wash ks 7. msu el 26. UNT CP 10. dart ah 21. uga BL 3. NU FW 30. Harvard KS 14. West GA BS 19. Kansas PS 6. Missouri FW 27. UGA CS 11. Emory IP 22. Wayne NP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080922/5c85c51e/attachment.htm From sarahtp73 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 22:08:22 2008 From: sarahtp73 at yahoo.com (Sarah Partlow) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] still looking for judging to hire at UNLV Message-ID: <887692.10425.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We pay $30 a round cash. Contact me if you have rounds to sell. Thanks, Sarah Idaho State -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am available to judge as a hired judge for any school still needing to cover judging obligations for the tournament 10/17/08 to 10/19/08. I am a 45 minute drive from Nashville and am available the entire weekend. Feel free to email me back. Menzo Faassen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080924/940e4ab7/attachment.htm From kjayotte at csufresno.edu Thu Sep 25 00:01:14 2008 From: kjayotte at csufresno.edu (Kevin Ayotte) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:01:14 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Position Announcement: Tenure-track Director of Debate, California State University, Fresno Message-ID: <48DB1B1A.2000007@csufresno.edu> The California State University, Fresno, Department of Communication is searching for a tenure-track Director of Debate. The position announcement appears below. I am happy to answer questions about the search, and you are certainly welcome to direct questions to Doug Fraleigh, the Search Committee Chair as well. FORENSICS/ RHETORIC ASSISTANT PROFESSOR (TENURE TRACK) / CONVERSION (ABD) ? Available for the Academic Year: 2009/2010. ? Fresno State has been designated to the Community Engagement Classification by The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching. ? Faculty members gain a clear path to tenure through the University?s Probationary Plan Process. ? Salary placement depends upon academic preparation and professional experience. In some circumstances, exceptional faculty at higher ranks may be considered. ? Instructional Level: Undergraduate/Graduate. Commitment to Equal Employment Opportunity and Diversity: California State University, Fresno is an Affirmative Action/Equal Employment Opportunity Employer. The university is proud of its culturally diverse faculty, staff, and students, and strongly encourages applications from minorities, women, individuals with disabilities, covered veterans, and those who are interested in or experienced with community engagement. Specific Position Characteristics: The successful candidate will direct a competitive policy debate program and teach courses in argumentation, debate and/or other areas of expertise. The Director's debate responsibilities will include coaching the policy debate team, travel to regional and national tournaments, supervising graduate assistant debate coaches, and administering the debate program. (S)he will also develop and coordinate a public debate program to promote student participation and civic engagement. Specific assignments will depend on department needs. The successful candidate may be called upon to teach in a distance-learning mode and encouraged to develop web-enhanced and/or web-based instruction. Outcomes assessment and service learning are important components of the university curriculum. Faculty members are also expected to engage in service activities at all levels of the university and provide academic and professional advice to students. The successful candidate will be expected to communicate effectively and work cooperatively with faculty. Qualifications - Academic Preparation: An earned doctorate in communication or a related field OR a J.D. with significant experience coaching debate and a commitment to engage in scholarly activity is required for appointment to a tenure track position. Candidates nearing completion of the doctorate (ABD) may be considered for a lectureship (temporary position) with the possibility of conversion to tenure track upon completion of the doctorate. Qualifying degrees must be from an accredited institution or foreign equivalent. Qualifications - Teaching or Other Professional Experience: The successful candidate must have a record of excellence in intercollegiate policy debate as a competitor. A record of success as a policy debate coach is preferred. Coursework or experience teaching rhetoric, argumentation or critical thinking is preferred. Candidates must demonstrate a potential for scholarly activity at the university level. The successful candidate must have the ability to work effectively with faculty, staff, and students from diverse ethnic, cultural, and socioeconomic backgrounds. Application: Form is available online at www.csufresno.edu/aps/vacancy/sc1.pdf. Send completed application, curriculum vitae, and three current letters of reference (dated within the last 12 months) to: Dr. Douglas Fraleigh, Search Committee Chair Department of Communication California State University, Fresno 5201 N. Maple Avenue, M/S SA 46 Fresno, CA 93740 Phone: (559) 278-4292 Fax: (559) 278-4113 E-mail address: douglasf at csufresno.edu Open Until Filled: To ensure the fullest consideration of their applications, applicants are encouraged to have all application materials on file by December 5, 2008. -- Kevin J. Ayotte, Ph.D. Graduate Coordinator Department of Communication California State University, Fresno 5201 N. Maple Avenue, M/S SA46 Fresno, CA 93740-8027 Office Phone: (559) 278-4086 Email: kjayotte at csufresno.edu Fax: (559) 278-4113 From micksouders at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 18:26:24 2008 From: micksouders at gmail.com (Michael Souders) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:26:24 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Missing Laptop and more Message-ID: <899735480809231626v6900abcan441c9d66225f8927@mail.gmail.com> Hello, On Saturday afternoon at approximately 2:40pm, I walked away from my bright orange backpack in front the GCB. When I realized I had left it, I returned just before 3:30pm. It was gone. The backpack contained my Toshiba Satellite Fusion laptop, a Western Digital external hard drive, several books, including two first editions from late 19th century, and, oh yeah, all of my academic work for the past four years. Anyone who knows any information or picked it up thinking it was lost will earn my eternal gratitude and even more if I actually get even just my external hard drive back. And, while I hate to say the following, I can't rule out the possibility that someone has it illicitly. If you have it, I will ask exactly zero questions about why or how. If you have it and only give my hard drive back, I will let you have my laptop and the 19th century preaching books you are unlikely to ask about, zero questions asked. Seriously. Hell, even mail it to me anonymously if you wish. I would even ransom my stuff back, but I don't have much money. I will never mention the issue again. Let me clear, there is ZERO evidence or even the vaguest suspicion anyone in the community took my laptop. But I thought I'd lay out my situation. Mick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080923/fb6df00a/attachment.htm From blakejohnson at urbandebate.org Thu Sep 25 02:04:08 2008 From: blakejohnson at urbandebate.org (Blake Johnson) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:04:08 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] Bay Area Debaters: Past and Present -- my email Message-ID: <7c50ea8f0809250004i4ec48c1du4025b63f126092af@mail.gmail.com> Edebate finally let me in and I see that Jason's Fwd didnt include my email. blakejohnson at urbandebate.org b -- Blake Johnson Executive Director Bay Area Urban Debate League -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jrlyle at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 09:44:14 2008 From: jrlyle at gmail.com (James Lyle) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:44:14 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] judging for Kentucky available Message-ID: <25fd497f0809250744j7fcdba24y917d83a1fc7832c5@mail.gmail.com> Rob Noerr has asked me to post that he has four rounds of judging for sale at Kentucky. Email me if interested. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080925/0ed176d2/attachment.htm From wk02 at txstate.edu Thu Sep 25 12:37:41 2008 From: wk02 at txstate.edu (Kraemer, Wayne L) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:37:41 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Judging needed for UNLV Message-ID: Texas State is looking to hire. If you have rounds for sale please contact me. Thanks. Wayne wk02 at txstate.edu Wayne Kraemer Director, LBJ Debate Society Texas State University Department of Communication Studies San Marcos, Texas 78666 512-245-2331 From Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu Thu Sep 25 14:21:20 2008 From: Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu (Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:21:20 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] IMPORTANT UNLV tourney (RR and invitational) info Message-ID: 1) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE enter your team dietary info into debate results. If you are vegan or vegetarian we want to be able to accommodate your dietary needs/choices, but we can not do so if we do not know about them. We are finalizing food orders right now. We must have your team info (body count and dietary needs) by Friday morning (9/26) at 10 a.m. PST. 2) there is free wireless at the tournament hotel and on campus. We will distribute campus wireless logon info at registration. 3) We will continue our tradition of incredible vegas-style hospitality again this year. Look for free massage, tons of delicious snacks (perhaps a chocolate fountain), vegas style comps (free giveaways) and awesome trophies 4) the top judge award is in play again this year. Each individual debater will be given a ballot to vote for their favorite judge (i.e. someone who judges you at a tournament--not your own coach). The award is a really sweet poker chip set. David Register from Vermont is the defending top judge... Can anyone dethrone him??? 5) Our awards are AWESOME! The top four RR participants will receive boxing championship belts, the elim participants in all 3 divisions of the invitational tournament will receive poker chip sets. 6) Tournament prefs will be turned on either later today (Thursday 9/25) or tomorrow. There will be prefs in all 3 divisions. 7) if you have a novice team and can bring them along, please do so. We will do everything that we can to keep the novice and JV divisions separate. 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Thanks, Gus Eyzaguirre From dave at miami.edu Thu Sep 25 15:10:07 2008 From: dave at miami.edu (Steinberg, David L) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:10:07 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Unofficial Calendar Message-ID: Add Freshman/Sophomore National Championships @ Michigan State, 03/06-03/09 dates Tournament Divisions Contact Person email 09/13-09/14 Baltimore Season Opener O,JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 09/13-09/15 The Jesuit @ Gonzaga O Glen Frappier frappier at calvin.gonzaga.edu 09/19-09/21 King's College O,JV,N Mike Berry michaelberry at kings.edu 09/20-09/22 UNI Ulrich Season Opener O,JV,N Cate Palczewski palczewski at uni.edu 09/20-09/22 Georgia State University O,JV,N Joe Bellon joe.bellon at gmail.com 09/26-09/27 Rochester O,JV,N Ken Johnson kenrjohnson at msn.com 09/26-09/28 Golden Gate Season Opener SFSU O,JV,N Shawn Whalen swhalen at sfsu.edu 09/26-09/28 Clarion University Autumn Leaf Debates O,JV,N Jim Lyle jlyle at clarion.edu 09/27-09/28 Laramie Scrimage Matt Stannard stannardmatt at hotmail.com 09/27-09/29 Bear Shock @ WSU (with Mo. State) O,JV,N Jeff Jarman jeffrey.jarman at wichita.edu 09/30-10/01 Las Vegas Round Robin O Jake Thompson Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu 09/30-10/01 Kentucky Round Robin Roger Solt resolt2 at email.uky.edu 10/04-10/06 Las Vegas Classic O,JV,N Jake Thompson Jacob.Thompson at unlv.edu 10/04-10/06 Henry Clay Debates Roger Solt resolt2 at email.uky.edu 10/10-10/12 Santa Rosa Junior College O,JV,N Mark Nelson mnelson at santarosa.edu 10/10-10/12 KCKCC Blue Devil Debates O,JV,N Darren Elliott delliott at kckcc.edu 10/11-10/13 Jay Weinberg Classic @ Richmond O,JV,N Kevin Kuswa kkuswa at richmond.edu 10/17-10/19 West Point Invitational O,JV,N Bill Skimmyhorn william.skimmyhorn at usma.edu 10/17-10/19 Vanderbilt O,JV,N ML Sandoz ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu 10/17-10/19 Pepperdine Ray Buchanan Invitational O,JV,N Sarah Stone Watt sarah.stonewatt at pepperdine.edu 10/18-10/20 Idaho State Open Debates O,JV,N Sarah Partlow Lefevre partsara at isu.edu 10/18-10/20 Emporia State University (Pflaum Debates) O,JV,N Samuel Maurer smaurer at emporia.edu 10/24-10/26 Diablo Valley College O,JV,N Becky Opsata BOpsata at dvc.edu 10/25-10/26 Western Connecticut O,JV,N, Wynn Gadkar-Wilcox wilcoxw at wcsu.edu 10/25-10/27 Wayne State Motor City Classic V,JV,N Kelly Young kelly.young at wayne.edu 10/31-11/02 Robert Barbera Invitational (CSUN) O,JV,N John Kephart III csundebate at gmail.com 11/01-11/02 Frederick Douglas Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 11/01-11/03 Harvard O Dallas Perkins dperkins at fas.harvard.edu 11/07-11/09 University of Central Oklahoma O,JV,N Eric Marlow emarlow at ucok.edu 11/07-11/09 University of the Pacific O,JV,N Marlin Bates mbates at pacific.edu 11/07-11/09 Liberty O,JV,N Mike Hall mphall at liberty.edu 11/14-11/16 Appalachian State Mountaineer Debates O,JV,N Kris Willis williskw at appstate.edu 11/15-11/17 Wake Forest O Ross Smith smithr at wfu.edu 11/22-11/23 Binghamton O,JV,N joe leeson-schatz sailorferrets at gmail.com 11/22-11/23 WNPT @ Whitman O Jim Hanson hansonjb at whitman.edu 12/05-12/07 Macalester David Cram Helwich cramhelwich at gmail.com 12/05-12/07 12th Annual Austin J. Freeley Tournament O,JV,N Brent Brossmann brossmann at jcu.edu 12/06-12/07 Mid Atlantic Fall Champs O,JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 01/03-01/05 Southern California Gordon Stables stables at usc.edu 01/06-01/08 University of North Texas O,JV,N Brian Lain blain at unt.edu 01/07-01/09 Fullerton Jon Bruschke jbruschke at fullerton.edu 01/10-01/12 University of Texas at Dallas O,JV,N Chris Burk crb012000 at utdallas.edu 01/16-01/18 George Mason University O,JV,N Warren Decker wdecker at gmu.edu 01/17-01/18 Val A. Browning Round Robin O Veronica Guevara veronica_m_barreto at hotmail.com 01/17-01/19 West Georgia Mike Hester UWGDebate at gmail.com 01/23-01/25 US Naval Academy O,JV,N Danielle Verney O'Gorman daisy_verney at hotmail.com 01/24-01/26 University of California O,JV,N Greg Achten gregachten at berkeley.edu 01/24-01/26 Baylor O,JV Matt Gerber matt_gerber at baylor.edu 01/31-02/01 Umass O,JV,N 01/30-02/01 Hurricane Debates @ University of Miami O,JV,N David Steinberg dave at miami.edu 02/06-02/08 Northwestern O Daniel J. Fitzmier d-fitzmier at northwestern.edu 02/14-02/15 Cornell JV,N,Rookie Sam Nelson Samnelson4 at aol.com 02/14-02/15 Harriett Tubman O,JV,N Andy Ellis andy at baltimorecollegedebate.org 02/13-02/15 WFA @ ASU Derek Buescher dbuescher at ups.edu 02/20-02/22 NCFA @ Chico O,JV,N Sue Peterson sepeterson at csuchico.edu 02/21-02/23 Mardi Gras Policy @ UL-Lafayette Scott Elliott sme2607 at louisiana.edu 02/28-03/01 CEDA East/D8 Qualifier @ Baruch College O,JV,N Vik Keenan vikeenan at gmail.com 02/28-03/02 Northwest CEDA Champs O Jim Hanson hansonjb at whitman.edu 03/06-03/09 Fresh/Soph National Champs @ Mich. 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080925/2652f26a/attachment.htm From jmgreen at ksu.edu Thu Sep 25 16:57:31 2008 From: jmgreen at ksu.edu (Justin Green) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:57:31 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Public Plea for Tournament Directors to clarify Eligibility for divisions Message-ID: <5a6e2a80809251457i32f8b78aqba48a5f40ef04513@mail.gmail.com> There is a giant loophole in the CEDA Constitution. Before describing what it means to be a Novice, JV, and Varsity debater - it says "if a school wishes to receive CEDA points" - se below for constitutional references "RULES FOR TOURNAMENT SANCTIONING Section 4: CEDA sanctioned tournaments must abide by any and all division requirements (e.g., novice definition) and publish these requirements clearly in the tournament invitation." "ELIGIBILITY TO EARN CEDA POINTS: Section 3: A contestant may not earn CEDA points for participation in a novice or junior division of a tournament unless that student meets the following definitions:" At the University of Northern Iowa tournament, the team that took first place in the Novice division was composed of one member who did not meet the definition of novice. However, because the tournament did not specify exactly what it meant by Novice - a school was able to say - "We will purposefully place our not-novice eligible points debater in the novice division and simply not take CEDA points". The school in question has confirmed this was their intention. This interpretation does justify a school placing a Varsity team in novice or JV so that their other teams will have a net easier draw. I guess that someone could say the entire UNI tournament should not be sanctioned, but that has some constitutional problems - because the Constitution has a loophole - and seems to penalize schools that followed the rules. If you are a tournament director and do not think this is OK, then I suggest including in the invitation a statement that says: "A team may not compete in a division they may not earn CEDA points in, unless a waiver has been obtained by officials from CEDA or the tournament director has identified a special circumstance". ADA sanctioned tournaments do not have to deal with this problem. I am not hating on that school; they played within the rules. KSU has played with the rules of JV - although never in novice and never at the first tournament. I will propose an amendment to the CEDA similar to the statement above. Thanks for your time, Justin Green ahessler at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080925/92588cfe/attachment.htm From malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com Thu Sep 25 19:44:36 2008 From: malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com (M G) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:44:36 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] ill state novice team Message-ID: I judged that team in finals. I won't speak to whether or not said debater met the formal guidelines, though I'm pretty sure he actually did. Regardless, the debater was a novice. I have both debated and judged a lot of JV in my D3 days, and a lot of novice. There was literally no competitive advantage, and it was obvious that the debater had very few rounds of policy debate. This is probably a reason why it's good to not force someone up a division. I don't think there is any conspiracy to own the jv and novice divisions and not earn points, and frankly I think when we are dealing with students who have little to no experience in debate, we should be very flexible and tailor our understanding to what's best for them. For this student it was apparent that novice was an appropriate division, at least for a while longer. I'm sure there was no intent on Ill State's part, and Stan (who I love like a brother, and have known for many years, but is secretly a dirty, dirty Rams fan) was correct in placing the kid in novice. I think J Green's concerns are relevant-certainly putting an 'open' team in jv or novice would not be desirable, but this should be taken up on a tournament by tournament basis. Some students probably need to be in JV or novice longer than others. I needed JV when I started in college....good god did I need JV. I remember asking culp how to perm a K in the middle of my 2ac at my first tournament. Oh to be young again. 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The idea of having a student who is not eligible for points competing in a division is still a possibility and can be avoided with previously suggested language for division requirements. Sincerely, Justin Green -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080925/69ea0559/attachment.htm From scottelliott at grandecom.net Thu Sep 25 22:03:50 2008 From: scottelliott at grandecom.net (scottelliott at grandecom.net) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:03:50 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] A need to revisit the Novice eligibility rule Message-ID: <1222398230.48dc51162c477@webmail.grandecom.net> First, let me publicly admit to CEDA President Darren Elliott that I was wrong, and that Jackie Massey was wrong. There appears to be a jump on novice participation, based on GSU entires (not a representative sample, though). So, ya got me. I knew something was out of whack in the universe when I agreed with Jackie. That being said, I had a student quit debating this week. Why? Because no JV debater on my team would debate with him. It is mean. It is not what we would want. But, if you were in their shoes, would you put in the amount of work necessary to win JV, knowing that it is inevitable that you will lose? This student has some issues that make it difficult, if not impossible to achieve success in JV, and never in varsity. Under the old rules, he would have had a semester of novice eligibility. He would have had another semester to attempt debate. In the current system, he is in JV and he ends up quitting. I do not know the solution. I have no "plan" or "solvency." I just think we need to rethink our ideas concerning the goals of this organization and whether our policies concerning novice eligibility serve the pedagogical goals of CEDA. G--dammmit...Jackie's evil Kritik theories are starting to rub off on me. Scott From pacedebate at aol.com Thu Sep 25 22:24:06 2008 From: pacedebate at aol.com (pacedebate at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:24:06 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] A need to revisit the Novice eligibility rule In-Reply-To: <1222398230.48dc51162c477@webmail.grandecom.net> References: <1222398230.48dc51162c477@webmail.grandecom.net> Message-ID: <8CAED9E775A39E5-F40-1F62@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> Why not just give up the CEDA points and let this person debate in novice? Justin referred to it as an "oversight" but way back when I spent time discussing these issues and worked on such a rule the wording was intentional for exactly this reason. If a director thinks their students are better served by remaining in novice they should have the option of doing so. The price they pay which should reduce abuse is letting directors put the interest of their students above a few ceda points. Tim Mahoney Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas 10600 Preston Road Dallas, TX 75230 214-346-8141 214-734-3673 cell -----Original Message----- From: scottelliott at grandecom.net To: edebate at ndtceda.com Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:03 pm Subject: [eDebate] A need to revisit the Novice eligibility rule First, let me publicly admit to CEDA President Darren Elliott that I was wrong, and that Jackie Massey was wrong. There appears to be a jump on novice participation, based on GSU entires (not a representative sample, though). So, ya got me. I knew something was out of whack in the universe when I agreed with Jackie. That being said, I had a student quit debating this week. Why? Because no JV debater on my team would debate with him. It is mean. It is not what we would want. But, if you were in their shoes, would you put in the amount of work necessary to win JV, knowing that it is inevitable that you will lose? This student has some issues that make it difficult, if not impossible to achieve success in JV, and never in varsity. Under the old rules, he would have had a semester of novice eligibility. He would have had another semester to attempt debate. In the current system, he is in JV and he ends up quitting. I do not know the solution. I have no "plan" or "solvency." I just think we need to rethink our ideas concerning the goals of this organization and whether our policies concerning novice eligibility serve the pedagogical goals of CEDA. G--dammmit...Jackie's evil Kritik theories are starting to rub off on me. Scott _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at www.ndtceda.com http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080925/b7ddf997/attachment.htm From kristopherwillis at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 08:15:24 2008 From: kristopherwillis at hotmail.com (Kris Willis) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:15:24 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] A need to revisit the Novice eligibility rule In-Reply-To: <8CAED9E775A39E5-F40-1F62@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> References: <1222398230.48dc51162c477@webmail.grandecom.net> <8CAED9E775A39E5-F40-1F62@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I agree with Tim. I am a proponent of "moving" people along in divisions, but I will always maintain that if someone is keeping a debater in a division and willing to sacrifice the points, then their intention is probably a good one and as the coach they would be better suited to make that judgement. Kris To: edebate at ndtceda.com Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:24:06 -0400 From: pacedebate at aol.com Subject: Re: [eDebate] A need to revisit the Novice eligibility rule Why not just give up the CEDA points and let this person debate in novice? Justin referred to it as an "oversight" but way back when I spent time discussing these issues and worked on such a rule the wording was intentional for exactly this reason. If a director thinks their students are better served by remaining in novice they should have the option of doing so. The price they pay which should reduce abuse is letting directors put the interest of their students above a few ceda points. Tim Mahoney Director of Debate, St. Mark's School of Texas 10600 Preston Road Dallas, TX 75230 214-346-8141 214-734-3673 cell -----Original Message----- From: scottelliott at grandecom.net To: edebate at ndtceda.com Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:03 pm Subject: [eDebate] A need to revisit the Novice eligibility rule First, let me publicly admit to CEDA President Darren Elliott that I was wrong, and that Jackie Massey was wrong. There appears to be a jump on novice participation, based on GSU entires (not a representative sample, though). So, ya got me. I knew something was out of whack in the universe when I agreed with Jackie. That being said, I had a student quit debating this week. Why? Because no JV debater on my team would debate with him. It is mean. It is not what we would want. But, if you were in their shoes, would you put in the amount of work necessary to win JV, knowing that it is inevitable that you will lose? This student has some issues that make it difficult, if not impossible to achieve success in JV, and never in varsity. Under the old rules, he would have had a semester of novice eligibility. He would have had another semester to attempt debate. In the current system, he is in JV and he ends up quitting. I do not know the solution. I have no "plan" or "solvency." I just think we need to rethink our ideas concerning the goals of this organization and whether our policies concerning novice eligibility serve the pedagogical goals of CEDA. G--dammmit...Jackie's evil Kritik theories are starting to rub off on me. 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Hill Program Coordinator Northwestern Debate Society 847-467-0345 (o) 678-852-9280 (c) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080926/61183d4c/attachment.htm From Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu Fri Sep 26 11:24:57 2008 From: Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu (Gary Larson) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:24:57 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky judging update Message-ID: <48DCC689.3F5C.0033.0@wheaton.edu> With one week to go, a number of entered teams still need to finalize their judging so that everyone can complete their pref sheets (which are open). Prior to next Wednesday evening, we need to have everyone lock down their judging (taking into consideration the additional round of judging per team for entries beyond the first two teams). It would be extremely helpful if everyone who is hiring judging from another school indicate exactly who will be covering the rounds and for each judge selling rounds to another school that they indicate whose rounds they are covering (using the comment field). Thanks, GARY From luvmarissa at hotmail.com Fri Sep 26 12:22:03 2008 From: luvmarissa at hotmail.com (Marissa Silber) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:22:03 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Need 1-3 more rounds of Vegas judging Message-ID: Sorry to clutter people's email, but Florida needs to hire 1-3 more rounds of judging at Vegas. 25 dollars a round - please let me know if you can judge. Thanks, Marissa _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As part of his Presidential Debate preview, Nate Silver -- of FiveThirtyEight.com and author of most of your uniqueness cards -- makes an explicit shout-out to Ross Smith's post on Debate Scoop/Daily Kos. Both are good reading materials before the debate. Nate's piece is currently second on the page and is called: "Debate Goals" (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/) (Nate also positively comments on the Wake Debate team in this piece). That article includes a link to Ross's article as well. A direct link to Ross's article can be accessed via: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/26/163743/420/553/611691 Congrats to Ross.. I mean, it's pretty cool. -- Will From jrlyle at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 20:56:46 2008 From: jrlyle at gmail.com (James Lyle) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:56:46 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Clarion Debate Tournament and the Presidential Debate Message-ID: <25fd497f0809261856p6a1793fdo6fe5ac4cb3174c60@mail.gmail.com> I would just like to note that 100-150 debaters are sitting in a conference room following the first 2 rounds of the day at the Clarion Debate Tournament watching the Presidential Debate. Watching, absorbing, blogging on DebateScoop. It would be easy for people to go back to the hotel and do whatever but they're here. Kudos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of) KW Baylor LR Hubbard 328 Easley, Terri Kansas State CW Oklahoma CD Hubbard 223 Petit, Louie Missouri State GK Central Oklahoma (un HS Hubbard 218 Vega, Matt Missouri State HH Baylor FH Hubbard 229 Brown, Zach Missouri State HR Kansas State DR Hubbard 209 Hamilton, Cade Missouri State HS Oklahoma WZ Hubbard 226 Doris, Kathleen Missouri State RS Wichita State AW Hubbard 327 Gordon, Malcolm Missouri-kansas City AG Texas-dallas CD Hubbard 208 Farmer, Matt Missouri-kansas City BB Texas San Antonio MT Hubbard 325 Johnson, Jessica Missouri-kansas City CF Baylor MN Hubbard 227 Johnson, Spencer Missouri-kansas City CM Missouri State FS Hubbard 211 Cleary, Conor Missouri-kansas City JS Oklahoma BY Hubbard 220 Davis, James Oklahoma KK North Texas (univ.) MR Hubbard 230 Zarazan, Kyle Oklahoma KT Baylor BJ Hubbard 228 Dipiazza, Philip Oklahoma NW Northern Iowa (univ.) MM Hubbard 231 Allen, Isaac Texas-dallas PS Missouri State KR Hubbard Atrium Smith, Ryan Bear Shock (Wichita) -- Junior Wichita State 9/27/2008 through 9/29/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 1 -- START TIME: 8:00 Central Oklahoma (un DS Oklahoma CE Linquist 112 Tripe-roberts, H Johnson County GW Central Oklahoma (un FS Linquist 111 Weitz, Michael Kansas (univ. Of) DK Johnson County BB Linquist 113 Burke, Micky Kansas City Kansas C FS Missouri-kansas City HS Linquist 503 Howard, Casey Kansas City Kansas C NT Oklahoma BS Linquist 325 Kearney, Michael Kansas State MW Johnson County BH Linquist 310 Russell, Jason Missouri State FL Central Oklahoma (un CE Linquist 109 greenwalt, dusti Missouri-kansas City BE Wichita State PS Linquist 500 Harr, Kelsey Texas San Antonio BK Emporia State U. HH Lindquist 104 Warner, Ben Texas San Antonio CT Johnson County BG Linquist 114 Walters, Heather Wichita State CK Oklahoma BV Jabara 128 Morris, Eric Wichita State CM Kansas State FL Linquist 105 "jt" Taylor, Jam Bear Shock (Wichita) -- Novice Wichita State 9/27/2008 through 9/29/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 1 -- START TIME: 8:00 Johnson County CT Missouri State SW Jabara 104 Steece, Sarah Johnson County GV Kansas State CG Jabara 127 Lieurance, Billy Oklahoma LP Kansas City Kansas C AB Jabara 126 Hodges, George Oklahoma PR BYE Bear Shock (Wichita) -- Open Wichita State 9/27/2008 through 9/29/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 2 -- START TIME: 10:30 Baylor BJ Kansas (univ. Of) KW Hubbard 328 Johnson, Jessica Baylor FH Missouri State HS Hubbard 226 Vega, Matt Baylor LR Oklahoma NW Hubbard 231 Johnson, Spencer Baylor MN Oklahoma KT Hubbard 228 Doris, Kathleen Central Oklahoma (un HS Missouri-kansas City CF Hubbard 227 Roberts, Jeff Kansas State DR Missouri-kansas City BB Hubbard 325 Cleary, Conor Missouri State FS Emporia State U. WW Hubbard 219 Tripe-roberts, H Missouri State KR Missouri-kansas City JS Hubbard Atrium Hamilton, Cade North Texas (univ.) MR Missouri State GK Hubbard 220 greenwalt, dusti Northern Iowa (univ.) MM Missouri-kansas City CM Hubbard 211 Easley, Terri Oklahoma BY Kansas State CW Hubbard 223 Ketchum, Scott Oklahoma CD Texas-dallas PS Hubbard 218 "jt" Taylor, Jam Oklahoma ES Missouri State HR Hubbard 209 Zarazan, Kyle Oklahoma WZ Missouri-kansas City AG Hubbard 208 Davis, James Texas San Antonio MT Missouri State HH Hubbard 229 Harr, Kelsey Texas-dallas CD Missouri State RS Hubbard 327 Smith, Ryan Wichita State AW Oklahoma KK Hubbard 230 Dipiazza, Philip Bear Shock (Wichita) -- Junior Wichita State 9/27/2008 through 9/29/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 2 -- START TIME: 10:30 Central Oklahoma (un CE Johnson County GW Linquist 111 Kearney, Michael Central Oklahoma (un FS Texas San Antonio BK Lindquist 104 Massey, Jackie Emporia State U. HH Kansas State MW Linquist 310 Petit, Louie Johnson County BB Texas San Antonio CT Linquist 113 Gordon, Malcolm Johnson County BG Kansas City Kansas C NT Linquist 114 Halley, Cale Johnson County BH Kansas (univ. Of) DK Jabara 128 Allen, Isaac Kansas State FL Kansas City Kansas C FS Linquist 503 Russell, Jason Missouri-kansas City HS Wichita State CM Linquist 105 Lieurance, Billy Oklahoma BS Central Oklahoma (un DS Linquist 325 Hodges, George Oklahoma BV Missouri-kansas City BE Linquist 500 Brown, Zach Oklahoma CE Wichita State CK Linquist 112 Farmer, Matt Wichita State PS Missouri State FL Linquist 109 Topp, Sarah Bear Shock (Wichita) -- Novice Wichita State 9/27/2008 through 9/29/2008 SCHEDULE FOR ROUND 2 -- START TIME: 10:30 Johnson County CT BYE Kansas City Kansas C AB Johnson County GV Jabara 127 Steece, Sarah Kansas State CG Oklahoma PR Jabara 104 Crockett, Clay Missouri State SW Oklahoma LP Jabara 126 Abbas, Ahmad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080927/f95be7b6/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080927/25e25d1d/attachment.htm From sailorferrets at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 07:44:49 2008 From: sailorferrets at gmail.com (joe leeson-schatz) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:44:49 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Binghamton Debate Tournament Invite Message-ID: The Nineteenth Annual Forensics Festivals Invite 11/22/08 - 11/23/08 AWARDS: Unfortunately do to administrative issues we will no longer be able to donate money to non-profit organizations for awards. However, we will provide unique and interesting awards that will make any debater proud to take home in order to make up for it. POLICY DIVISIONS: In order to promote novice debate and in order to offer all three divisions, while we will abide by CEDA eligibility guidelines, we strongly convince you to register debaters as follows: Novice debaters should include students who have competed in less than three tournaments so that newly joining debaters aren't tournaments behind more advanced novice debaters. Those schools that wish to enter Rookie teams should register them in novice and e-mail me their names and the intent for them to be Rookies. In the world enough Rookie teams enter we will have a separate division, otherwise we will have breakout rounds for those identified as Rookie. We ask all debaters that have either three tournaments of experience or have advanced in elimination rounds to register in the JV bracket. We ask all debaters who are in their second year or more of policy experience, and have advanced to elimination rounds at least once, enter the Open division, which welcomes more experienced debaters as well. The novice division will host 5 rounds with one educational round to watch, while the JV and Open divisions will have the full 6 rounds. The hope in doing this is to promote continual participation and education of new novices as well as allow more experienced debaters to push themselves to their limits by debating up, which is another excellent means of learning how to debate. In the event we cannot break all brackets to at least semifinals we will collapse the JV and Open bracket but we hope this will not be the case. WORLD'S DIVISION: Registration should be e-mailed to sailorferrets at gmail.com by the Thursday before the tournament (11/20/08) at the latest. Fees and schedule will be the same as policy division listed below. You are required to bring one judge for every three teams you have registered. NOW THE NORMAL INFO: Registration: $35 per person in attendance. Checks should be made out to "Binghamton Debate Team" (but in the spirit of new organizations, all student run teams will have their registration fees waived, with the encouragement to be extra active in the other fundraising events, which will have awards as well) Uncovered Team: $100 ($200 for full obligation, this however cannot be waived); we encourage schools to bring extra judges if possible. Entries should be done on debateresults.com or sent to Joe Schatz at sailorferrets at gmail.com, with a cc sent to bsdeboard at listserv.binghamton.edu. They can also be phoned in to Joe at 607-765-3659. We will be accepting registration up until the Thursday (11/20/08) before the tournament at 6pm. Any changes after that time should be phoned in immediately. Entries should include names of debaters and which divisions, as well as a list of judges. Hotel Information: Holiday Inn ? University, Vestal NY is directly across the street from the University. A mere hop, skip, and/or jump from the tournament. Reservations can be place by calling the Holiday Inn at 607-729-6371. Alternative accommodations can be made at the Skylark Motor Lodge at a cheaper rate. It's located about five minutes away from campus on the same road as University (Rt 434). Reservations can be made by calling 607-748-3392. Schedule: We advocate reasonable starting times for debates to allow for coaching and still run a punctual tournament. Rounds will NOT run late, and all WILL be pleased. We have no delusion on getting out late, and we will provide snacks throughout so no one will starve. Anyone who has medical reasons for needing to consume flesh will be accommodated if specified at the time of registration. Any other allergies or medical dietary needs will be met as well. Sat, November 22nd 6:45am-7:25am Late Registration 7:30am Pairings for Round 1 & 2 8:00am-10:15am Round 1 10:45am-1:00pm Round 2 1:00pm-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm Pairings for Round 3 & 4 2:30pm-4:45pm Round 3 5:15pm-7:30pm Round 4 7:45pm Pairings for Round 5 8:15pm-10:30pm Round 5 (JV & Open, Novice Watch) Sun, November 23rd 7:00am Pairings 7:30am-10:00am Round 5 (Novice), Round 6 (JV & Open) 10:30am Pairings for first elimination round released 11:15am-1:30pm First elimination round 1:30pm-2:30pm Awards & Lunch 3:15-5:30pm Second elimination round 6:15-8:15pm Third elimination round 8:45-11:00pm Fourth elimination round (If needed, if not we'll start the day later) Directions: Binghamton University is located one mile west of the city of Binghamton (in Vestal) and is a short drive from major urban centers in New York and neighboring states. A number of bus companies serve the area, and the Binghamton Regional Airport provides major airline service. Follow 81 North or South to 17 West, toward Elmira, get off at exit 70S, heading towards "Binghamton Univ." Construction has changed the nature of what happens next this year so pay attention. You should stay in the left lanes and take the skyway over the traffic circle, which will put you on the Fredrick Johnson Bridge (201S). To hotel: take the second exit (434 East) and the Holiday Inn will be on your right and the University on your left. Take your first right and turn into the parking lot, or continue down 434 East for several miles until the Skylark on your left near a Burger King, Vestal High School, and the Skylark Diner. To campus: take the third and final exist (434 West). Stay in the right lane that will put you on campus. You'll hit traffic circle. You want to take the circle but stay to your right and not veer off entirely by simply going right. If you've done the maneuver correctly you'll pass a parking garage on your right. Continue to follow the road until it puts you in front of a whole bunch of parking meters, which will happen after it makes you veer right. Meter parking is free on weekends and the Fine Arts building is right in front of you. Registration is on the second floor. Signs should be posted around campus to make this process easier for you. Hotel to campus: turn left coming out onto 434 at the intersection with Denny's, then turn right onto campus at the next traffic light and follow above directions. joe leeson-schatz director of debate at binghamton university campaigns coordinator of the binghamton/vestal vegan association From agswanlek at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 20:43:46 2008 From: agswanlek at gmail.com (Aaron Swanlek) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:43:46 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Clarion Tournament Reward Message-ID: Hey y'all Great tournament so far but.... 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If you want to judge even one or two extra, please let me know. We pay cash at the tournament, Greg From jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu Sun Sep 28 15:07:34 2008 From: jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu (Gordie Miller) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:07:34 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Rochester"The Brad" Speaker Awards Message-ID: <48dfe406.22e.17c3.28875@mail.rochester.edu> Here are the speaker results from the Brad Smith Debate Tournament, known as "the Brad" elim results later Speakers JV 1. Timothy Liu- The New School 2. Maryam Belly- Binghamton 3. Kayla Khan- USMA 4. Matthew Torsiello- Binghamton 5. Kier Elmonairy- USMA 6. Tianyi Xin- USMA 7. Brian Chung- USMA 8. Bill Sebelle- Binghamton 9. Derrick Jerke- USMA 10. Pete Groh- Binghamton Speakers Open 1. Shree Awsare- The New School 2. Margeaux Lippman- Marist 3. John Karin- Cornell 4. Jonathan Dentler- The New School 5. Sean Swanson- Western Connecticut 6. Marnie Ritchie- Vermont 7. Rona Yang- Rochester 8. Wan Cha- Rochester 9. Zain Pasha- Cornell 10. Sam Timinsky-Marist Speakers- Novice 1. Peter Fountain-Binghamton 2. Frederick Heitjan- USMA 3. Lauren Cameron- Binghamton 4. John MaClean- USMA 5. Karim Mohammed- Rochester 6. Zach Lorsch- Cornell 7. Nathan Ramia- USMA 8. Dominic Eldanza- Cornell 9. Wuwei Chen- Rochester 10. Conor Beath- Bard Speakers Worlds 1. Sam Natale-Vermont 2. Stephen West -Colgate 3. Joe Damiba- RIT 4. Alia Bellwood- St Johns 5. Andrew Pike- Colgate 6. Chris Tosswill- RIT 7. Andrew Eldredge Colgate 8. David Hernandez- Hobart & William Smith 9. Shreshth Jain- St. Johns 10. Dan Maguire- Hobart and William Smith From jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu Sun Sep 28 15:58:11 2008 From: jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu (Gordie Miller) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:58:11 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Policy elims Message-ID: <48dfefe3.15.6152.29644@mail.rochester.edu> Here's where we're at in policy worlds result to follow Novice Octo?s Bing FT advances without debating New School AR def Bing DR 2-1 Langone, Kasker, (Gaskell) Bing CJ def Vermont BS 3-0 Stevens, Keenan, Webster Cornell MS def NYU MS 3-0 Rubino, Register, Ostrovsky Cornell LL def New School PS 3-0 Kasker,C., Ayers, Voight USMA DH def Vermont MR 3-0 Baker, Keeton, Maffie USMA HI def Cornell ER 3-0 Maritato, Brad Smith ?the Brad?, Marty USMA MR def Western Conn FJ 3-0 Knops, Gunther, Bach Novice Quarters Bing CJ v. USMA HI Wilcox, Passeser, Khan Bing FT v. Cornell MS Kasker, C, Gaskell, Baker New School AR v. Cornell LL Gartman, Fletcher, Schatz USMA MR adv over USMA DH JV Octo?s Bing BS def USMA CT 3-0 Kelsie, Liao, Montano Bing BT Bing GS New School IL USMA CJ USMA EK USMA HX USMA MN JV Quarters Bing BT adv over Bing GS USMA HX adv over USMA MN USMA CJ v Bing BS Keenan, Merkle, Flores USMA EK v New School IL Liao, Gunther, Knops Open Semis Cornell HP adv Cornell KK New School AD def Marist LT 3-0 Rosen, Gartman, Wilcox Open Finals Cornell HP (A) v. New School AD Webster, Patrice, Rubino From jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu Sun Sep 28 19:04:48 2008 From: jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu (Gordie Miller) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:04:48 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] "The Brad" Worlds Results Message-ID: <48e01ba0.61.177a.14443@mail.rochester.edu> World?s results from ?The Brad? Quaterfinalists ?This house would make smokers? pay for their own medical expenses? Colgate A, Bard A, Colgate B, St John?s D Colston, Nelson, Dechow Hobart and William Smith C, Cornell J, HWS E, Vermont B Llano, Goldberg, D. Schatz St John?s A, RIT A, Cornell K, RIT B Barnes, Hock, J. Smith Vermont H, HWS A, Colgate C, Cornell D Nystrom, Figgins, Chieco Semifinals ?This house would recognize the independence of the breakaway Georgian provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Colgate A, Colgate B, HWS C, Cornell J Nystrom, Heffernan, Torda RIT A, St. Johns A, HWS A, Colgate C Nelson, Figgins, Chieco Finals ?This house believes allowing United States? troops to pursue Al Qaeda and the Taliban into Pakistani territory is justified? RIT A, Colgate C, Colgate B, Colgate A Chieco, Nelson, Llano Champions Colgate A ?Andrew Eldredge & Stephen West 2nd Place RIT A- Joe Damiba & Chris Tosswill 3rd Place Colgate C- Andrew Pike & Travis Steele Finalist Colgate B- Grafton Connor & Austrin Schwartz From dsmnd_mason at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:21:29 2008 From: dsmnd_mason at yahoo.com (Desmond Mason) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Emporia State WW Message-ID: <923566.33101.qm@web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Ryan and Toya, or anybody that could get back to me, I need cites for your affirmative. Thanks in advance. Dez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Johnson Finals Bing CJ & Bing FT Co-Champions JV Octo?s Bing BS def USMA CT 3-0 Kelsie, Liao, Montano Bing BT Bing GS New School IL USMA CJ USMA EK USMA HX USMA MN JV Quarters Bing BT adv over Bing GS USMA HX adv over USMA MN Bing BS def USMA CJ 2-1 (Keenan), Merkle, Flores New School IL def USMA EK 3-0 Liao, Gunther, Knops JV Semis New School IL def Bing BS 3-0 Ayers, Gaskell, Rubino USMA HX def Bing BT 2-1 (Kelsie), Merkle, Montano JV Finals New School IL v. USMA HX Miller, G, Johnson, K, Girouard, M Open Semis Cornell HP adv Cornell KK New School AD def Marist LT 3-0 Rosen, Gartman, Wilcox Open Finals New School AD def Cornell HP 3-0 Webster, Patrice, Rubino From n.felice at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 21:40:03 2008 From: n.felice at gmail.com (Nicholas Felice) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:40:03 -0700 Subject: [eDebate] I want to judge and coach IN LOS ANGELES / Nick Felice Married Cera Schreiner/Fiore/now Felice Message-ID: I need a debate fix really bad. I live in Pasadena and I'm not super fond of driving in traffic or driving more than 15 miles during the week cause I'm a 9-5er, but I'm down for whatever people need on the weekends. I graduated from NYU, where I debated for the Coalition, way back in 2007 and I'm really looking forward to contributing to the greater Los Angeles debate community. Please email me if you can hook it up. Also my longtime girlfriend/former debate partner Cera and I got married a couple of days ago (she says she doesn't want to come back to the activity but I think maybe she could be persuaded). Nick Felice n.felice at gmail.com From mardigras23 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 28 23:02:43 2008 From: mardigras23 at hotmail.com (Aaron Kall) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:02:43 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] McCain campaign sending Brett O'Donnell to help Palin Message-ID: The campaign is sending in Sen. McCain's debate coach, Brett O'Donnell, to help with her preparation, advisers said http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122265784614384667.html _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080929/87bca5a1/attachment.htm From jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu Mon Sep 29 00:11:58 2008 From: jmill12 at mail.rochester.edu (Gordie Miller) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:11:58 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] JV Finals Message-ID: <48e0639e.1fd.521.28307@mail.rochester.edu> The Final Result is in. In JV New School IL defeated USMA HX on a 2-1 decision. Ken Johnson and Gordie Miller voted Aff for New School with Mike Girouard voting for the Army on the neg. Thanks to everyone for attending. Time to rest Gordie From christy.webster at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 02:55:51 2008 From: christy.webster at gmail.com (Christy Webster) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:55:51 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to the ROC Message-ID: <59b051810809290055t20773003te514c6534980ed91@mail.gmail.com> I know I am a bit biased as an alumna, but I wanted to thank Ken, Gordie, Brady, Mike, Buddy, Mike, Brad, Ms. Smith, the Rochester debaters and everyone else who contributed to running such a great tournament. The hospitality was top notch, the tabbing extremely debate friendly and efficient and familiar faces abundant. It was nice to see everyone out at the first CEDA East tournament and thanks again to ROC for hosting such a good weekend of debate. -- Best, Christy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The audience are primarily mid-level managers at Korean corporations, Korean government officials and government officials from a wide range of developing nations in South Asia, Southeast Asia, Africa and Latin America and Europe. Teaching Load: Classes will run Monday through Friday, for 4 hours each day. There will be a break on the 26th and 27th of January for the Lunar New Year holiday prior to the conclusion of the term. Weekends are free for sightseeing, skiing, or enjoying the fine culinary, cultural and social options that a city of 15 million people has to offer! Application Deadline: October 31, 2008 Qualifications: Applicants should possess at least a Master?s Degree in business, the humanities or the social sciences with experience in teaching public speaking, debate, or academic writing. Experience teaching ESL/ELD students (non-native English speakers) is highly preferred. Salary: Faculty will be paid W75,000 per hour of teaching (approximately $75 per hour). Net compensation should be around $5000 for the month. Faculty will be required to provide their own plane ticket and housing. The KDI School will help in reserving hotel or hostel space for faculty members. Application Procedures: Please send the following material to Jason Jarvis (Director of the Preliminary Term) @: debatekorea at gmail.com Additionally, please CC a copy of your application to: gskim at kdischool.ac.kr 1) A cover letter that includes your name, email address, phone number (cell phone is preferred) and a fax number if it is available. 2) A current Curriculum Vitae The Application Deadline is October 31, 2008 Chosen faculty members will be notified on or before November 14, 2008. Jason L. 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Tara Tate Glenbrook South Debate Co-Director, 2008 Glenbrooks _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080929/f45985c8/attachment.htm From dperkins at fas.harvard.edu Mon Sep 29 09:46:22 2008 From: dperkins at fas.harvard.edu (Dallas Perkins) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [eDebate] Henry Clay Hotel Room?? Message-ID: I need one more room at the tournament hotel for the Henry Clay Debates at Kentucky. If anybody has any extra, please let me know. Thanks, dp From ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu Mon Sep 29 11:06:21 2008 From: ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu (Sandoz, M L) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:06:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [eDebate] Vanderbilt Tournament Message-ID: <2736.129.59.250.146.1222704381.squirrel@vuwebmail.vanderbilt.edu> Numbers are growing - Esp in Novice and Varsity. There are still at least 7 schools who have indicated they will compete, but are not on debateresults. If possible, please enter on debateresults so we can accommodate as many people as possible. Thanks ------------------------------------------------- Sandoz, M L Director of Debate Vanderbilt University Email: mary.l.sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu From adri.debate at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:18:02 2008 From: adri.debate at gmail.com (Adrienne F. Brovero) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:18:02 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking to hire rounds at Richmond Message-ID: <50704d760809290918vd64f10cicd53743f53d10213@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks - Looking to hire rounds at Richmond, Sat Oct 11 - Mon Oct 13 We pay cash, at tourney. Contact me if interested. -Adrienne -- Adrienne F. Brovero Debate Coach UMW Debate 540-654-2128 "Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive." -John F. Kennedy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080929/c3588c05/attachment.htm From Kenneth.M.Strange at Dartmouth.EDU Mon Sep 29 11:58:55 2008 From: Kenneth.M.Strange at Dartmouth.EDU (Kenneth M. Strange) Date: 29 Sep 2008 12:58:55 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] hotel rooms @ KY Message-ID: <139878461@newvixen.Dartmouth.EDU> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080929/0213955a/attachment.txt From vikeenan at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 12:10:46 2008 From: vikeenan at gmail.com (V I Keenan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:10:46 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to Rochester Message-ID: As always, it was great to see everyone in the region. The Roch did a fantastic job of offering hospitality and quality debates and accommodating any and all requests. Thanks to Ken, Gordie, all of the Yellowjacket alums, and all of the debaters. Special thanks to Brad Smith himself, who judged one of our teams, and his wonderful wife Jane who has tournament management down to a science. And a special thank you to whomever ensured the rain stayed minimal and the sun even came out. It turns our Rochester can have nice weather - I didn't need to use one tunnel all weekend. See folks at West Point! -VIK -- Vik Keenan Director - Baruch Debate, CUNY Assoc. Director - New York Coalition of Colleges 212/992-9641 or 347/683-6894 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080929/20ab0738/attachment.htm From max.o.archer at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 13:06:09 2008 From: max.o.archer at gmail.com (Max Archer) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:06:09 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Novice Swing Partner at UNLV Message-ID: <1944fe1d0809291106j66440255s31ce910530fcc166@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for a novice swing partner for the UNLV tournament. 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Successful candidates will demonstrate the potential to conduct research in an area of specialty. Qualifications: Ph.D. is strongly preferred for both positions, although ABD will be considered if mutually accepted completion date of Ph.D. can be established. Initial review of applications will begin October 27, 2008 and continue until the positions are filled. To assure full consideration, application materials including detailed letter indicating fit to the position, current vita, copies of academic transcripts, and three letters of recommendation should be sent to: Dr. Larry W. Long, Executive Director, School of Communication, Campus Box 4480, Illinois State University, Normal, IL 61790-4480. The School of Communication serves 800 undergraduate and 85 graduate students and is housed in the College of Arts and Sciences. The School offers degrees in Communication Studies, Mass Communication, Journalism and Public Relations and maintains a top rated master's degree in communication. The School has research and graphics/desktop computer labs, student radio and television stations, and the National Public Radio affiliate WGLT-FM. A variety of active student co-curricular organizations are promoted, including a Student Television Workshop, a nationally ranked forensics program, Lambda Pi Eta, NCA Student Club, and the Public Relations Student Society of America. The University is also home to The Daily Vidette, a top-ten student newspaper. Illinois State enrolls 21,000 students and is centrally located between Chicago and St. Louis. Women and people from diverse racial, ethnic, and cultural backgrounds are especially encouraged to apply. Illinois State University is an equal opportunity and affirmative action university encouraging diversity. From mharris02 at drury.edu Mon Sep 29 20:49:56 2008 From: mharris02 at drury.edu (Martin Harris) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:49:56 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] DC-UDL (Marshall-Brennan debate league) Message-ID: <451372279EE24E4992ED27B99AC5577304A8825C@EXVS1.drury.edu> Can anyone tell me if the DC UDL still exists, and who the contact person would be? I ask because I was asked but I didn't know the answer and can't find any information from Google that is recent. I figured someone on this list would know for sure. Martin Harris Systems Engineer - Desktop Architecture Drury University-Technology Services Office: 417-873-7848 Fax: 417-873-7835 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact Halpinml at muohio.edu as soon as possible if interested. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/4cee2a36/attachment.htm From davismk13 at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 11:48:28 2008 From: davismk13 at gmail.com (Mike Davis) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:48:28 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Thanks to Clarion Message-ID: <9a7f6f740809300948u684f31e5w1e0b23f2df6d3b36@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Jim and the rest of the crew for a great weekend in Clarion. The tournament was well run and the students who helped run ballots (and bring me a Mountain Dew before I had to judge) we great. I cannot think of a tournament where you get more for your money. Also, the tournament is at the same time as ALF (Autumn Leaf Festival). So it would be a great tournament to bring the whole family next year. Or it is just a great place to be if you want deep fried oreos, twinkies or snickers (yes, I had all three). Mike -- Dr. Michael Davis Director of Debate/Assistant Professor James Madison University From berchnorto at msn.com Tue Sep 30 12:20:19 2008 From: berchnorto at msn.com (NEIL BERCH) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:20:19 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] McCain campaign sending Brett O'Donnell to help Palin References: Message-ID: As an Obama supporter, I think things look pretty good. Two things worry me, however: 1. The Democrats are so skilled at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 2. Brett doesn't lose very often. --Neil Berch West Virginia University ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Kall To: edebate at ndtceda.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: [eDebate] McCain campaign sending Brett O'Donnell to help Palin The campaign is sending in Sen. McCain's debate coach, Brett O'Donnell, to help with her preparation, advisers said http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122265784614384667.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. See Now _______________________________________________ eDebate mailing list eDebate at www.ndtceda.com http://www.ndtceda.com/mailman/listinfo/edebate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/29cff680/attachment.htm From oguevara at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 12:26:18 2008 From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:26:18 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Wyoming Love Message-ID: It is hard not to love the University of Wyoming Debate Team: great students, long history of success, strong leadership in the community. But I'd like to add another consideration: Fiscal Prudence. At a time when directors are struggling to meet a confluence of factors (demands for increased participation, slowly growing state budgets, and rising tournament attendance costs), it takes a Director with guts and vision to say "regional debate matters and I'm going to do what it takes to let it not just exist, but flourish." So MJS did what all directors - I hope - would do in similar circumstances: 1. Held a 6 round tournament 2. Provided quality judging 3. Provided basic amenities (coffee, breakfast goodies, etc.) and most importantly... 4. Charged ZERO entry fees. If you have never been to Laramie for the Wyomign Tournament, please consider joining us next year. At $83.01 per round ($1992/24 rounds), you simply can't beat it...and cheap southwest tickets get you to Denver...and it just a short drive from there. Thanks Matt, Crowe, Pinto, Ryan Cheek (weber's own!) for making the tournament possible. OG Omar G Guevara II Director of Forensics Department of Communication College of Arts & Humanities Weber State University Ogden, Utah 801.626.6220 (Office) 801.668.6910 (Cell) Oguevara at hotmail.com Oguevara at weber.edu PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/2a546a93/attachment.htm From kkuswa at richmond.edu Tue Sep 30 12:26:14 2008 From: kkuswa at richmond.edu (Kuswa, Kevin) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:26:14 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Richmond Tournament Oct 11-13 Message-ID: <3BD2E59AB8926F468357627C6C0EB84405A5652A@castor.richmond.edu> Hi all. We're approaching 60 teams at the Richmond tournament and we anticipate quite a few more. Register soon on debateresults if you plan on coming-you can find the full invitation there as well. We are requesting internet passwords this Friday and we cannot request passwords for folks not yet registered. We also have a list of back-up hotels if you cannot get in at the Best Western this late-email me for more information. We are looking forward to hosting as always, Kevin *********************************************************** Dr. Kevin Douglas Kuswa Director of Debate, Dept. of Rhetoric & Comm. Studies 400-A Weinstein Hall (U) University of Richmond, VA 23173 Spide(R)bate (804) 289-8269 debate.richmond.edu/ *********************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/2a84870d/attachment.htm From rickydeck at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 12:36:35 2008 From: rickydeck at gmail.com (Ricky Deck) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:35 -0400 Subject: [eDebate] Looking for a Swing Partner for Richmond Message-ID: <6ae7c1540809301036y4bb488b4ib8d36337f175dcf9@mail.gmail.com> Anyone interested? Ricky Drexel/Swarthmore Debate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/ff367d88/attachment.htm From Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu Tue Sep 30 12:40:49 2008 From: Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu (Gary Larson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:40:49 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Kentucky judging conflicts Message-ID: <48E21E51.3F5C.0033.0@wheaton.edu> If you have NOT entered your judging constraints on Bruschke's site, please send them to me ASAP. GARY From mharris02 at drury.edu Tue Sep 30 13:48:28 2008 From: mharris02 at drury.edu (Martin Harris) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:48:28 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] DC UDL Message-ID: <451372279EE24E4992ED27B99AC5577304A88263@EXVS1.drury.edu> Thank you all for contact info. Given the number of responses I received, I might be close to the only person in debate that didn't know the DCdebate info J. I have made the contact I needed now, thanks again, and no further info needed. Martin Harris Systems Engineer - Desktop Architecture Drury University-Technology Services Office: 417-873-7848 Fax: 417-873-7835 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/42360465/attachment.htm From debate at ou.edu Tue Sep 30 13:58:09 2008 From: debate at ou.edu (Massey, Jackie B.) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:58:09 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] WSU - Doubles are back... Message-ID: <650DB0CBB8E8E3418E627BD179329677EF6666250A@XMAIL2.sooner.net.ou.edu> Remember the day.... The day when every midwest tournament went to doubles? Well the "good ole days" may be returning. WSU went to doubles in open and it looks like Emporia will be doing the same. I wanted to thank Wichita for hosting a tournament that I think exploded on them size wise, and they did a great job accommodating. But what made the weekend so great was all of the new debaters in the region that have made debate really interesting, as well as competitive. I am not sure the great Jane Rinehart is still coaching anymore, but I want to say that she has done an amazing job of getting her debaters to college. Big UPS for KC Central Debate. This past weekend would have made her smile! See most of you at KCKCC. Peace Massey From brian95882 at msn.com Tue Sep 30 15:00:08 2008 From: brian95882 at msn.com (brian schrader) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:08 +0000 Subject: [eDebate] Wyo thanks Message-ID: Just wanted to echo Omar's thanks to Matt and the Wyo squad. As always, a great time was had by all and you can't beat those entry fees!! DU Debate _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/b9a7f6d1/attachment.htm From oguevara at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 15:36:43 2008 From: oguevara at hotmail.com (omar guevara) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:36:43 -0600 Subject: [eDebate] Lunch with John Zogby - Q & A Message-ID: Today I had the incredible opportunity to have lunch with John Zogby and a few of my colleagues from the University. Yeah, I know...little 'ole Weber got themselves a rock star! To say that I was blown away by this opportunity is understatement - John is a very down-to-earth human being, who despite all of his knowledge and status, was incredibly accessible and humble. I was not flowing...but here were some questions I asked him, and his (paraphrased) answers: 1. "What about the 'Bubba' effect hurting Obama in November?" Professor Zogby stated that, at most, racist attitudes towards the first African American running for the White House on a major party ticket will affect no more than 10-12% of whites voting. And most of that affect have already been factored in because, surprisingly (at least to me), respondents are willing to disclose comments such as "I will not vote for a Black man" to his pollsters (I thought that was shocking because I assumed people who held such shameful attitudes would be concerned about disclosing them). 2. "Will the Cactus Corridor (New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, and to a lesser degree Montana) play a decisive role in this presidential campaign? And if not, could it play a decisive role in the future?" Yes and Yes. In fact, Professor Zogby stated that if Senator McCain was not from Arizona - Arizona would function this year as the NEW Florida. The rising population of these states, combined with the increasing influence of the 'creative classes' disproportionally represented among the employed elite, virtually guarantees that these states are in play for the foreseeable future. Also, Hispanics vote Democratic by 2-1. (NB: The Hispanic question is a bit tricky - economics draw them to the democrats, but social issues...such as abortion and religion...sometimes give them pause). 3. "What is the most likely scenario for the development of a viable third party in American presidential campaigns - to the Left of the Democrats (Nader, Greens, Socialists), or to the Right of the Republicans (Libertarians, Constitution Party)?" Neither. The most likely scenario is the middle-of-the-road centrist party, such as Perot's Reform Party - but with someone at the helm who is more likeable...such as Mayor Bloomberg (in particular)...maybe a Jesse Ventura. (NB: I thought this answer was interesting because as both major parties move to the 'center' and increasing say the same thing - "I'm for the bailout! NO, I am for the bailout!" - that their respective flanks would be exposed...but Professor Zogby seemed pretty confident about his answer). 4. "What does Ralph want...and will it matter in November?" Ralph Nader will be able to pull some respectable single digit results in states like Michigan, but those same states are probably pretty securely for Obama. As for what he wants, Professor Zogby said that Ralph is incredible human being motivated by the purest of concerns. However, he worried about the damage being done to Ralph Nader's reputation from these repeated quixotic campaigns for the White House. But then again, Ralph is not the only one among us who believe in charging windmills :) My best to all, Omar Omar G Guevara II Director of Forensics Department of Communication College of Arts & Humanities Weber State University Ogden, Utah 801.626.6220 (Office) 801.668.6910 (Cell) Oguevara at hotmail.com Oguevara at weber.edu PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Miami (5) Missouri State (28) Gonzaga (4) Emory (14) George Mason (13) UC-Berkeley (10) Georgetown (1) Pittsburgh (1) Thanks, GARY From Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu Tue Sep 30 19:44:28 2008 From: Gary.N.Larson at wheaton.edu (Gary Larson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:44:28 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] prefs at kentucky In-Reply-To: <1345fd9a0809301739l73bac711g9542701875a79083@mail.gmail.com> References: <1345fd9a0809301739l73bac711g9542701875a79083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E2819C.3F5C.0033.0@wheaton.edu> Prefs will be due at 2:00 PM EDT Friday for Kentucky. >>> "Cassie Cornell" 9/30/2008 7:39 PM >>> Hi Gary, I am looking online and I can't find when prefs for the Henry Clay tournament are due. What's the deadline? Thanks very much! Cassie Cornell From scottelliott at grandecom.net Tue Sep 30 20:19:33 2008 From: scottelliott at grandecom.net (scottelliott at grandecom.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:19:33 -0500 Subject: [eDebate] Lunch with John Zogby - Q & A Message-ID: <1222823973.48e2d025a5dda@webmail.grandecom.net> Are these "reports" from a Zogby Q & A going to be used as cards in rounds to support another shitty Elections disad link story, or is this merely information to inform the community? My concern stems from previous attempts of people to post garbage gleaned from carefully worded questions on e-debate in an effot to gain some sense of "it was published" as an excuse to run bad evidence in debate rounds. I appreciate the information, but I really do wonder whether I need to call Mary Landrieu (Dem. Senator, La.) ask some quick questions on "the record," in order to beat back these "cards." Scott Elliott From i_pastrana at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 22:00:32 2008 From: i_pastrana at yahoo.com (Israel Pastrana) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [eDebate] Judging available for vegas Message-ID: <333875.93041.qm@web35304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Still have rounds you need covered at vegas?? Send me a note. ? Israel Pastrana i_pastrana at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/attachments/20080930/82a89aed/attachment.htm