[eDebate] my Richmond updated judge philosophy -- please read

[Asha Cherian]

I couldn't agree more with this post, JP -- I welcome a debate in
which a team defends why their arg is a K or performance and I would
happily vote for them on it.

You see now why teams really shouldn't strike me,.  They should treat
me like any other judge who asks a debater to make the round about me
and my limitations, any judge who limits argument diversity.

On 10/12/07, Jean-Paul Lacy <lacyjp at wfu.edu> wrote:

>

> The point of my somewhat incoherent post prior to the one responding to

> yours is:

>

> There is little difference between some Ks and some Policy arguments.

>

> I used Northwestern's "Constructive Disengagement" K/CP as an operative

> example.

>

> Would you be more willing to vote on Northwestern's argument if it were

> presented as a K or a CP?

>

> Your "Richmond Specific" philosophy seems you'd prefer K jargon....in

> reality, what is the difference?

>

> --JP

>

>

> At 04:04 AM 10/12/2007, Asha Cherian wrote:

> >Jean-Paul and Paul respond defensively -- that's exactly what I

> >believe defensive, exclusionary judge philosophies, like mine,

> >engender.

> >

> >If it's legit for one judge to vote only on traditional policy args,

> >it's legit for another judge to vote only on nontraditional args.  My

> >judge philosophy is the logical extension of many Richmond judges'

> >philosophies.

> >

> >By dialogue I mean clarity.  Within these respective roles, no one on

> >either side of this binary has a shot at real dialogue on the really

> >important questions, like the implications of polarized regional

> >debate (the 2 poles are those with a record of voting on all types of

> >arguments & and those without one).  And we can't get to the point of

> >talking about these effects without talking about the constructions we

> >create when we speak about positions in polarizing language, like

> >'most kritik debate is bad.'  We have to get nuanced in the way we

> >talk and think about positions.  For example the basis for judges

> >grouping performance and K debate seems illegit (those who say they

> >reject both).  If you don't vote on generic link Ks, it's a

> >contradiction to not vote on generic link disads.  If you don't vote

> >on link of omission performances, it's a contradiction to not vote on

> >link of omission Ts.  If this is you, your beef isn't with certain

> >types of positions, but with certain types of links.

> >

> >This is what I think right now.  And I have thought this for a while.

> >I wrote my Richmond-only philosophy to challenge my assumptions.

> >Other judges should seek out ways to challenge their own -- we need

> >creative solutions to these problems.  The medium I'm going to use is

> >the same one so many among us advocate in and out of round: role

> >playing.  Before I try to defend why this binary is bad, in my rounds

> >at Richmond I'm going to role-play why this binary is good.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Asha

> >

> >On 10/12/07, Jean-Paul Lacy <   lacyjp at wfu.edu   > wrote:

> > >

> > >  At 11:13 PM 10/11/2007, Asha Cherian wrote:

> > >

> > > To provoke something-approaching-dialogue, I'm posting this

> > here.  Please post or backchannel me.

> > >  Dialogue? Whatever.

> > >

> > >

> > >  You said this:

> > >

> > >

> > >  Unless the Richmond judging pool's institutionally accepted aversion

> > for critical debate changes (in the form of amended judge philosophies &/

> > or a productive listserv conversation), at Richmond my judge philosophy

> > is to vote on Ks and alternative forms of debate. And that's it. No, I

> > won't vote on any K/ performance argument; I'll vote on philosophically

> > sound, theoretically defensible, topically intriguing Ks and alt forms of

> > debate. And though I neither support this rule nor the implications of

> > having such rules mandated by tournament-governing debate associations,

> > fine, the Ks should have alternatives (ADA). If you want do some case

> > work, negs, okay. But if neither team goes for a K or performance arg

> > (even if K/ performance -friendly args were run), all 4 of the debaters

> > in the room can count on receiving their hi-lo lows from me. If neither

> > team acknowledges this judging philosophy, I'll flow the round

> > fastidiously, flip a coin to decide the winner, give everyone a 25 and

> > sign the ballot accordingly.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >On 10/12/07, Paul Strait <paulstrait at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >  Hi Kevin,

> > >

> > > Put me in the judging pool for Richmond, for all the rounds.  Also, my

> > > richmond-only judging philosophy is that I will give only zeros for speaker

> > > points and I will vote for the team that I think did the worst debating.

> > >

> > > Since I will not be preferred, I am just going to stay in Los Angeles.

> > > Please mail me my paycheck for judging at your convenience.  By the way, I

> > > am totally open to dialog about this, and I genuinely think freeloading

> > is a

> > > good way to change the corrupt system.  Also I am an asshole.

> > >

> > > (I'm seriously sad I can't make it to Richmond this year, its one of my

> > > favorite tournaments).

> > >

> > >

> > > L. Paul Strait

> > >

> > > ********************************

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> > > Email: strait at usc.edu

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> >--

> >Asha

>

>



-- 
Asha