[eDebate] Problems With The Game

[Andy Ellis]

that was supposed to be  a backchannel but there is the question....

On Nov 17, 2007 1:14 PM, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com> wrote:

> you seem to be willing tp answer the other questions, how do you

> increase meaningful black particiaption. If a multiverse of

> oppressions exists, it seems it in part exists so you dont have answer

> the question about the blatent anti-black orientation of the ststaus

> quo....to me it seems like you are replacing the central struggle with

> one that you are more comfortable with, without really providing an

> answer to the central question....attempts to not make it central mean

> its no longer urgen to fight for....

>

>

> On Nov 17, 2007 12:15 PM, J T <jtedebate at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Many of these  posts recently refer to participation while simultaneously

> > equating "minority" with "black"---and what about women?  Well two women did

> > win the NDT, so we're covered there--right? And why the hell didn't people

> > make a bigger deal about that? So when two African Americans win do we say:

> > "Next!  Next minority please..."

> >

> > While there is no denying the overwelming lack of participation among

> > "black" students, there are alot of other minorities, such as Latino/a,

> > Pacific Islander, "Asian" that are woefully underrepresented.  Although

> > these discussion are valuable, they are far from inclusive. This is not to

> > say we need token representatives [..."and from the Latino/a

> > delegation..."], or a race roll call, but perhaps a refocusing of the

> > discussion on the more broad-based notion of cultures...

> >

> > Before high school students get to college, how much attention is spent on

> > addressing socio-economic factors such as high school resources, external

> > interests?  How many schools actively recruit minority participation?  Do

> > students in UDLs know your school offers scholarships?  Also, social

> > location can play an important part in the perception of the student and is

> > something Directors should consider in making recruitment decisions.

> >

> > However, once these students start college debate, many perceive it to be

> > unwelcoming, or at least "not for them"...much of this is cultural--a

> > "culture of debate".  This is the area of minority participation that is

> > discussed on edebate.

> > Becoming a more welcoming community means expanding narrow parameters of

> > debate.  Believe me, I'm not one to go ga-ga over performance debate per se,

> > but there should be a way we can adapt our rigidity in terms of

> > argument--what is deemed acceptable can have a definitive impact on incoming

> > perceptions of college debate and the possibility of boosting minority

> > participation.

> >

> >

> >

> > "Massey, Jackie B." <debate at ou.edu> wrote:

> >  As I open two eyes at every tournament

> >

> > not rose colored glasses

> >

> > no hidden reason or misunderstood responsibility

> >

> > the activity is predominately white

> >

> > everyone says we are all good people

> >

> > my question about this game

> >

> > where are all the "black" people at?

> >

> > everything else between our mouths and the reality is only masking our

> > individual complicity in the "squo"

> >

> > maybe debate spoils us in thinking if we say the alternative it

> > happens........

> >

> >

> > massey

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> > JT

> >

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