[eDebate] Fwd: Falwell passes (quick post-script)

[Andy Ellis]

Thank you, I appreciate the forwarding of a backchannel,

But my apology is sincere, if my actions increased your suffering, or the
suffering of others who feel that Rev. Falwell was an important part of the
their life, then i apologize...of course there is probably very little i
could do to convince you of the sincerity of my apology, but say again, if
my words have genuinely contributed or increased your sorrow and suffering
then i apologize.


On 5/16/07, Alyse Kraus <alyse.kraus at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> And I'm actually going to forward this to the list because I think it's

> importantly to publicly answer your biggest arg which is "It shouldn't

> matter what I say".  Yesterday I saw the absolute worst side of the debate

> community on public display.  That is the thing that makes me most sad.

>

> AK

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: Alyse Kraus <alyse.kraus at gmail.com>

> Date: May 16, 2007 7:57 AM

> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Falwell passes (quick post-script)

> To: Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>

>

> I would like to think that if someone I disagreed with politically, but

> that I knew had done a number of good things for others, passed away that I

> would at least show the class, decency, and tact to keep my mouth shut and

> not exult in their death.  Especially not a few hours after their passing

> and especially not on a listserv that is read by many students of the school

> they founded.

>

> I like that you are still incapable of offering a true apology.  Rather

> than saying "I am sorry for having said things that are hurtful to others"

> you say "Why do you care what I think anyhow?" and try to shift the blame

> back to those you offended.

>

> You simply don't get it Andy.  Even if it's from someone who I generally

> think seeks opportunities to create division and conflict within our

> community whenever possible, it's still depressing to me to see that a few

> hours after his death was announced someone in the debate community had the

> gall to jump on a public listserv and celebrate the death of another human

> being.

>

> Regards,

>

> Alyse Kraus

> Catholic University

>

> On 5/16/07, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com > wrote:

> >

> > If you where not surprised that i was the one to make the jackass

> > comment,  then why is it hurtful to you, do you care what i think about

> > falwell on a day when he died? why?  Do you care that christopher hitchens

> > calls him a toad? why? if all you say is true about him then what exactly is

> > it that i am doing that is taking something away from you....but really, i

> > dont know your politics and wont make assumptions, but  if che gueverra(im

> > not calling falwell che as far direct dead bodies go, or whatever, more

> > making revolutionary comparison across political times and spectrums) had

> > seriously supported debate at say bard, but had also been instrumental in

> > the banning of religion and faith in this nation would you really only focus

> > on his debate work?

> >

> > On 5/15/07, Alyse Kraus < alyse.kraus at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > > I would also like to point out that, as a member of a community where

> > > we frequently hear about programs fading away, being cut, or having to fight

> > > for funds, so long as Dr. Falwell was around you would never see that

> > > scenario at Liberty. Also, as a coach at a school where the administration

> > > has functionally pulled the rug out from under us and ended what was once a

> > > successful and vibrant program, I can say that I would have been happy to

> > > have a Dr. Falwell as Chancellor or President.  Too often programs need to

> > > fight for institutional recognition or support. Dr. Falwell broke the mold

> > > and fought for debate using his substantial institutional power and

> > > resources.  Many administrators with whom you are probably much more

> > > politically compatible have never done half as much.  Remember that the next

> > > time you make some comment about schools struggling for funds or how debate

> > > excludes people.  Jerry Falwell loved and supported debate and helped build

> > > a program where ANYONE who wanted to could learn to debate, get great

> > > coaching, and travel to a large number of tournaments every year.  I can't

> > > help but wish there were more administrators like him - in that world

> > > Catholic, Alabama, and countless other schools might still have programs.

> > >

> > > Alyse Kraus

> > > Catholic University

> > >

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