[eDebate] Which topic?

[Brett Wallace]

stop being such a conformist
spelling things right is the herd mentality based on
traditional germanic language derived from judeo
christian morality that prevents us from releasing the
will to power. 

but fine i will, because I coner rule

--- cleary at ou.edu wrote:


> I'll agree to like you brett if you start spelling

> my name right

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Brett Wallace <bretagus at yahoo.com>

> Date: Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:23 pm

> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Which topic?

> 

> > yea, conner/gabe, clearly i still love you guys,

> just

> > wasnt as sure if you'd agree with  my assessment

> or

> > not which is why i didnt include you. 

> > As i predicted, conner disagreed

> > 

> > Glad you agree though gabe, and to apologize for

> not

> > including you ill just say - i love you worst

> > 

> > and jennings may be a junior but anybody who

> utilized

> > a mr coffee in such a genious manor deserves to be

> > bumped up to senior status. 

> > 

> > one more think about people who think that hamad

> > invalidates quirin advantages....there is this

> thing

> > that hopefully most people know about, its called

> the

> > uniquness counterplan.

> > it allows the neg to get rid of any aff's

> advantages

> > based off minor changes to hamad by overturning

> quirin

> > and ensure that affs have to be ready for the

> entirity

> > of the detention/geneva debate that the framers

> > originally intended. 

> > 

> > Once again ill say, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE

> > quirin/morrison/casey/millikin rez. and SPEAK out

> in

> > favor of it.

> > 

> > -b

> > 

> > 

> > --- gabe murillo <gabejmurillo at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > 

> > > I largely agree with Brett, 

> > > 

> > > the concern about the ability of

> > > "overrule...decision"

> > > to limit the topic makes the smaller lists a no

> risk

> > > option. if people are correct that judges will

> not

> > > naturally limit the topic, then we need a small

> base

> > > of cases to begin with. If others are correct

> and

> > > this

> > > topic will not get out of control, 4 cases still

> > > provides ample room for aff creativity,

> especially

> > > given the nature of the four cases on the second

> > > list

> > > of 4 cases (ex parte quirin casey milikin and

> > > morrison). I disagree that gratz and milikin

> provide

> > > the same educational benefit (these aff's are

> more

> > > complicated then just "racism bad"), but I think

> > > brett's conclusion is correct. let "policy

> teams"

> > > have

> > > quirin (I don't think any K teams would complain

> > > about

> > > debate against this aff), but make sure to

> protect

> > > against too large of a topic. 

> > > 

> > > I think conor's fear that ex parte quirin casey

> > > milikin and morrison do not provide a diverse

> amount

> > > of legal issues to debate is a little

> exaggerated,

> > > morrison is about more then just VAWA, milikin

> > > accesses a lot of interesting legal issues, and

> > > casey

> > > provides a wealth of diverse legal issues to

> debate.

> > > i

> > > don't think that this concern is a reason to

> risk a

> > > larger topic. 

> > > 

> > > I do think it is sad that there isn't a smaller

> > > topic

> > > with the death penalty aff. I think this is an

> > > incredably important issue. but I don't think it

> > > justifies a) excluding quirin or b) a list with

> 8

> > > cases.  

> > > 

> > > and as far as education goes, I stick with my

> claim

> > > from my previous post that the most educational

> > > thing

> > > to do is to allow aff diversity to stem from aff

> > > advantage creativity. especially given the

> > > complexity

> > > of the cases, and the general lack of knowledge

> > > about

> > > how the supreme court works. give people 4 cases

> and

> > > let them figure out how to produce an

> affirmative

> > > they

> > > can latch on to. ex parte quirin casey milikin

> and

> > > morrison provide plenty of room for teams to be

> > > creative. and the research skills and critical

> > > thinking that is necessary for this creatitivity

> is

> > > one of the greatest avenues for education. 

> > > 

> > > I think its important to include quirin. after

> years

> > > of talking about exclusion I think it would be

> short

> > > sighted for people to try to exclude traditional

> > > impact teams from having access to an aff they

> > > enjoy.

> > > weighing that concern against concerns about the

> > > size

> > > of the topic makes ex parte quirin casey milikin

> and

> > > morrison the best list of cases. 

> > >  

> > > another excluded senior :) getting his "voice

> out"

> > > 

> > > gabe murillo

> > > wayne state  

> > > 

> > > 

> > > 

> > >

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