[eDebate] Which topic?

[cleary at ou.edu]

I'll agree to like you brett if you start spelling my name right

----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Wallace <bretagus at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, July 1, 2006 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [eDebate] Which topic?


> yea, conner/gabe, clearly i still love you guys, just

> wasnt as sure if you'd agree with  my assessment or

> not which is why i didnt include you. 

> As i predicted, conner disagreed

> 

> Glad you agree though gabe, and to apologize for not

> including you ill just say - i love you worst

> 

> and jennings may be a junior but anybody who utilized

> a mr coffee in such a genious manor deserves to be

> bumped up to senior status. 

> 

> one more think about people who think that hamad

> invalidates quirin advantages....there is this thing

> that hopefully most people know about, its called the

> uniquness counterplan.

> it allows the neg to get rid of any aff's advantages

> based off minor changes to hamad by overturning quirin

> and ensure that affs have to be ready for the entirity

> of the detention/geneva debate that the framers

> originally intended. 

> 

> Once again ill say, PLEASE VOTE FOR THE

> quirin/morrison/casey/millikin rez. and SPEAK out in

> favor of it.

> 

> -b

> 

> 

> --- gabe murillo <gabejmurillo at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> > I largely agree with Brett, 

> > 

> > the concern about the ability of

> > "overrule...decision"

> > to limit the topic makes the smaller lists a no risk

> > option. if people are correct that judges will not

> > naturally limit the topic, then we need a small base

> > of cases to begin with. If others are correct and

> > this

> > topic will not get out of control, 4 cases still

> > provides ample room for aff creativity, especially

> > given the nature of the four cases on the second

> > list

> > of 4 cases (ex parte quirin casey milikin and

> > morrison). I disagree that gratz and milikin provide

> > the same educational benefit (these aff's are more

> > complicated then just "racism bad"), but I think

> > brett's conclusion is correct. let "policy teams"

> > have

> > quirin (I don't think any K teams would complain

> > about

> > debate against this aff), but make sure to protect

> > against too large of a topic. 

> > 

> > I think conor's fear that ex parte quirin casey

> > milikin and morrison do not provide a diverse amount

> > of legal issues to debate is a little exaggerated,

> > morrison is about more then just VAWA, milikin

> > accesses a lot of interesting legal issues, and

> > casey

> > provides a wealth of diverse legal issues to debate.

> > i

> > don't think that this concern is a reason to risk a

> > larger topic. 

> > 

> > I do think it is sad that there isn't a smaller

> > topic

> > with the death penalty aff. I think this is an

> > incredably important issue. but I don't think it

> > justifies a) excluding quirin or b) a list with 8

> > cases.  

> > 

> > and as far as education goes, I stick with my claim

> > from my previous post that the most educational

> > thing

> > to do is to allow aff diversity to stem from aff

> > advantage creativity. especially given the

> > complexity

> > of the cases, and the general lack of knowledge

> > about

> > how the supreme court works. give people 4 cases and

> > let them figure out how to produce an affirmative

> > they

> > can latch on to. ex parte quirin casey milikin and

> > morrison provide plenty of room for teams to be

> > creative. and the research skills and critical

> > thinking that is necessary for this creatitivity is

> > one of the greatest avenues for education. 

> > 

> > I think its important to include quirin. after years

> > of talking about exclusion I think it would be short

> > sighted for people to try to exclude traditional

> > impact teams from having access to an aff they

> > enjoy.

> > weighing that concern against concerns about the

> > size

> > of the topic makes ex parte quirin casey milikin and

> > morrison the best list of cases. 

> >  

> > another excluded senior :) getting his "voice out"

> > 

> > gabe murillo

> > wayne state  

> > 

> > 

> > 

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